The Second Coming not before 2065?

[Psalm3704]

My warning is that the message in Haggai 2:20-23 has gone forth. That's really all I can say. The time, I believe will be in the next year or 2. However, it could be next month, I just don't know. There may be a clue for us Haggai 2:22 about who will be in this war.

I believe with a certainty of about 99% that this message has gone forth on the 24th day of the 9th month (Kislev) in our year 2015, which was the first day of Chanukah, which is the first day of the feast of dedication, which was on 12/06/2015.

You have the right idea, the correct month (Kislev) and day (24th on the Hebrew Calendar), just the year is off. The month and day on the gregorian calendar for Kislev 24th for the correct year will fall on December 12th.

The year is also given in the bible, as well as the season of the rapture and the season for the second coming. The rapture and the second coming don't fall on the same season either. The will rapture happen during the Winter and the second coming will happen in the Spring, just as the season when Christ died on the cross and ascended into heaven 40 days later, which was Spring. It's all hidden in the bible.

But anyways, you're on the right track, but it wasn't 12/06/2015 and the shaking of the heaven and earth will not come this year. Haggai was implying the tribulation when God will shake the heaven and the earth. But you can go back to Haggai and see for yourself, Haggai 2:18-22.

The foundation of the temple will be completed before God shakes heaven and earth. The construction of the temple in Jerusalem haven't started yet and it won't be built the rest of this year either. But it is coming and will begin around September, but I won't go into the year as it gets lengthy to prove the year with scripture. But it's found in the bible.

Haggai 2:18-22 NKJV
18 ‘Consider now from this day forward, from the twenty-fourth day of the ninth month, from the day that the foundation of the Lord’s temple was laid—consider it: 19 Is the seed still in the barn? As yet the vine, the fig tree, the pomegranate, and the olive tree have not yielded fruit. But from this day I will bless you.’”

20 And again the word of the Lord came to Haggai on the twenty-fourth day of the month, saying, 21 “Speak to Zerubbabel, governor of Judah, saying:

‘I will shake heaven and earth.

22 I will overthrow the throne of kingdoms;
I will destroy the strength of the Gentile kingdoms.
I will overthrow the chariots
And those who ride in them;
The horses and their riders shall come down,
Every one by the sword of his brother.​

There are many other prophecies that must be fulfill before the construction of the temple begins. I noticed you're looking for a war to happen soon. Well that's one of the prophecies too. Israel will be going to war most likely this year, if not, than next year but it's highly it'll be this year. Israel will be at war in Jordan, the Gaza, the Sinai and Syria within the next two years, most likely against ISIS. Israel becomes and ally to the arab nations in the Middle East fighting ISIS and with help from western allies, Israel will defeat ISIS and expand it's borders into those territories.

There's currently an international coalition of 62 countries directly and directly fighting ISIS from all over the world. Kinda like a world war against terrorism. After Israel helps defeat ISIS and the threat of terrorism currently looming around the world is eliminated, the world and the Middle East will sigh a relief from the threat and chant "peace and safety!" 1 Thessalonians 5:3. And with the help from Turkey: Isaiah 19:23-25, will form a peace treaty with Israel that will be held in Egypt: Isaiah 30:1-3, Isaiah 31:1.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...f-the-anti-islamic-state-coalition-are-doing/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...coalition-and-what-they-are-contributing.html








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[John S]

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The Elect consist of 144,000 first born male virgins, who never lie. The Elect does NOT consist of every Tom, Dick, and Harry.

 

[Ronald]

The Tribulation Period already began in December 2015. WELCOME TO THE APOCALYPSE.

If you lived in Syria, Iraq, Libya or a bunch of other Muslim countries, you would think you were in the Great Tribulation when Islamic Terrorists (coming under many names) are invading your town, raping, torturing and chopping off heads as you run for you life into the desert or mountains to escape. To them, it started years ago. But on a worldwide scale, it's just the beginning.
Btw, NASA and scientists just confirmed last week that Planet X exists. What was supposed to be a myth, that it is on path with earth may not be so much of a myth. The idea that it has asteroids following it, has a 3600 -4500 year cycle, etc., may not be quackery. An asteroid or two would more likely effect the entire earth. Other things like nuclear war or EMP set off where the power shuts down over the entire nation could also throw us into a catastrophic scenario. ???

 

[Fusion77]

Actually that

You have the right idea, the correct month (Kislev) and day (24th on the Hebrew Calendar), just the year is off. The month and day on the gregorian calendar for Kislev 24th for the correct year will fall on December 12th.

