Does Science Agree With the Bible?

[SkyWriting]

God is preparing 144,000 people. 12,000 from each tribe. They will be the witness for God when the Church age comes to an end and the true Church is no longer here.

Something like that.
That would be one way to describe the coming events.

 

[SkyWriting]

Yes, many cultures have flood stories because there have been many floods such as the recent Tsunami in Japan which, had it happened long ago, would have blamed on the Gods. Today we know it's was from an underwater earthquake.

Even non-believers blame God when a family member dies.
They don't believe in him, but they hate him.

 

[The Cadet]

Like dark matter or wind. From the effect it has.

That's... not really an answer. We know the effect of wind and dark matter. What is the effect of having the Holy Spirit of God? How do you determine whether that specific effect is present?

Even non-believers blame God when a family member dies.
They don't believe in him, but they hate him.

Not me, nor any of the atheists I know.

 

[Colter]

I didn't realize the bone structure was different.

Its a different race. But ironically, only the Hebrews who wrote the greatly exaggerated flood story about themselves seem to remember being related to Noah.

 

[Colter]

That's... not really an answer. We know the effect of wind and dark matter. What is the effect of having the Holy Spirit of God? How do you determine whether that specific effect is present?



Not me, nor any of the atheists I know.

Ask any former Atheist who was born again to explain it to you. But really it's something you have to experience yourself to fully understand.

 

[The Cadet]

Ask any former Atheist who was born again to explain it to you. But really it's something you have to experience yourself to fully understand.

That doesn't help me, though, because if I do think I experience it myself, how will I be able to distinguish between the real effect of having the Holy Spirit of God and simple self-delusion? And how would I be able to pass that information on to anyone else?

 

[Colter]

That doesn't help me, though, because if I do think I experience it myself, how will I be able to distinguish between the real effect of having the Holy Spirit of God and simple self-delusion? And how would I be able to pass that information on to anyone else?

Have you ever had any other experience that you learned from, like love that, while you understand it you may not adequately be able to fully communicate it to another? But should you encounter others who have had that experience you all can identify with it as a group sharing each others unique descriptions.

 

[Michael]

1. You tread on dangerous ground.
2. For the same reason, Israel has been held in blindness. Will you also call them accursed?

You're treading on more dangerous ground than I am, and you've never explained why or how you know that it's not just you that's been held in blindness?

 

[Loudmouth]

1. Yes, my assertion is bare to your position, and yours is to mine.

My position is backed by evidence, so it isn't a bare assertion.

Those are the terms. Can you handle it?

Just as we are clear that the terms you are suggesting is that you get to make up anything you want, and we are forced to accept it as true without any evidence or reasoning, we are never allowed to question it, and you will insult us if we refuse to accept it. Does that cover all the bases?

If you mean to come to the table, you must allow the same of others. Otherwise you remain alone.

There are plenty of reasonable people already at the evidence table. You can't bully your way to the table. You need evidence.

As I said, my evidence, AND your evidence, cannot be distinguished by the other.

Your evidence can not be distinguished from something that is made up or doesn't exist. Do you really think that just asserting something is evidence?

I have told you, just as it has been written for thousands of years, that your position is "made up", and you have told me that my position is the same. When will you be up to those terms?

What is my position?

 

[dad]

You have shared, yes, but you have totally failed to show that what you shared is in any way related to reality.

Thanks for the ruling. We all need to check in with you to see what reality is.

 

[Loudmouth]

I told you again and again and again. The very best evidence for Eden is in the Biology book.

And that evidence is . . . ?

This is what a population explosion (radiation) is all about.

Where is your evidence that the population explosion occurred in the Eden spoken of in the Bible?

 

[dad]

You're treading on more dangerous ground than I am, and you've never explained why or how you know that it's not just you that's been held in blindness?

I would think that biblical blindness is most defined by people not seeing the Light. Jesus. For example, some folks do not see that Jesus really is God...etc.

 

[Loudmouth]

If you want to consider Noah an archetype go ahead. There is no conflict between the Bible and Science. They go hand in hand and you can not understand one with out the other.

How was the Bible used to construct the theory of evolution or radiometric dating?

If it were not for Abraham and Moses you would not even have any science today.

Based on what evidence?

Do you understand the significance of recorded history? You keep wanting the throw the history book away.

Do you understand the significance of just assuming that a story is recorded history?

 

[dad]

Where is your evidence that the population explosion occurred in the Eden spoken of in the Bible?

