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The Esoteric Knowledge Gambit
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Right...here's another little bit of advice. If you want to claim to hold some special knowledge which no one else has...you really need to thoroughly understand the subject you're talking about. For example...
If you want to tell some scientists that something about evolution is wrong...you'll need to fully understand evolution. If you start going on about some spiritual stuff...you'll lose your audience immediately.
Likewise, if you want to tell some christians that evolution is wrong in some way...don't include some spiritual stuff about them being wrong as well. Again, you'll lose your audience.
These things are fine to do as opinions...but presented as facts, people will want proof. Without that, you just look like someone who doesn't understand the difference between opinion and fact.
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No, God has caused it (confusion) on purpose...so that even if the truth is clearly told, it will not be understood by all, in order to prolong things until all have heard it.
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You seem to have a problem with God´s plan. Or else I don´t understand what the purpose of this thread is.
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Thanks for the advice, but I do know the facts, and I have presented them in the proper way. I am not concerned with audiences, or what they think they know.
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GrowingSmaller
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Esoteric is a fuzzy concept to define, there are no clear cut boundaries. I think that's right.
So we have something like a "heaps" (sorites) situation. How many grains of sand, for instance, does it take to make up a heap?
I met a schizophrenic poet once, and I was indirectly alluding to some mystic experience i had, via poetry, and he said "Hey I know what you mean about the light". I have a mystical conversion in a storm, and he had similar looking at light through a window pane.
So what is the explanation for this "esoteric knowledge". Schizophrenia? That depends on cultural setting and standards, and the openess to mysticism in the institutions of psychiatry.
But if the consensus were it is menatal illness, suddenly we have esoteric (private hidden etc.) points of reference which - ok, lets hear it, from a secular perspective - are suddenly the gambit of the scientist.
So we have something like a "heaps" (sorites) situation. How many grains of sand, for instance, does it take to make up a heap?
I met a schizophrenic poet once, and I was indirectly alluding to some mystic experience i had, via poetry, and he said "Hey I know what you mean about the light". I have a mystical conversion in a storm, and he had similar looking at light through a window pane.
So what is the explanation for this "esoteric knowledge". Schizophrenia? That depends on cultural setting and standards, and the openess to mysticism in the institutions of psychiatry.
But if the consensus were it is menatal illness, suddenly we have esoteric (private hidden etc.) points of reference which - ok, lets hear it, from a secular perspective - are suddenly the gambit of the scientist.
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Full Definition of esoteric
- 1a : designed for or understood by the specially initiated alone<a body of esoteric legal doctrine — B. N. Cardozo>b : requiring or exhibiting knowledge that is restricted to a small group <esotericterminology>; broadly : difficult to understand <esotericsubjects>
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