Negative Scientists Fear Aliens and Want us to evacuate Earth

[TLK Valentine]

The problem is that God wants us to have real faith.

Did God want the Egyptians to have real faith?

People who played church for some years and later decided to get real did not necessarily have faith in a real Jesus. If they did, He knows and is working on them...here, and I guess in the next life. Love is real, not a game.

Tell that to Pharaoh -- God deluded him unto death...

 

[PsychoSarah]

The problem is that God wants us to have real faith. People who played church for some years and later decided to get real did not necessarily have faith in a real Jesus. If they did, He knows and is working on them...here, and I guess in the next life. Love is real, not a game.

No True Scottsman fallacy. You have no way of demonstrating that the faith of former Christians that are now atheists was ever different from your own in terms of strength. Personally, I have found that there is a correlation between how extremely religious a person is and how extreme they will be if they lose faith or change to a different one, but that hardly suggests that their faith was never strong.

No one views this discussion as a game.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Yes. The so called planets around stars out there will not exist soon anymore. They are all going bye bye. Why would God create life there? I would think that this is a deception and belief based look at the universe from science and their philosophy and world outlook which goes something like this 'there is no God, no creation, no intelligent order and design, and we are a meaningless little speck in the universe'

The reality is that we were here before the stars and sun, and that God Almighty is moving here to this earth that will be remade forever.

-_- why put life here if earth is going bye bye too? Any argument you presented for life not being put on other planets could be used against putting it on earth.

Also, life on other planets would justify the scale of the universe far more than having all life concentrated on earth.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Seek and you wil find. You must seek for those things though. Don't expect to hear Gods voice praise or rebuke you. Look in the heart, that's where he speaks. This isnt a pretty way of talking about faith. Its actually a journey into our soul, its often not pretty at all.

I have been at the bottom, waiting for God and nothing happens. I also have seen it happen. I have seen Gods love, i know its real. I refer to seeing it because feelings come and go, but this leaves a lasting impression. You see it through experiencing it. Its an experience, not an emotion.

Gods strength is found in our weakness. Faith takes us through many different situations. This is to prove faith. Its not the watered down gospel we may hear about and follow, but its the real deal. Its not for half hearted seekers, but is reserved for the pure heart. Only serious seekers need apply. That's the purpose of faith, to purify our heart. In the end faith proves itself, if you are willing to experience growing pains.

Seek and ye shall find only counts for things that exist. Just nitpicking there. Also, I have been seeking faith for over 7 years, and your empty promise of my eventual success means nothing to me. I have heard it dozens of times.

The remainder of your post is pure emotional goop. It's like a hallmark card, but more pretentious.

 

[Extraneous]

Seek and ye shall find only counts for things that exist. Just nitpicking there. Also, I have been seeking faith for over 7 years, and your empty promise of my eventual success means nothing to me. I have heard it dozens of times.

The remainder of your post is pure emotional goop. It's like a hallmark card, but more pretentious.

Thank you.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Thank you.

Ok... Unusual reaction, but better than being insulted.

 

[Extraneous]

Ok... Unusual reaction, but better than being insulted.

Yes, i agree.

 

[dad]

I kinda doubt it. Context, dad. God didn't "lower the boom" on Pharaoh in the sense that he immediately put a stop to Pharaoh's evil, he prevented Pharaoh from letting them go. Even if Pharaoh had hardened his own heart, God had no business ensuring that it kept happening. That didn't help anyone. Not the slaves, not the egyptians, not Pharaoh. :/

He lost his firstborn son. His country was heavily damaged. In fact I suspect that Pharoah may have been stricken from the record. They are not even sure today who it was! Bing and a bam and a boom.

 

[dad]

So God doesn't forgive all His children... a select few get forgiveness "seventy times seven" times... but it's one strike and we're out for the rest of us.

Dome chose to be the Devil's own. They are not His sheep.

 

[PsychoSarah]

He lost his firstborn son. His country was heavily damaged. In fact I suspect that Pharoah may have been stricken from the record. They are not even sure today who it was! Bing and a bam and a boom.

You do realize more than Egyptians and Hebrews were in Egypt, right? Even if the records of that Pharaoh were lost, other people besides the Hebrews would have taken notice.

Additionally, the plagues would have ended that empire if they actually occurred.

 

[dad]

Did God want the Egyptians to have real faith?



Tell that to Pharaoh -- God deluded him unto death...

Pharoah chose. Egypt also had choices. How about the folks enforcing the ridiculous torture and unbearable burdens on God's people there? They had choices.

 

[dad]

You do realize more than Egyptians and Hebrews were in Egypt, right? Even if the records of that Pharaoh were lost, other people besides the Hebrews would have taken notice.

Additionally, the plagues would have ended that empire if they actually occurred.

Show me any record from anyone at that time!?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Pharoah chose. Egypt also had choices. How about the folks enforcing the ridiculous torture and unbearable burdens on God's people there? They had choices.

-_- do you honestly think that the Hebrews as described in the bible had it bad when they were Egyptian slaves? To be blunt, the fact that they could question the Pharaoh to his face without being executed is as historically inaccurate as it is odd for a people claimed to be severely oppressed.

 

[dad]

-_- why put life here if earth is going bye bye too? Any argument you presented for life not being put on other planets could be used against putting it on earth.

Also, life on other planets would justify the scale of the universe far more than having all life concentrated on earth.

Nope! The earth is forever. It will be made new. The stars will fall baby fall. Pass away. Roll up. Poof.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Show me any record from anyone at that time!?

Tell me the time these events take place.

 

[The Cadet]

He lost his firstborn son. His country was heavily damaged. In fact I suspect that Pharoah may have been stricken from the record. They are not even sure today who it was! Bing and a bam and a boom.

And there was no way for this to happen that didn't involve ensuring that the Israelites were kept enslaved for longer?

 

[Riberra]

The problem is that God wants us to have real faith. People who played church for some years and later decided to get real did not necessarily have faith in a real Jesus. If they did, He knows and is working on them...here, and I guess in the next life. Love is real, not a game.

What people like to hear -from their pastors-in the churches of today is that they will not be there during the tribulation, that is where they have put all their faith.

The ultimate faith test will be:
Revelation 14

And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them

 

[TLK Valentine]

Pharoah chose.

Pharaoh got his heart hardened by God -- he never stood a chance.

Egypt also had choices.

God hoodwinked them, too -- raised the Hebrews in such high esteem that the people felt compelled to just give them all their stuff...


...all those who believe that version of events, stand on your head.

How about the folks enforcing the ridiculous torture and unbearable burdens on God's people there? They had choices.

I thought everyone was God's people?

 

[Riberra]

I thought everyone was God's people?

Hardly possible without believing in God .
The Egyptians believed in Rah and other deities .
Those who actually believe in Jesus are God's people.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Hardly possible without believing in God .
The Egyptians believed in Rah and other deities .
Those who actually believe in Jesus are God's people.

So we have those God saves vs. Those God kills. Charming.