Negative Scientists Fear Aliens and Want us to evacuate Earth

[Aureus]

Annoying double clicks.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Apparently there is difference of opinion, so they don't really know. I googled this..

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Bishop James Usher also calculated 1012 B.C. for the construction of the Temple in "Annals of the
World" (1650)
1012 B.C. + 480 years x 360/365 = 1486 B.C. date of Exodus"

http://www.biblehistory.net/Exodus_Date.pdf

Oh, that would not work at all. That was Pharaoh Thutmose II or Hatshepsut (the times of their reigns are disputed). The former had 1 son, that grew up to later to rule for 30 years, and the latter was a woman, which the bible would have most likely referred to by female pronouns rather than male ones. If the plagues had hit during either reign, the massive expansion of the Egyptian Empire underseen by Thutmose III would not have occurred, because he was the first born of the royal line and he would have thus died thanks to the final plague.

 

[BobRyan]

The logical conclusion of godless philosophy and 'science' is to look to man to save man, and think of man as insignificant beasts.

One example is the prominent physicist Steven Hawkings.
In the past he has talked of aliens and leaving earth.

"
Stephen Hawking posited that an alien visitation would put Earthlings in the same position as Native Americans when Columbus landed on their shores.

“Such advanced aliens would perhaps become nomads, looking to conquer and colonize whatever planets they can reach,”

Hawking speculated."
http://news.discovery.com/space/ali...hawking-right-about-hostile-aliens-151012.htm

"If humanity is to survive long-term, it must find a way to get off planet Earth -- and fast, according to famed astrophysicist Stephen Hawking."
http://www.space.com/8924-stephen-h...arth.html?li_source=LI&li_medium=most-popular

Tis sort of insane fearmongering is expected when men leave God out of their knowledge.
The reality of the situation is that we can safely trust in Jesus to bring peace on a beautiful restored new earth.

Given the way that various warring factions displaced entire people groups on earth - as invasion after invasion was taking place - Hawkings is drawing a reasonable conclusion based on his "no-god-but-man" world view.

And your point that our Creator God - who made the world in 6 days and all life on it - is in control and owns the responsibility for preserving intelligent life on earth that HE created - is valid and is the alternative to faith in evolutionism.

Assuming reason can reside within that insane little view.

And Bob's your uncle.

your point??

 

[BobRyan]

Evacuate the planet is exactly what you hope and believe ...that is the teaching of the pre-tribulation rapture doctrine.

Think about it !

The Christian doctrine on earth in the Bible is that the wicked are destroyed off the face of the earth and God creates a New Earth right here - where the New Jerusalem will reside. Read Rev 20-21.

The Christian doctrine is that at the 2nd coming God kills all the wicked (Rev 19) and takes all the saint (both living and dead) to heaven - see 1 Thess 4.

There is no coming alien army - because God Himself made this Earth - and He himself is the Father of Adam and Eve - He owns the place from the very start.

The New Heaven and the New Earth and the New Jesrusalem coming down from Heaven to Earth will happen after the Millennium Revelation 21.

That is true -

There is no taking up of the Saints to Heaven mentionned in 1 Thess 4.
1 Thess 4 talk about the RESURRECTION of dead believers AND the catching up together with them of the believers still alive and remain to meet Jesus in the air

1 Thess 4 - is the resurrection and rapture - where as Christ promised in John 14:1-3 - Christ comes to take the saints to heaven.

1 Thess 4
13 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.

1. "Precede" where? --> precede to heaven
2. "The coming of the Lord". as foretold by Christ in John 14. "I will come again and receive you to Myself that WHERE I am THERE you may be also" --> in My Father's house - many dwelling places - I go there to prepare a place for you.



1 Thess 4
16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

while Jesus destroy the wicked assembled at Armageddon -Revelation 19 .

True - that is at the same second coming event as described in John 14 and 1Thess 4 and Matt 24. It is the event that begins the 1000 year countdown.

