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Everything looks old in your religion.Bad analogy. Why would he? It is not a valid comparison. We know why raisin bread is made with raisins. You need to show why a planet has to be made to look old if you want to use this, until then it is a failed analogy.
Everything looks old in your religion.
God separated light from darkness back at the beginning that is on the first day.I think it's pretty simple and you are overcomplicating it. I wasn't asking you about the mechanics of light in the atmosphere.
I'm saying, if your day 4 is an indeterminately long age, what did God mean when He referred to seasons and years? And, for that matter, dividing the day from the night? How do you take this if you insist on day 4 being a long age?
God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night;. I use the Strong's Bible so I can study the original Hebrew. In this case there is no "Let there be" that does not exist in the original. We have three word: "LIGHTS","FIRMAMENT" & "HEAVEN". Firmament here defines the meaning of the word "HEAVEN". (If you want to understand the meaning of these words then context is the key. We look at all the different verses in the book of Genesis, that uses these words.) According to physics the light waves we receive get filtered out in the Firmament or atmosphere. They are even more filtered out in the Ocean. Light only travels through 3,280 feet of the water. After that it is dark and a whole new world of life begins that is bio luminous and they provide their own light. Some of it in the range that we can see and a lot of the world and a lot of the light is outside of our range of sight. Not that many people understand the first chapter of Genesis. God just has not given it to them to understand. A lot of this stuff will be known during the 1000 year reign of Christ. Jesus is the light and light is important. When you control the light you control reality. When you go into a movie theater they control the light and they take you into another world. Then at the end they return you back to the world that you came from. Usually a changed or a different person. This what I studied in College.Genesis 1:14-15
14 Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; 15 and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so.
I do not plan to live long enough to see the tribulation. I will be close to 80 by then.Great. I don't know your eschatological views, but no matter how bad the Tribulation is (if you see it, as I expect to), please don't let anything convince you otherwise. It isn't worth it.
Your religion is your lack of religion.I have no religion,
Science does not support your view.Things look the age that they are in my science supported view.
Yes we make that up but it is based on passages in the Bible that says God does not change: "God is the same yesterday today and forever". God is not corruptible. Here on earth we know that pure light or pure energy can not be corrupted. It is the elements or the physical world that is corruptible and that results in change. Unstable elements change as they seek to be stable. God is not corruptible and He does not change. In Him there is no corruption. The mystery then is HOW could Jesus be fully human and fully God."God is outside of time, so He can go back in time"? How do you know that, Joshua 19? Just made it up, or read it somewhere?
We need a reference.Hey, you guys ought to look at a chapter that has advanced physics in it, that is still above modern science's wildest dreams. Not only that, but the section is even spoken directly by God no man involved! Do I need to cite the reference or do you know what I mean?
To fanatically preach beliefs, then make some empty statement that you have none is telling.I have no religion....
Here you go...Job 38.We need a reference.
To fanatically preach beliefs, then make some empty statement that you have none is telling.
You are welcome to whatever you have. Not for me thanks. I'll take Jesus for mine.dad, I have more than beliefs. I have knowledge, you on the other hand have less than nothing. Your blatant hypocrisy causes that to happen.
You are welcome to whatever you have. Not for me thanks. I'll take Jesus for mine.
They never thought that.
God separated light from darkness back at the beginning that is on the first day.
God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night;. I use the Strong's Bible so I can study the original Hebrew. In this case there is no "Let there be" that does not exist in the original. We have three word: "LIGHTS","FIRMAMENT" & "HEAVEN". Firmament here defines the meaning of the word "HEAVEN". (If you want to understand the meaning of these words then context is the key. We look at all the different verses in the book of Genesis, that uses these words.) According to physics the light waves we receive get filtered out in the Firmament or atmosphere. They are even more filtered out in the Ocean. Light only travels through 3,280 feet of the water. After that it is dark and a whole new world of life begins that is bio luminous and they provide their own light. Some of it in the range that we can see and a lot of the world and a lot of the light is outside of our range of sight. Not that many people understand the first chapter of Genesis. God just has not given it to them to understand. A lot of this stuff will be known during the 1000 year reign of Christ. Jesus is the light and light is important. When you control the light you control reality. When you go into a movie theater they control the light and they take you into another world. Then at the end they return you back to the world that you came from. Usually a changed or a different person. This what I studied in College.
The Hebrew people measure their month by the moon. We measure day and night based on the Sun in the Sky. In 240 B.C., the Greek astronomer Eratosthenes made the first good measurement of the size of Earth. This is an example of what God has given us to know and to understand. He measured the height of a tower and the depth of a well at noon and used fairly simple math to determine the earth was round and the size of the earth. There is a lot of stuff here, we could go on forever talking about it. The Hebrew Holidays and how they determine the dates and what their significance is. For example: The eight-day festival of Passover is celebrated in the early spring, from the 15th through the 22nd of the Hebrew month of Nissan. So no matter where you are in the world you can determine when Passover is by looking at the moon. The Jewish calendar is based on lunar cycles. Towards the beginning of the moon’s cycle, it appears as a thin crescent. That is the signal for a new Jewish month. Knowing exactly when the month begins has always been important in Jewish practice, because the Torah schedules the Jewish festivals according to the days of the month.
http://www.windows2universe.org/citizen_science/myw/w2u_eratosthenes_calc_earth_size.html
I do not plan to live long enough to see the tribulation. I will be close to 80 by then.