The year is also given in the bible, as well as the season of the rapture and the season for the second coming. The rapture and the second coming don't fall on the same season either. The will rapture happen during the Winter and the second coming will happen in the Spring, just as the season when Christ died on the cross and ascended into heaven 40 days later, which was Spring. It's all hidden in the bible.

But anyways, you're on the right track, but it wasn't 12/06/2015 and the shaking of the heaven and earth will not come this year. Haggai was implying the tribulation when God will shake the heaven and the earth. But you can go back to Haggai and see for yourself, Haggai 2:18-22.

The foundation of the temple will be completed before God shakes heaven and earth. The construction of the temple in Jerusalem haven't started yet and it won't be built the rest of this year either. But it is coming and will begin around September, but I won't go into the year as it gets lengthy to prove the year with scripture. But it's found in the bible.

Haggai 2:18-22 NKJV
18 ‘Consider now from this day forward, from the twenty-fourth day of the ninth month, from the day that the foundation of the Lord’s temple was laid—consider it: 19 Is the seed still in the barn? As yet the vine, the fig tree, the pomegranate, and the olive tree have not yielded fruit. But from this day I will bless you.’”

20 And again the word of the Lord came to Haggai on the twenty-fourth day of the month, saying, 21 “Speak to Zerubbabel, governor of Judah, saying:

‘I will shake heaven and earth.

22 I will overthrow the throne of kingdoms;
I will destroy the strength of the Gentile kingdoms.
I will overthrow the chariots
And those who ride in them;
The horses and their riders shall come down,
Every one by the sword of his brother.​

There are many other prophecies that must be fulfill before the construction of the temple begins. I noticed you're looking for a war to happen soon. Well that's one of the prophecies too. Israel will be going to war most likely this year, if not, than next year but it's highly it'll be this year. Israel will be at war in Jordan, the Gaza, the Sinai and Syria within the next two years, most likely against ISIS. Israel becomes and ally to the arab nations in the Middle East fighting ISIS and with help from western allies, Israel will defeat ISIS and expand it's borders into those territories.

There's currently an international coalition of 62 countries directly and directly fighting ISIS from all over the world. Kinda like a world war against terrorism. After Israel helps defeat ISIS and the threat of terrorism currently looming around the world is eliminated, the world and the Middle East will sigh a relief from the threat and chant "peace and safety!" 1 Thessalonians 5:3. And with the help from Turkey: Isaiah 19:23-25, will form a peace treaty with Israel that will be held in Egypt: Isaiah 30:1-3, Isaiah 31:1.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...f-the-anti-islamic-state-coalition-are-doing/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...coalition-and-what-they-are-contributing.html








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actually that date represents the first day of Chanukah, which is the feast of dedication. The first day of Chanukah was at sundown on 12/06/2015 you might want to recheck your calendar to get the correct information. Haggai 2:20-23 is a message to one of the 2 witnesses. The shaking of both the heavens and the earth has not yet occurred. We find this in Hebrews 12:25-27. After this shaking the one whom God calls Zerubbabel (the witness) will be made like Gods signet. A signet denotes power and authority to speak (witness) on behalf of Christ. Revelation 11:3. This will not yet be the final 1260 days this is just the beginning of their ministry.


The book of Haggai is divided by messages. It has some for the past 520 BC and some for now. The one I referenced has gone forth on 12/06/15. Don't worry, you'll see what I'm saying before too long. There are 2 shakings in the book of Haggai. Both future from now The one I've referenced will be soon. There is a simple way to tell if a message in Haggai is for the past, or for the future.

 

[Psalm3704]

The Elect consist of 144,000 first born male virgins, who never lie. The Elect does NOT consist of every Tom, Dick, and Harry.

You're able to realize all this just by quoting a dot?







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[Psalm3704]

actually that date represents the first day of Chanukah, which is the feast of dedication. The first day of Chanukah was at sundown on 12/06/2015 you might want to recheck your calendar to get the correct information. Haggai 2:20-23 is a message to one of the 2 witnesses. The shaking of both the heavens and the earth has not yet occurred. We find this in Hebrews 12:25-27. After this shaking the one whom God calls Zerubbabel (the witness) will be made like Gods signet. A signet denotes power and authority to speak (witness) on behalf of Christ. Revelation 11:3. This will not yet be the final 1260 days this is just the beginning of their ministry.

Was that how you determined the starting year of the tribulation being 2015 by observing the "first day of Chanukah, which is the feast of dedication. The first day of Chanukah was at sundown on 12/06/2015?"