Revelation 12 and Revelation 13 tell us that Satan and his fallen angels will be cast out of Heaven to the Earth

That already happened - Rev 12 talks about the birth of Christ - his ascension into heaven and then 1260 years of the dark ages - persecution of the saints.

Rev 12
Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars. 2 Then being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth.

The Jewish nation church - gives birth to Christ -

John 4 Christ said "Salvation is of the Jews".

Rev 12
3 And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great, fiery red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads. 4 His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born.

Satan tried to kill Christ through the agency of Rome - in Bethlehem as His birth. And failed.


Rev 12
5 She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and His throne.

Christ is now risen - and is now seated at the right hand of God - -Heb 8:1-6.



Rev 12
6 Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and sixty days.


The saints were persecuted during the dark ages for 1260 years. Just as in the 490 year "70 weeks" of Daniel 9 - they use day-for-a-year timelines in apocalyptic writing.


Rev 12
Satan Thrown Out of Heaven
7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”


Christ defeated Satan on the cross.

Christ said "I saw Satan fall like lightning"

In Job 1 and in Job 2 - Satan was permitted access to the heavenly council - but that is no longer allowed after the cross. Satan is confined to this world after the cross "AND" -- "he knows that he has but a short time"

Rev 12
The Woman Persecuted
13 Now when the dragon saw that he had been cast to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male Child. 14 But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent. 15 So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood. 16 But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the flood which the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. 17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the Commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev 19:10
10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy.

 

[joshua 1 9]

So once again you are talking ABOUT evidence, not actually presenting it.

I have presented it over and over again. The same pratts keep coming up again and again. Can't you sing an new song rather then the same old tired lies from skeptics dot com? If you did your research and homework then you would not need to ask me to do it for you. The problem is if people do not take a stand for the truth then these tired old myths will permeate public belief. Like the flat earth myth. No one ever believed the earth was flat. Yet skeptics dot com due to their lack of integrity continues to push them same tired old myths that have been repeated shown to be wrong again and again.

 

[joshua 1 9]

The New Heaven and the New Earth and the New Jesrusalem coming down from Heaven to Earth will happen after the Millennium Revelation 21.

The new Jerusalem will take up the whole Arab Continental Plate. It will be 1500 by 1500 miles by 1500 miles. They will own their air space and all the mineral rights.

 

[joshua 1 9]

20-21.The Christian doctrine is that at the 2nd coming God kills all the wicked (Rev 19) and takes all the saint (both living and dead) to heaven - see 1 Thess 4.

He allows them to kill themselves. The church will not be here so there will be no restraining force here in this world. No one or nothing to correct their error. The Age of Grace will have come to an end.

 

[dad]

Oh, that would not work at all. That was Pharaoh Thutmose II or Hatshepsut (the times of their reigns are disputed). The former had 1 son, that grew up to later to rule for 30 years, and the latter was a woman, which the bible would have most likely referred to by female pronouns rather than male ones. If the plagues had hit during either reign, the massive expansion of the Egyptian Empire underseen by Thutmose III would not have occurred, because he was the first born of the royal line and he would have thus died thanks to the final plague.

Well, I guess we could fine tune this a bit, and try to zero in on the precise time. Let's check your research here. You claim that a Pharaoh was a first born.....so let's see some verification..?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Well, I guess we could fine tune this a bit, and try to zero in on the precise time. Let's check your research here. You claim that a Pharaoh was a first born.....so let's see some verification..?

he was also an only child. Thutmose II died young, and his primary wife, Hatshepsut, ruled without remarrying until her death. Then, his son took over. His son is from what is referred to as a "lesser wife", and no other children are documented for this person.

 

[dad]

he was also an only child.

Verify this.

Thutmose II died young, and his primary wife, Hatshepsut, ruled without remarrying until her death. Then, his son took over. His son is from what is referred to as a "lesser wife", and no other children are documented for this person.