You need to study more science. God could not have made the stars on the fourth day. As Sagan says we are star stuff, the elements that make up the earth were made in stars.On the fourth day, He made the sun, moon, and stars/planets.
The order is right there. God made the heavens then the earth and then the sea. He did not make the sea, then the earth and then the heavens.11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them,
As a dispensationalist I am pretrib. I do not think I will die other then as Paul says we die daily. I beleive I will be transformed before tribulation period because the Bible says: "Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath." The wrath of God is for the world not the Church. The Bride will not be here in the world. In fact the Bride could not be here in the world when the wrath of God is poured out. The false dead harlot church will still be here and perhaps there will be people that do not notice that the true church is gone.pre-tribulation rapture.
We do not know right now. The quirks that make up electrons, protons and neutrons are very small. They are trying to study them in the Higgs boson at CERN.God created out of nothing,
God gave us the Bible, the written word of God, just as we have written history. He also gave us the natural record for those who take the time to study science. He does not contradict Himself. Science does not contradict the Bible. There are people that do not understand the Bible and there are people that do not understand the evidence God has given us through Science. The age of the universe is based on the Hubble effect. Fairly simple math that calculates the expansion rate of the universe and the spin down rate of the earth and the receding rate of the moon. This is the very same math that we use for our BPS with our smart phones and our satellite technology. If you trust science to give you a smart phone then why not trust them to use the same physics and the same math to tell us the age of the Universe? Only it is up to you to study science for yourself. If you do not want to that is your choice. But sooner or later you will need to learn it. The Bible and science go hand in hand and they compliment each other.There's also no suggestion from the text to read millions of years into it.
Again I will repeat myself. God gave us the natural record. All science can do is gather the evidence that God gives us. I have a Trilobite Fossil specimen from the Middle Cambrian Jince Shale Formation matrix! This "rock" was a living animal during the mid-Cambrian Era about 505 million years ago! This is the evidence we have to study. Trilobites are very common, we know this was the first hard body so they still remain today. This is what makes up lime for cement and plaster and chalk.People are just subjecting God's authority and elevating the authority of man.
Yes and some people say God used DNA as the language of life. Other people say that the ancient Hebrew is the language God used to created the Universe.God's Word that created the universe and everything in it.
I have read the Bible at least 5 times and I do not treat it carelessly. Perhaps you are guilty of what you are trying to accuse me. Does the Bible not say: "1"Do not judge so that you will not be judged.2"For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you.…" So according to the Bible you are guilty when you judge others. So be careful what you accuse me of, because you maybe telling on yourself.Do you not think that if you treat His word carelessly by refusing to believe the clear parts that He will consider you guiltless? I'm not saying you have to believe in six literal day young earth creation to be saved, but you're on a very slippery slope.
Again you maybe guilty of what you are accusing others of. I do not reject the literal understanding of the Bible. So you should be careful when you accuse others that you do not bear false witness. Everyone has their own understanding. I do not reject any of it. Even the Christians here on the forum. They approach maybe slightly different then mine, but from their perspective what they believe is true. Like you they believe in a literal understanding of the Bible. I do not reject any of the creation theories and I accept all of them. In context from their perspective.The verse many people use--I think you already cited it to me--"a day is like a thousand years" to support their rejection of Genesis as literal history is in that same passage, but that use is clearly taking Scripture out of context.
What I take serious is the word "MANY". We are told that "many are weak and sickly among you" not a few but many. Why? Because they are not: "not discerning the Lord's body." We are not to judge others we are to judge ourselves: "Forif we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged."It refers to God's patience because He wants to give everyone a sufficient chance to repent and believe in Jesus for their salvation. Please take seriously the Bible's strong words against and the end of such type of rebellion.
It does not much matter. God is keeping me alive and I am sure He has His reasons and He has a work He wants me to do. When I have finished then I can go onto my reward."what if you are still alive when it comes?"
I have endured plenty in life so it is up to God what I do and what I do not have to endure. We are not saved by works. So whatever we have to endure He will reward us.Will you be ready to endure suffering to obey the Word of God
Has "observed scientific study" ever observed anything like this?(In reference to the Hebrews thinking the earth was flat...yes they did. They also had a cosmology of the earth and heavens that is completely and utterly wrong, in comparison to what has been observed through scientific study:
The problem is not with the Bible and the problem is not with science. The problem is with the people that twist the Bible and twist science to fit their own agenda. "To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure." Titus 1 15But you don't really know what Jesus said. The Bible is not a reliable source. At least not for science.
Has "observed scientific study" ever observed anything like this?
2 Kings 6:17 And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha.
If not, do you consider this to be part of their "cosmology of the earth and heavens" that is "completely and utterly wrong"?
What I see you doing here is blaming the Hebrews on something science is feeding you.My point was that the ancient Hebrews used to believe that there were literal floodgates through which rain fell. (No knowledge yet of the hydrologic cycle.) They also thought that the sun, moon, and stars were attached to the underside of a solid dome.
That's nice.Jadis40 said:My point was we know, now, that the sun and moon and stars are not within or even close to the earth's atmosphere, and that there's no solid dome holding back waters either.
We wait for this to be posted...and we wait..and wait...dad, I have more than beliefs. ...