I'm telling you, 2015 is not the right year. The year is given in the bible and it doesn't point to 2015. You have the right Jewish month and day: 24th day of Kislev, but the year is off based on numerous scriptures from the bible.

You have to look and take into consideration what it said in Haggai 2:18, the foundation of the temple is completed before God announced He'll shakes heaven and earth in Haggai 2:21. And construction of the foundation begins three months prior, Haggai 1:14-15. Currently the construction of a 3rd temple in Jerusalem hasn't started yet. There's nothing there except the dome of the rock. So it's impossible this prophecy implies 2015. Do you understand what I'm telling you here?

Of course Hebrews 12:25-27 hasn't happened yet. Hebrews 12 is about the rapture of the church which is still future, Hebrews 12:22-24.

The book of Haggai is divided by messages. It has some for the past 520 BC and some for now. The one I referenced has gone forth on 12/06/15. Don't worry, you'll see what I'm saying before too long. There are 2 shakings in the book of Haggai. Both future from now The one I've referenced will be soon. There is a simple way to tell if a message for Haggai is for the past, or for the future.

The book of Haggai is not historic, it's a complete prophetic book in both chapters. The old testament is broken down into two main categories: a historic book from Genesis to Esther. From the book of Isaiah to Malachi, it's all prophecy about Christ's first and second coming. Basically the prophecies are all events surrounding God and His coming as the Messiah. If you want the historic records of Cyrus, it's located in the book of Ezra. When prophets write their prophecies, they generally use the names of individual leaders and cities located in their time to depict the future. Example: When Isaiah writes prophecies about Persia, Elam or Media, he's prophesying the people and the place of modern day Iran using the ancient names in his generation.











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[Fusion77]

Was that how you determined the starting year of the tribulation being 2015 by observing the "first day of Chanukah, which is the feast of dedication. The first day of Chanukah was at sundown on 12/06/2015?"

I'm telling you, 2015 is not the right year. The year is given in the bible and it doesn't point to 2015. You have the right Jewish month and day: 24th day of Kislev, but the year is off based on numerous scriptures from the bible.

You have to look and take into consideration what it said in Haggai 2:18, the foundation of the temple is completed before God announced He'll shakes heaven and earth in Haggai 2:21. And construction of the foundation begins three months prior, Haggai 1:14-15. Currently the construction of a 3rd temple in Jerusalem hasn't started yet. There's nothing there except the dome of the rock. So it's impossible this prophecy implies 2015. Do you understand what I'm telling you here?

Of course Hebrews 12:25-27 hasn't happened yet. Hebrews 12 is about the rapture of the church which is still future, Hebrews 12:22-24.



The book of Haggai is not historic, it's a complete prophetic book in both chapters. The old testament is broken down into two main categories: a historic book from Genesis to Esther. From the book of Isaiah to Malachi, it's all prophecy about Christ's first and second coming. Basically the prophecies are all events surrounding God and His coming as the Messiah. If you want the historic records of Cyrus, it's located in the book of Ezra. When prophets write their prophecies, they generally use the names of individual leaders and cities located in their time to depict the future. Example: When Isaiah writes prophecies about Persia, Elam or Media, he's prophesying the people and the place of modern day Iran using the ancient names in his generation.











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Actually Haggai 1 is history, however, it does typify things that will occur. Do you notice how Darius's name is in the message as a timeline? THAT is how you know if it's a message for the past or for the future. Anytime a day or date is mentioned if Darius's name is NOT there, it's a message for the future (now). If it is there it was delivered in the past. This only applies for the book of Haggai.

Yes Haggai 2:18-19 is a message but it's only to the witness. Is the seed in the barn? Luke 8:11 the seed represents the word of God. It's not speaking of the physical foundation it's a message to a spiritual builder the witness (Zerubbabel). Ephesians 2:20 the foundation of a spiritual temple built on the apostles and prophets with Christ as the Cornerstone. Nothing has borne fruit, because his ministry (the witness) hasn't begun yet. It will soon! You'll see what I mean. Did you think Haggai 2:20-23 was a message to the Zerubbabel of the second temple era? Nope. He's long gone.

Oh, and I never said that the tribulation began last year. The message in Haggai and been spoken on that day. 2535 years to the day after the Lord spoke to Haggai. 12/6/2015, it's been spoken, but I can't give an exact date as to when it will occur. Most likely this year though. This won't begin the tribulation though. There's one more message in Haggai that will be spoken on the 8th day of the feast of tabernacles 20?. That will be the final message spoken in Haggai.