Science has no evidence man even lived at the time, or most animals! One would not look for evidence that would be perceptible to them. For those who accept the record of Scripture God gave us, we know that man had lots of sex and multiplied like crazy. For those who reject that truth, there is but darkness, ignorance, doubt and naysaying idiocy.

 

[dad]

My position is backed by evidence, so it isn't a bare assertion.

It is a bare assertion that your position is backed by evidence.

 

[Loudmouth]

Lots of people do not have the Holy Spirit of God so they do not have any idea what the Bible's message is for us today.

Where is the evidence that any one has something called the "Holy Spirit of God"?

 

[Loudmouth]

Science has no evidence man even lived at the time,

There is no evidence that you would ever accept, as shown in multiple threads.

 

[Loudmouth]

It is a bare assertion that your position is backed by evidence.

29+ Evidences for Macroevolution

 

[Edmond Smith]

No, your posts show a lack of being honest with yourself. It is not a matter of me believing you.

Here is one reason why I know you don't know anything about God.
It was because I was honest with myself and realized that I'm nothing without Christ. I had to come to the realization that I had to surrender my all to be like Christ. Like Paul did.

Phl 1:21
For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.

It isn't about me. It's all about Christ. He's my savior. And you can't more truthful than that.

There may be one god, but it is clearly not your version. And I have shown you, you simply will not let yourself see. And I never claimed that there was no god. That is an example of a strawman by you. I can show why your version of god does not exist. There is a big difference between showing that your "God" does not exist and showing that there are no gods at all.

Again, you show your lack of knowledge about God. There is only one God. The so called versions you are talking about are the different interpretations of His Word. Or those who claim to have a god.

That's why the first commandment is:

Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Even God knew that other things would be worshipped.
Those other gods, like Meloch, baphomet, and allah aren't the true God of the Bible.

He also knew people would worship Idols.

Thou shalt not make any graven images to worhip.

Lev 26:1
Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God

He also knew that we would set ourselves up to always think we are right. (This is your category)
but it's the way unto Death.

Pro 14:12
There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

So, you see. God of heaven, knows just what is going on.

Then why are you afraid to learn?

Not afraid at all to learn, I learn something new everyday if I can. I even told you on one post I had learned some things.
Just disagree with things that are incorrect. That is also learning. By not taking things by how they are told, to investigate them and then come to an informed conclusion. Not by standing on my opinions and guesses that others make. That you do very well.

Wrong. I am simply not afraid of your version of God, but then your version has been shown to be as wrong as the version that the Flat Earthers have.

Again, you haven't shown how the God of Heaven has been shown to be wrong. I agree the god the flat earthers believe in isn't real, it's one they have made up in their own mind, to justify themselves. Because the God of Heaven created the world round and it shows that in His Word.

Sure they are. You just made another empty threat. You sound just like a five year old on the school yard, threatening that his big brother will beat someone else up since he is not able to.

LOL...if it were that easy...but it isn't. If you die in your sins, when your judged by God, you will be punished for those sins.
Not a threat. A fact.

I know that that failed book will be around for a while. Of course it is becoming less and less a force in this world. My grandkids may not get threatened with its nonsense, though I know that I will be threatened for some time yet.

You see, here you go again. Your opinion. which is wrong. The Word never goes out void. Every time you see or hear the scripture. Your conscience grabs hold of it and keeps it. You will be reminded of His Word, by the Holy Spirit from time to time even if you don't want it to. The law will tug at your conscience, every time you transgress it. The bible is a book, yes, and it's not to be worshipped, because it's a book. It has no mystical powers in of itself. But God's Word, has changed peoples lives because of Christ and what He did for us. it's all about Him.
Again, your opinion. Plus your showing faith. That if you don't have grandkids now, that you will have them. Plus, you never know, God may take them and change their lives so much that they make a huge impact for Christ in the world. They could become another great Preacher or Creationist Scientist, or biblical theologian....you don't know. God does.

Of course you do. That is the reason that you will not let go of irrational beliefs. You are afraid to look at science because it may show your version of god to be wrong. That is fear.

Your opinion.
Believing in God and Christ and salvation. Isn't irrational. It's extremely rational. And science will never show God to be wrong. Hasn't yet and won't. As a matter of fact, I believe science will show that there is a God and that He did what He said.
It has already in many aspects. Like the information within a Genome, Science can't explain, how it get's there.
Like the creation of Man, Science can't explain, how it happened. Oh they guess and suppose and speculate...but that's not facts.
The faith you have in Science is very irrational. You have faith in guesses and speculation.

