I Obey, Therefore I Am Loved and Accepted.

[Thursday]

That's right, Grace does. So why do preach dead works of the flesh?

Cooperating with God's grace is not a work of the flesh. Ignoring the guidance of God's grace is, however.

Gal 6
8Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. 9Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.

 

[Steeno7]

Belief is not enough. Even the demons believe.

Also, Paul tells us that our faith can be destroyed through sin:

1 Tim 1:19
holding on to faith and a good conscience, which some have rejected and thereby shipwrecked their faith.

Demons believe that God is One, they do not believe in Jesus Christ for salvation. Nor have they been given that option.

Shipwrecked is not destroyed.

 

[Thursday]

Demons believe that God is One, they do not believe in Jesus Christ for salvation. Nor have they been given that option.

Shipwrecked is not destroyed.

Shipwrecked is destroyed. Paul is saying that sin can destroy our faith.

Here's another:

Romans 11:22
Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

The grace of God is that the gospel is what each person can have. Grace is that the opportunity for salvation is there BECAUSE of what CHRIST did. Grace is that He offers us this gift and we can do nothing to deserve it, NOR can we achieve it on our own.

Grace stands alone but is what we understand about salvation is that there is ONLY ONE way to reconcile us back to God.

So it is by His grace that we are able to obtain salvation.

No. God has mercy upon a person when they accept the gospel.
So God's grace or mercy is a present and active thing within the gospel message.

Also, Vengeance is upon them that:

(a) Know not God.
(b) Obey not the gospel
(Which is in context of being counted worthy of his calling by fulfilling all of the good pleasure of his goodness).​

8 "In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
11 Therefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfill all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power:"
(2 Thessalonians 1:8-11).

Also, the passage above here says the gospel has to be obeyed and not just believed, too.


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[Steeno7]

Cooperating with God's grace is not a work of the flesh. Ignoring the guidance of God's grace is, however.

Gal 6
8Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. 9Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.

The righteous are those who live by faith in Jesus Christ.

Christians are those who sow to please the Spirit, we are the only ones who can. And salvation is a free gift, not a reward.

 

[Steeno7]

Shipwrecked is destroyed. Paul is saying that sin can destroy our faith.

Here's another:

Romans 11:22
Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.

Christians are those who continue in His kindness. We are the only ones who can.

 

[Thursday]

The righteous are those who live by faith in Jesus Christ.

Christians are those who sow to please the Spirit, we are the only ones who can. And salvation is a free gift, not a reward.

Grace is a gift. Salvation is for those who cooperate with God's grace until the end.

Gal 6
8Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. 9Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.

Phil 3
10I want to know Christ—yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, 11and so, somehow, attaining to the resurrection from the dead.

12Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already arrived at my goal, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. 13Brothers and sisters, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, 14I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Demons believe that God is One, they do not believe in Jesus Christ for salvation. Nor have they been given that option.

Shipwrecked is not destroyed.

Many people get this wrong, so I'm glad that you spoke about this.

Many people think that demons are offered salvation, but they are NOT.

Salvation is specific to mankind. Demons have already been judged, they do not have options.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

That does not change grace.

Grace is what it is. Something we could never earn or get on our own.

Salvation is what we choose to accept. Grace and the gift stands on it's own.

No, the gospel and God's grace work in harmony with each other.

"Even as it is meet for me to think this of you all, because I have you in my heart; inasmuch as both in my bonds, and in the defence and confirmation of the gospel, ye all are partakers of my grace."
(Philippians 1:7).


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[Bible Highlighter]

Many people get this wrong, so I'm glad that you spoke about this.

Many people think that demons are offered salvation, but they are NOT.

Salvation is specific to mankind. Demons have already been judged, they do not have options.

That's the point James is making. He is saying that to have a belief alone type of a faith is no faith at all because the demons also believe (i.e. they have a belief only type faith) and tremble.


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[ToBeLoved]

No. God has mercy upon a person when they accept the gospel.
So God's grace or mercy is a present and active thing within the gospel message.

Also, Vengeance is upon them that:

(a) Know not God.
(b) Obey not the gospel
(Which is in context of being counted worthy of his calling by fulfilling all of the good pleasure of his goodness).​

8 "In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
11 Therefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfill all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power:"
(2 Thessalonians 1:8-11).

Also, the passage above here says the gospel has to be obeyed and not just believed, too.


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If you are trying to refute what I say. Stay on one topic.

That is what you do. You say one sentence and then put some other topic in there.

God has mercy on us in that we have the gospel to save us. The mercy and grace is in that we are able to have salvation and obtain.

Whatever your point is about vengence, you should not mix that with grace and mercy. Total opposite topics. Why anyone seeking truth would mix these topics is beyond me.

 

[ToBeLoved]

No, the gospel and God's grace work in harmony with each other.

"Even as it is meet for me to think this of you all, because I have you in my heart; inasmuch as both in my bonds, and in the defence and confirmation of the gospel, ye all are partakers of my grace."
(Philippians 1:7).


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No. Grace is grace.

Salvation is salvation.

The gospel is the gospel.

When one understands each of them on their own, then one can comprehend how they fit together.

They do work in harmony, but each has it's own purpose.

Just because you list a verse having more than one word, does not mean you understand what each word means in itself.

 

[ToBeLoved]

That's the point James is making. He is saying that to have a belief alone type of a faith is no faith at all because the demons also believe (i.e. they have a belief only type faith) and tremble.


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Demons do not have faith.

