Apparent suicide bomber blows himself out of airliner at 14,000 feet but plane lands safely

[Blondepudding]

That is not karma, karma is when they all fall on their knees, begging for a quick death.

In truth if Karma applied, per the Hindu belief in Karma, they'd be reborn as a dung beetle. Ideally, if Karma could present itself as reincarnation as an inanimate object, they'd return as a plunger. In Delhi.

 

[NightHawkeye]

'Wheelchair-bound suicide bomber' responsible for attack on Somali airline: Suspect who blew up plane in mid-flight used disabled status to avoid rigorous security checks, investigators suspect | The Telegraph

A bomb attack that ripped a hole in an airliner as it flew over Somalia was smuggled on board by a wheelchair-bound passenger who was not properly screened, officials suspect.​

 

[Uncle Siggy]

'Wheelchair-bound suicide bomber' responsible for attack on Somali airline: Suspect who blew up plane in mid-flight used disabled status to avoid rigorous security checks, investigators suspect | The Telegraph

A bomb attack that ripped a hole in an airliner as it flew over Somalia was smuggled on board by a wheelchair-bound passenger who was not properly screened, officials suspect.​

To some the truth just doesn't matter...

 

[NightHawkeye]

To some the truth just doesn't matter...

Indeed. Such pre-judgement by the very investigators tasked with determining the truth ...

 

[Blondepudding]

To some the truth just doesn't matter...

And yet when that's the case but they invoke justice and the American law presumption of innocent until proven guilty, what's that?

 

[NightHawkeye]

And yet when that's the case but they invoke justice and the American law presumption of innocent until proven guilty, what's that?

Noting that the "presumption of innocent until proven guilty" applies to criminal matters.

In civil law the standard is "preponderance of the evidence".

 

[Blondepudding]

Noting that the "presumption of innocent until proven guilty" applies to criminal matters.

In civil law the standard is "preponderance of the evidence".

Noting that the attempted murder of civilian passengers on a commercial airliner would fall under criminal matter.

 

[NightHawkeye]

Noting that the attempted murder of civilian passengers on a commercial airliner would fall under criminal matter.

Yet, it appears that nobody was murdered and accounts indicate that the apparent perpetrator died as a result of his own actions.

What exactly would you want to take to court?

 

[cow451]

Yet, it appears that nobody was murdered and accounts indicate that the apparent perpetrator died as a result of his own actions.

What exactly would you want to take to court?

It would depend on whether the perp had material support from specific people.

 

[Blondepudding]

Yet, it appears that nobody was murdered and accounts indicate that the apparent perpetrator died as a result of his own actions.

What exactly would you want to take to court?

Who exactly would you say qualifies to be a defendant in a civil matter?

 

[NightHawkeye]

Who exactly would you say qualifies to be a defendant in a civil matter?

Nothing that I see ...

 

[Mayzoo]

If the man is found guilty, no one will be surprised. Even I have already stated quite a while back it was likely a bomb and he likely placed it there BUT could we please not jump to conclusions. Yup, no one will be surprised if he is guilty.

However, every single one of you will be surprised, shocked and appalled when the rights you so freely gave away affect you in a personal way. You will be bemoaning, why am I/they not presumed innocent until proven guilty? Who took that right from me. You will not look back at this conversation and think, wow this is what she was talking about. You will be too busy complaining and scrambling to try to save yourself or your loved one.

So many of our rights have already been taken, given away, or are currently under fire. Now, people are eager to give away our right of innocence before proven guilty.

I can only list a few rights we have lost/given away in the last few decades. My hubby can list many more, but he is not here.


First amendment:
Some of our right to free speech has been challenged or revoked.

Second amendment:
Our right to bare arms is under constant review, but of this has been the case for quite some time on one level or anther.

Fourth amendment:
We can now be searched and some items may be seized without due cause or warrants.

Fifth amendment:
Someone presumed to be involved in terrorist activity, no matter how vague, may be arrested and detained without any trial for as long as it deemed necessary including indefinitely.

14th amendment:
People can be held indefinitely in jail without any trial if they are only assumed to be a terrorist or involved in some vague way in terrorist activity.
If you are assumed to be involved in any kind terrorist activity, you are already guilty and jailed until YOU can prove you are innocent.


At least now I will not be as shocked when I see in my lifetime our right to innocence before proven guilty completely revoked for not just a few, but for the masses. I was shocked to see it here in such force and with such vitriol. It appears the masses no longer want to offer the right of innocent until proven guilty to anyone other than themselves or their loved ones of course. Sadly, the wishes of the masses often become laws. I stood up here for the 14th amendment, and I am told I am anywhere from just plain wrong for doing so to being decried a terrorist sympathizer. Not only are assumed terrorist scorned, those who stand up for the constitution of the US are scorned as well.

I will continue to enjoy and fight for America and the freedoms we have now for as long as they last. I will continue to stand up for the constitution and our rights even while I am saddened by watching others throw our rights away as fast as they possibly can.

 

[NightHawkeye]

If the man is found guilty, no one will be surprised. Even I have already stated quite a while back it was likely a bomb and he likely placed it there BUT could we please not jump to conclusions. Yup, no one will be surprised if he is guilty.

Intelligent discussion necessarily involves speculation and "connecting the dots". Today, it seems that the knowledgeable investigators have caught up with us.

Investigators Conclude Suicide Bomber Caused Somalia Airliner Blast | Wall Street Journal

NAIROBI, Kenya—Somali and international investigators have confirmed that the man ejected from a Airbus A321 over Somalia by a blast aboard the airplane was a suicide bomber, an official briefed on the probe said Friday.​

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Passenger Sucked Out of Plane at 14,000 Feet After Suspected Bomb Blasts Hole in Side of Jet | The Blaze

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The news story said it happened at 14,000 ft. That is still breathable atmosphere. If he had waited till it was at 35,000 feet it would be a very different story.
Thank God for stupidity!

The only thing I can think of, was he was trying to perhaps blow the engine or jet fuel up?
He is now with Allah and the 72 virgins in paradise.....Allahu Akbar!

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[brinny]

The only thing I can think of, was he was trying to perhaps blow the engine or jet fuel up?
He is now with Allah and the 72 virgins in paradise.....Allahu Akbar!


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[NightHawkeye]

From your bookcover ...

"If no one else dies you did it wrong"​

So it would seem.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

On a discussion board, you're going to get discussion about things, which will sometimes include facts, sometimes speculation, and almost always opinions.

People saying that a suicide bomber got what he deserved is not an erosion of any right here. I know it's fun to be a keyboard warrior and claim to be all about rights, but it's hard to believe when you're bemoaning the loss of our first amendment rights while telling people they're wrong for expressing their opinions.

 

[Blondepudding]

CBS News Feb.6 (red font is my doing)

.....The statement confirms information a U.S. aviation expert close to the investigation told CBS News on Friday, that an IED inside a laptop caused the midair explosion.