Again, it depends upon which version. The flat Earthers' version of "El, Eloah, Elohim, El shaddai, Adonai, YHWH,YAWEH JIREH, YAHWAH RAPHA..." has been refuted by science, you as much as admitted that, and so has yours. I gave you a link to a group whose version has not been refuted, yet.

biologos wouldn't be refuted, because they run in the same camp as you. So why would you refute it? again your opinion and it's not the God of Heaven. showing your lack of knowledge of God.

Sorry, but you just contradicted yourself again. You have to reject all of science to hold your beliefs. And no, I give evolution earned respect, unlike you I do not have the flaw of faith.

LOL....your funny. If I completely rejected science. I wouldnt' have become an Engineer, wouldn't work on computers, wouldn't go to the doctor, and a whole slew of things. I love science. God created it so I'm thankful for Him doing so.
Science lets me see and prove that God did do what he said.
Do I know everything scientific, NO...neither do you, I'm sure. But beings you brought up this straw man, might as well continue.

Thinking that Science is the only tool for gaining knowledge about reality and our world is a misunderstanding. This has to do with epistemology. Epistemology is a fancy word for how we come to know certain things. Yes, science is an epistemological tool that helps us gain knowledge about our world. Science is not the only tool, nor is it the best tool for figuring out all kinds of things about our world.

Again, science is a valuable tool. It does tell us about the natural world, so we can figure out the composition of certain rocks on our planet and all sorts of other things science can tell us. However, there are other tools we can use to gain knowledge about our world that are indeed more efficient, more accurate, and quicker at gaining that knowledge. Science is just one of them that happens to have been elevated above all other tools. I want to introduce you to some other ways we can come to gain knowledge about our world.

In addition to science, we have another epistemological tool: reason or logical deduction. This can also help us to gain knowledge about our world. Imagine if I were to say to you that I am taller than my wife, and my wife is taller than my daughter. Then what if I asked you, “Am I taller than my daughter?” You could know that the answer is yes. You could figure that out by reason or logical deduction because it’s another way of figuring out our world. You simply use the process of reasoning to figure it out. You didn’t use science to figure it out, yet you could know with certainty that I am taller than my daughter.

Another epistemological tool that helps us gain knowledge about our world is called testimony. For example, if I wanted to know what the weather is like in San Diego right now, I could simply call my wife and ask her. She could tell me, and I would have immediate knowledge about the external world through the virtue of testimony. Testimony can tell us lots of things about the world. If you want to know about the results of a sports game or who a killer is, eyewitness testimony can tell you that information.

A third epistemological tool is introspection. If you want to know about what’s going on in your internal state, or your mind, all you have to do is introspect. This will also give you knowledge about our reality and our world. For example if I wanted to know what I’m thinking about right now, all I’d have to do is introspect and attend to my inner feelings and thoughts. Then, I might realize I’m thinking about Haagen daz chocolate peanut butter ice cream, which is a thought I have quite often. Again, introspection is an epistemological tool that can tell us about reality, specifically about our inner states.

What’s significant about this particular tool is that there’s no scientific experiment that you could perform that would tell me that information. You could hook up electrodes to my skull, or you could have a neurosurgeon cut open my brain and look inside it and never see any awareness of chocolate peanut butter ice cream. You would have no idea whether I’m sad or thinking about my mother wearing a red dress in the kitchen, because none of those are accessible by the tools of science. Science as an epistemological tool is limited in that sense. Whereas, if I wanted to know what’s going on in my internal state, all I have to do is introspect.

Notice that knowledge gained through logical deduction, testimony, and introspection can have certain advantages that science can’t offer. Often, they can be quicker or more accurate. For example, if I were to introspect and think about my feelings, it’s hard to imagine being wrong about that, but it’s possible that a science experiment could be mistaken. When I introspect or ask a person their testimony in order to gain knowledge about something they know, I gain immediate knowledge whereas science sometimes takes weeks, months, or possibly even years.

My point is not to denigrate science below other forms. I also don’t want to elevate science as if it’s the only or most perfect tool to gain knowledge about the external world. It turns out there are many epistemological tools to gain knowledge about the world. Science is just one of them.

And yet you have no evidence that they are wrong where they have and I have massive evidence that you are wrong. Sorry, but you simply believe in a false version of God. It seems that your fear will not allow for rational discourse. Remember, ice floats.

Sorry, have evidence, you won't accept it. not my problem. Yours.

 

[dad]

There is no evidence that you would ever accept, as shown in multiple threads.

I have never seen any offered that man and most animals would have fossilized in the former nature!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wow.