 

[Psalm3704]

Actually Haggai 1 is history, however, it does typify things that will occur. Do you notice how Darius's name is in the message as a timeline? THAT is how you know if it's a message for the past or for the future. Anytime a day or date is mentioned if Darius's name is NOT there, it's a message for the future (now). If it is there it was delivered in the past.

Really? So you're trying to tell me Haggai 1 was fulfilled around 500 BC when Darius ordered the temple to be rebuilt but the process of building the temple haven't started yet the last 2500 years because Haggai 2 is still future which foretells the construction of the temple? How did you decided to just jump 2500 years from 500 bc in Haggai chapter 1 to the end times in Haggai chapter 2? You do realize there was an existing temple in Jerusalem that was destroyed in 70 AD right?

Are you sure you're understanding the book of Haggai correctly?

Darius' name has nothing to do with it. King Nebuchadnezzar's name is mentioned twice in Jeremiah 25 which reveals God's judgement upon all the Muslim nations in the Middle East during the tribulation.

Show me any history book that reveals God destroying all those muslim nations and people below in Jeremiah 25:19-26 during King Nebuchadnezzar's reign from 605-562 bc. In fact, show me if all those muslim nations existed during Nebuchadnezzar's time. You definitely have a lot to learn about prophecy.

Jeremiah 25:1-38 GNT
1 In the fourth year that Jehoiakim son of Josiah was king of Judah, I received a message from the Lord concerning all the people of Judah. (This was the first year that Nebuchadnezzar was king of Babylonia.) 2 I said to all the people of Judah and of Jerusalem, 3 “For twenty-three years, from the thirteenth year that Josiah son of Amon was king of Judah until this very day, the Lord has spoken to me, and I have never failed to tell you what he said. But you have paid no attention. 4 You would not listen or pay attention, even though the Lord has continued to send you his servants the prophets. 5 They told you to turn from your wicked way of life and from the evil things you are doing, so that you could go on living in the land that the Lord gave you and your ancestors as a permanent possession. 6 They told you not to worship and serve other gods and not to make the Lord angry by worshiping the idols you had made. If you had obeyed the Lord, then he would not have punished you. 7 But the Lord himself says that you refused to listen to him. Instead, you made him angry with your idols and have brought his punishment on yourselves.

8 “So then, because you would not listen to him, the Lord Almighty says, 9 ‘I am going to send for all the peoples from the north and for my servant, King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylonia. I am going to bring them to fight against Judah and its inhabitants and against all the neighboring nations. I am going to destroy this nation and its neighbors and leave them in ruins forever, a terrible and shocking sight. I, the Lord, have spoken. 10 I will silence their shouts of joy and gladness and the happy sounds of wedding feasts. They will have no oil for their lamps, and there will be no more grain. 11 This whole land will be left in ruins and will be a shocking sight, and the neighboring nations will serve the king of Babylonia for seventy years. 12 After that I will punish Babylonia and its king for their sin. I will destroy that country and leave it in ruins forever. 13 I will punish Babylonia with all the disasters that I threatened to bring on the nations when I spoke through Jeremiah—all the disasters recorded in this book.14 I will pay the Babylonians back for what they have done, and many nations and great kings will make slaves of them.’”

15 The Lord, the God of Israel, said to me, “Here is a wine cup filled with my anger. Take it to all the nations to whom I send you, and make them drink from it. 16 When they drink from it, they will stagger and go out of their minds because of the war I am sending against them.”

17 So I took the cup from the Lord's hand, gave it to all the nations to whom theLord had sent me, and made them drink from it. 18 Jerusalem and all the towns of Judah, together with its kings and leaders, were made to drink from it, so that they would become a desert, a terrible and shocking sight, and so that people would use their name as a curse—as they still do.

19-26 Here is the list of all the others who had to drink from the cup:

the king of Egypt, his officials and leaders;
all the Egyptians and all the foreigners in Egypt;
all the kings of the land of Uz;
all the kings of the Philistine cities of Ashkelon, Gaza, Ekron, and what remains of Ashdod;
all the people of Edom, Moab, and Ammon;
all the kings of Tyre and Sidon;
all the kings of the Mediterranean lands;
the cities of Dedan, Tema, and Buz;
all the people who cut their hair short;
all the kings of Arabia;
all the kings of the desert tribes;
all the kings of Zimri, Elam, and Media;
all the kings of the north, far and near, one after another.

Every nation on the face of the earth had to drink from it. Last of all, the king of Babylonia will drink from it.