Faith is belief in somethng that one cannot see or prove.

Demons know God is real because demons were once in heaven with God. Demons do not have faith, because they have seen and experienced God and His glory.

That is not faith.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

If you are trying to refute what I say. Stay on one topic.

That is what you do. You say one sentence and then put some other topic in there.

God has mercy on us in that we have the gospel to save us. The mercy and grace is in that we are able to have salvation and obtain.

Whatever your point is about vengence, you should not mix that with grace and mercy. Total opposite topics. Why anyone seeking truth would mix these topics is beyond me.

That's like looking at one side of a car (that is in good condition) and ignoring the other side of it (that is smashed up from an accident). You cannot look at the Bible and look at only those verses that suggest "happy times" for you. The Bible has to be read as a whole looking at both the good and the bad.

When talking about the gospel: Vengeance is what takes place when one does not obey the gospel.
It would be helpful to know what obeying not the gospel means so as to assure that one is not falling into error concerning it.


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[Bible Highlighter]

No. Grace is grace.

Can a grown adult have grace and not salvation and not the gospel?
No. Of course not.
They all work in harmony together.

Salvation is salvation.

Can a grown adult have salvation and not the gospel and not grace?
No. Of course not.
They all work in harmony together.

The gospel is the gospel.

Can a grown adult have the gospel and yet not have salvation and no grace?
No. Of course not.
They all work in harmony together.

When one understands each of them on their own, then one can comprehend how they fit together.

But they do not work on their own. For you yourself just said they fit together. In other words, they work in harmony with each other. They are not separate.

They do work in harmony, but each has it's own purpose.

No. They all work in harmony together and the purpose for each of them is rolled together with the others. They are not separate (As you trying to make them out to be so as to defend a wrong belief).

Just because you list a verse having more than one word, does not mean you understand what each word means in itself.

Please explain to me what you think the verse says then.


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[Bible Highlighter]

Demons do not have faith.

And that's the point James is making.
He is saying to have a belief alone is like not having any kind of faith at all.
It would be like that of the belief of demons.

Faith is belief in somethng that one cannot see or prove.

Which is followed by actions (See Hebrews 11).

Demons know God is real because demons were once in heaven with God. Demons do not have faith, because they have seen and experienced God and His glory.

That is not faith.

Exactly. That is the point James is making. He is saying those who have this kind of demon type belief do not have a true faith.


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[ToBeLoved]

That's like looking at one side of a car (that is in good condition) and ignoring the other side of it (that is smashed up from an accident). You cannot look at the Bible and look at only those verses that suggest "happy times" for you. The Bible has to be read as a whole looking at both the good and the bad.

When talking about the gospel: Vengeance is what takes place when one does not obey the gospel.
It would be helpful to know what obeying not the gospel means so as to assure that one is not falling into error concerning it.


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Please stay on one topic. You add confusion with your IF... THen.... But... If .... How.... Then...

I don't need a car analogy. Car's break down, God is faithful. Let's talk God, not cars.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Please stay on one topic. You add confusion with your IF... THen.... But... If .... How.... Then...

I don't need a car analogy. Car's break down, God is faithful. Let's talk God, not cars.

My analogy is in line of how one should read the Bible. Meaning, you should not read the Bible with a certain bias or only looking at those parts that you prefer. Also, explaining the flip side of not obeying is not in contradiction to the thread topic. It is explaining WHY must one obey so as to be accepted. There are dire consequences involved if one does not obey God. Both for the believer and the unbeliever.


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[ToBeLoved]

Can a grown adult have grace and not salvation and not the gospel?
No. Of course not.
They all work in harmony together.



Can a grown adult have salvation and not the gospel and not grace?
No. Of course not.
They all work in harmony together.



Can a grown adult have the gospel and yet not have salvation and no grace?
No. Of course not.
They all work in harmony together.



But they do not work on their own. For you yourself just said they fit together. In other words, they work in harmony with each other. They are not separate.



No. They all work in harmony together and the purpose for each of them is rolled together with the others. They are not separate (As you trying to make them out to be so as to defend a wrong belief).



Please explain to me what you think the verse says then.


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Sllllloooooowwwww down Jason.

I said that they work in harmony with each other. But harmony is not to mean that each thing does not stand alone as a definition.

Harmony is like a great orchestra that plays together beautifully. Each piece adding to the overall beauty.

What would be nice is if you would read and digest what I am saying instead of moving on to topics like vengance and including them in the same post as the gospel.

This shows how disorganized your thought process is.

Try to stay focused.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Sllllloooooowwwww down Jason.

I said that they work in harmony with each other. But harmony is not to mean that each thing does not stand alone as a definition.

Harmony is like a great orchestra that plays together beautifully. Each piece adding to the overall beauty.

What would be nice is if you would read and digest what I am saying instead of moving on to topics like vengance and including them in the same post as the gospel.

This shows how disorganized your thought process is.

Try to stay focused.

You cannot have an orchestra without all the instruments playing in harmony together.
You said before grace is separate from the gospel.
If so, then that means that they cannot work in harmony together (Whereby they fit together - like you said).
You are contradicting yourself and you do not even know it.
Either something is entirely separate or they are together.
It cannot be both.
Especially when we are talking about the gospel, grace, and salvation.
They are all tied together and cannot be separated.

This means that the grace of God that teaches us to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts according to Titus 2:11-12 would also have to be included with the gospel, too. Why? Because they all work in harmony with each other and cannot be separated on their own.


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