Being young in and of itself does not mean one could not have been Pharoah and had kids. Now if the wicked Exodus Pharaoh had a younger son that never died, and who cares from what wife....how would that rule them out?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Verify this.

Being young in and of itself does not mean one could not have been Pharoah and had kids. Now if the wicked Exodus Pharaoh had a younger son that never died, and who cares from what wife....how would that rule them out?

Because his first and only son ruled after his primary wife died, and expanded the Empire. Even if we were to assume he had more than one child, and the first died from the plagues, Egypt would have been in no shape to expand both under his wife's rule and his son's right afterwards. And that is exactly what happened.

 

[dad]

Because his first and only son ruled after his primary wife died, and expanded the Empire.

So what? Just because they lost chariots and a lot of men in the Red sea does not mean there was no more Egypt. The Pharaoh lived on after this also, no? So who cares if this was the one, that his son ruled on??

Even if we were to assume he had more than one child, and the first died from the plagues, Egypt would have been in no shape to expand both under his wife's rule and his son's right afterwards. And that is exactly what happened.

That alone doesn't cut it. If the US lost some ships and planes in the mideast somewhere one week, does that mean that in a few years they might not take over some country in a war there?

 

[Aureus]

So what? Just because they lost chariots and a lot of men in the Red sea does not mean there was no more Egypt. The Pharaoh lived on after this also, no? So who cares if this was the one, that his son ruled on??


That alone doesn't cut it. If the US lost some ships and planes in the mideast somewhere one week, does that mean that in a few years they might not take over some country in a war there?

Maybe you should check on the plagues. Like that whole wiping out the entirety of Egyptian Livestock. That single plague would have wiped out the civilization.

 

[dad]

Maybe you should check on the plagues. Like that whole wiping out the entirety of Egyptian Livestock. That single plague would have wiped out the civilization.

Nice try. Having sick cows does not need to do that.

Ex 9:3 - Behold, the hand of the LORD is upon thy cattle which is in the field, upon the horses, upon the asses, upon the camels, upon the oxen, and upon the sheep: there shall be a very grievous murrain.

That may affect exports and etc...but there is proof you are wrong. The chariots LATER chasing the slaves were pulled by horses, so the plague did not kill em. Bing and a bam and a boom.

 

[Riberra]

1 Thess 4 - is the resurrection and rapture - where as Christ promised in John 14:1-3 - Christ comes to take the saints to heaven.

1 Thess 4
13 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope.

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.

15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain UNTO the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.

1. "Precede" where? --> precede to heaven
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Not at all ....The text mean to say
Will not precede them who are dead/sleep in Jesus to receive their immortal body... Actually the SOULS of those who have died in Jesus are in Heaven.This is the SOULS of those who have died /sleep in Christ who are actually in Heaven that Jesus will bring with Him when Jesus will come down from Heaven 1 Thess 4:14...

-Will not precede them who are dead/sleep in Jesus to receive their immortal body...-

Here it is explained by Paul in 1 Corinthians 15 .
1 Corinthians 15
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; WE shall not all sleep, but WE shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the DEAD shall be raised incorruptible, AND we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

2. "The coming of the Lord". as foretold by Christ in John 14. "I will come again and receive you to Myself that WHERE I am THERE you may be also" --> in My Father's house - many dwelling places - I go there to prepare a place for you.

At that moment -The coming of the Lord - ,Jesus will come down from Heaven to establish His Kingdom on the Earth and Jesus will receive us to Himself (this is the meeting with Jesus in the air).,Jesus will not return to Heaven.We will live forever with Jesus here on the EARTH.After the Millennium Jesus will give His Earthy Kingdom to His Father
1 Corinthians 15:20-27
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must REIGN, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. >>Revelation 20:6-15

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. >>Revelation 20:14

27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. >>Revelation 21, Revelation 22

 

[PsychoSarah]

So what? Just because they lost chariots and a lot of men in the Red sea does not mean there was no more Egypt. The Pharaoh lived on after this also, no? So who cares if this was the one, that his son ruled on??

