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Does Science Agree With the Bible?

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Edmond, there is no "science" material in the Bible. The Bible is not in teh language of science, to start with. At the time of teh Reformation, the Reformers were confronted with the problem of how Scripture can fit with the new science of teh time, which was pushing out the biblical ideas idea of a flat earth, the sun going round the earth, etc. Calvin, for example, decided to stress that the Bible was not indented by God to be a book on astronomy. In short, God did not intend the Bible to be a scierntific text.

Sure there is.
But your correct, the bible isn't a science book.

Time had a beginning: 2 Timothy 1:9, Titus 1:2, 1 Corinthians 2:72
The universe had a beginning:Genesis 1:1, 2:4, Isaiah 42:5, etc
The universe was created from the invisible Hebrews 11:34
The dimensions of the universe were created Romans 8:38-395
The universe is expanding Job 9:8, Psalm 104:2, Isaiah 40:22, Isaiah 42:5, Isaiah 44:24, Isaiah 45:12, Isaiah 48:13, Isaiah 51:13, Jeremiah 10:12, Jeremiah 51:15, Zechariah 12:16
Creation of matter and energy has ended in the universe (refutes steady-state theory) Genesis 2:3-47

Just to name a few.
No it doesn't get into theory or scientific explanation or experiment. But its there.
 
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Sure there is.
But your correct, the bible isn't a science book.

Time had a beginning: 2 Timothy 1:9, Titus 1:2, 1 Corinthians 2:72
The universe had a beginning:Genesis 1:1, 2:4, Isaiah 42:5, etc
The universe was created from the invisible Hebrews 11:34
The dimensions of the universe were created Romans 8:38-395
The universe is expanding Job 9:8, Psalm 104:2, Isaiah 40:22, Isaiah 42:5, Isaiah 44:24, Isaiah 45:12, Isaiah 48:13, Isaiah 51:13, Jeremiah 10:12, Jeremiah 51:15, Zechariah 12:16
Creation of matter and energy has ended in the universe (refutes steady-state theory) Genesis 2:3-47

Just to name a few.
No it doesn't get into theory or scientific explanation or experiment. But its there.
The beginning in Genesis is unrelated to the big bang and no comparison.
 
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It's not even that. You are aware that a literal "exodus" never actually happened, right?

Your absolutely positive of this? Please show me where you get your information?
 
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I wasn't speaking of just the theory of evolution. I was speaking of your belief system into the theory of evolution. Your actions and you belief in it, makes it a religion.

What "belief system"? I don't think that I have one, but perhaps you could try to show that I have one.

I don't have to justify the flood story. Because it's the truth. You don't want to believe in it, so no matter what evidence I can show you, you'd just deny them. I believe it to be true and so does many others. I'm trying to convince you of that.

Nope, it is far from the truth. It was shown to be wrong long before Darwin came along.

Just that you have sin in your life. You don't believe, okay. Sorry you don't. But you still have sin in your life. And one day you will be judged for those sins, whether you believe or not.

Maybe I have and maybe I haven't. Define "sin".

If you know of the 10 commandments, do you follow them? I know I've broken them, Thru God's word I saw thru the law that I have sinned, Thankfully, I repented and put my trust in Jesus.

I have probably done a better job than most Christians have. I am not perfect. But I don't have to lie to support my beliefs.

That's the most important information you need to hear about the Bible, than you'll ever hear. One day, you'll die, hopefully for not a long time, but you will. And you'll meet God. I just hope that you have found out the truth of the Word tells us and that you have repented and placed your trust I Christ.

What if your God is not real? Then you will not meet him. What valid reasons do you have for your beliefs?

What you believe in doesn't matter as much as, Is what you believe in to be true?

What? This does not make much sense as written. I know much of what I believe in is true and I know that much of what you believe in is false.
 
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Your absolutely positive of this? Please show me where you get your information?
Are you aware the the Israeli government sponsored an in depth archaeological expedition to gather evidence for the exodus story, and they had to closed it down because they found zero evidence. It's a myth.
 
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If you treat either the Garden of Eden story or the Noah's Ark story as history then you are wrong on both. There is no doubt about it.
Are these stories based on magic or miracles?

Is God JEHOVAH or YAHWEH?

Were the stories written before or after the Epic of Gilgamesh?

I mean, let's make sure we're talking about the same stories here ... eh?
 
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Are these stories based on magic or miracles?

Is God JEHOVAH or YAHWEH?

Were the stories written before or after the Epic of Gilgamesh?

I mean, let's make sure we're talking about the same stories here ... eh?


Is there any difference? Since at least some of the Genesis stories were based upon the Epic of Gilgamesh those at the very least were written later.

The entire book of Genesis is merely a collection of morality tales at best. They are not factual. Though there was a sizable flood that the Noah's Ark story was probably based upon. Of course it was still a local flood that did not come near to wiping out humanity, nor would an Ark been of any use.
 
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What "belief system"? I don't think that I have one, but perhaps you could try to show that I have one.

You believe evolution is a fact, you tell others that its a fact because of this belief....therefore it is your in your belief system. I can't speak of anything else you believe because you haven't discussed those things. But you have on evolution.





Nope, it is far from the truth. It was shown to be wrong long before Darwin came along.

Okay, show me where it is a lie. And show me where it's wrong.




Maybe I have and maybe I haven't. Define "sin".

If you have ever lied, or stolen anything, or as Jesus put it,
"Thou knowest of the times of old, "Thou shalt not commit adultery, but I say if a man look at a woman he has commited adultery in his heart already." So, if you've just looked at somebody in a lustful manner, you've commited adultery. God knows the intentions of you heart as much as you do.
If you've hated someone, your consider a murderer and have no eternal life in you at all

Sin is the transgression of the Law. If you break one, you break them all.

And unless you've lived a perfect life, It would be correct to say, that you have sinned.

I have probably done a better job than most Christians have. I am not perfect. But I don't have to lie to support my beliefs.

I would have to agree with you on that. And you may not lie about your beliefs, but you've lied somewhere before.

What if your God is not real? Then you will not meet him. What valid reasons do you have for your beliefs?

My valid reasons is the experiences I have had of God. Knowing that His Word is true and that it stands on it's own.
What if God is real? That you will meet him. What will be your excuse for not believing in Him?

What? This does not make much sense as written. I know much of what I believe in is true and I know that much of what you believe in is false.

Are you so sure that what you believe in Evolution is true. why? when all the speculation, not sures and the we think so's.
How do you know what I believe in is false?
 
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