Actually, in the bible, the Pharaoh dies in chasing after the Hebrews thanks to the waters of the Red Sea moving back into place.

That alone doesn't cut it. If the US lost some ships and planes in the mideast somewhere one week, does that mean that in a few years they might not take over some country in a war there?

You must understand, every first born son died on that day, including the adults. Even assuming every family had 5 surviving children with at least 2 males, that would have decimated the fighting force. And don't forget the absolute destruction of the many chariots and soldiers thanks to the Red Sea. Egypt would not have recovered very fast from that.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Nice try. Having sick cows does not need to do that.

Ex 9:3 - Behold, the hand of the LORD is upon thy cattle which is in the field, upon the horses, upon the asses, upon the camels, upon the oxen, and upon the sheep: there shall be a very grievous murrain.

That may affect exports and etc...but there is proof you are wrong. The chariots LATER chasing the slaves were pulled by horses, so the plague did not kill em. Bing and a bam and a boom.

So, pulled by sick horses? Horse immune systems are actually garbage compared to ours, so I find that unlikely. Why not have people pulling them?

 

[Aureus]

Nice try. Having sick cows does not need to do that.

Ex 9:3 - Behold, the hand of the LORD is upon thy cattle which is in the field, upon the horses, upon the asses, upon the camels, upon the oxen, and upon the sheep: there shall be a very grievous murrain.

That may affect exports and etc...but there is proof you are wrong. The chariots LATER chasing the slaves were pulled by horses, so the plague did not kill em. Bing and a bam and a boom.

Oh sick cows, and horses, and asses, and camels, and ox... riighhhttt... only sick so God didn't actually kill them? Like you know.. with a plague? "effect exports"? What are you talking about, a modern nation? This is 2,000+ BC Egypt right? Exports? More like local food supply. Unless god just gave all those livestock a cold you're talking the end of the civilization. But thank you kindly for showing how the Exodus story can't keep itself consistent. There shouldn't be those chariots later, I contemplated pointing that out but meh, why bother, you'd ignore it anyway like you always do. I'll just tack another "Dad got defeated" and move on.

 

[dad]

Actually, in the bible, the Pharaoh dies in chasing after the Hebrews thanks to the waters of the Red Sea moving back into place.

No. Actually,

"We are not told that Israel saw Pharaoh's body dead on the shore. In these three summary excerpts it is clear that only Pharaoh's horsemen and charioteers followed the Israelites into the sea. This cannot be construed to say that Pharaoh himself went in, or even that all Pharaoh's soldiers went in. It is highly probable that only the fastest moving units, those utilizing horses, were sent, while those on foot stayed with Pharaoh."

http://www.bibleistrue.com/qna/qna76.htm

You must understand, every first born son died on that day, including the adults. Even assuming every family had 5 surviving children with at least 2 males, that would have decimated the fighting force.

Again you are wrong!
You just pointed out that the fighting force followed them into the sea! Not as decimated as you thought!

And don't forget the absolute destruction of the many chariots and soldiers thanks to the Red Sea.

The force involved there was replaced as would happen in any military loss.

 

[dad]

Oh sick cows, and horses, and asses, and camels, and ox... riighhhttt... only sick so God didn't actually kill them? Like you know.. with a plague? "effect exports"? What are you talking about, a modern nation? This is 2,000+ BC Egypt right? Exports? More like local food supply. Unless god just gave all those livestock a cold you're talking the end of the civilization. But thank you kindly for showing how the Exodus story can't keep itself consistent. There shouldn't be those chariots later, I contemplated pointing that out but meh, why bother, you'd ignore it anyway like you always do. I'll just tack another "Dad got defeated" and move on.

Obviously some died, and obviously not all. You were wrong. Defeated.