27 Then the Lord said to me, “Tell the people that I, the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, am commanding them to drink until they are drunk and vomit, until they fall down and cannot get up, because of the war that I am sending against them. 28 And if they refuse to take the cup from your hand and drink from it, then tell them that the Lord Almighty has said that they will still have to drink from it. 29 I will begin my work of destruction in my own city. Do they think they will go unpunished? No, they will be punished, for I am going to send war on all the people on earth. I, the Lord Almighty, have spoken.

30 “You, Jeremiah, must proclaim everything I have said. You must tell these people,

‘The Lord will roar from heaven
and thunder from the heights of heaven.
He will roar against his people;
he will shout like a man treading grapes.
Everyone on earth will hear him,
31 and the sound will echo to the ends of the earth.
The Lord has a case against the nations.
He will bring all people to trial
and put the wicked to death.
The Lord has spoken.’”

32 The Lord Almighty says that disaster is coming on one nation after another, and a great storm is gathering at the far ends of the earth. 33 On that day the bodies of those whom the Lord has killed will lie scattered from one end of the earth to the other. No one will mourn for them, and they will not be taken away and buried. They will lie on the ground like piles of manure.

34 Cry, you leaders, you shepherds of my people, cry out loud! Mourn and roll in the dust. The time has come for you to be slaughtered, and you will be butchered like rams. 35 There will be no way for you to escape. 36-37 You moan and cry out in distress because the Lord in his anger has destroyed your nation and left your peaceful country in ruins. 38 The Lord has abandoned his people like a lion that leaves its cave. The horrors of war and the Lord's fierce anger have turned the country into a desert.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jeremiah+25&version=GNT​

Yes Haggai 2:18-19 is a message but it's only to the witness. Is the seed in the barn? Luke 8:11 the seed represents the word of God. It's not speaking of the physical foundation it's a message to a spiritual builder the witness (Zerubbabel). Ephesians 2:20 the foundation of a spiritual temple built on the apostles and prophets with Christ as the Cornerstone. Nothing has borne fruit, because his ministry (the witness) hasn't begun yet. It will soon! You'll see what I mean. Did you think Haggai 2:20-23 was a message to the Zerubbabel of the second temple era? Nope. He's long gone.

Are you sure Haggai was speaking of a spiritual temple and not a literal temple?

Haggai 1:2-8 GNT
2 The Lord Almighty said to Haggai, “These people say that this is not the right time to rebuild the Temple.” 3 The Lord then gave this message to the people through the prophet Haggai: 4 “My people, why should you be living in well-built houses while my Temple lies in ruins? 5 Don't you see what is happening to you? 6 You have planted much grain, but have harvested very little. You have food to eat, but not enough to make you full. You have wine to drink, but not enough to get drunk on! You have clothing, but not enough to keep you warm. And workers cannot earn enough to live on. 7 Can't you see why this has happened? 8 Now go up into the hills, get lumber, and rebuild the Temple; then I will be pleased and will be worshiped as I should be.​

1) What kind of spiritual temple lies in ruins? Haggai 1:4

2) What kind of spiritual temple do you build with wood and lumber? Haggai 1:8

3) What kind of temple do you worship God in with animal sacrifice? Haggai 1:8

And pulling scriptures out of context - Ephesians 2:20 - to promote your view over the bible will get you into trouble someday, Revelation 22:18-19. You might want to think about this next time.

Oh, and I never said that the tribulation began last year. The message in Haggai and been spoken on that day. 2535 years to the day after the Lord spoke to Haggai. 12/6/2015, it's been spoken, but I can't give an exact date as to when it will occur. Most likely this year though. This won't begin the tribulation though. There's one more message in Haggai that will be spoken on the 8th day of the feast of tabernacles 20?. That will be the final message spoken in Haggai.

I know you didn't say that but you've been telling many people that based on the prophecy of Haggai, God will shake heaven and earth sometimes after 12/06/2015. You've been telling many people there will be a great war.

Now what happens if there's no major global war a month from now? 3 months from now? 6 months from now? 12 months from now? What are you gonna tell people then? Oh, I was hasty and the date I set was an error, maybe it's 12/06/2016 instead? It's the reason why I wrote to you in post#61. You're setting yourself up for a disappointment and people will eventually see you stick your foot in your mouth when it doesn't happen. Haggai said the foundation of the temple must be completed first before God shakes the world. Currently there's no temple being built in Jerusalem at this time. Go with what it said in the bible.

I'm telling you, rely on the bible, not your own theory. 12/06/2015 is the wrong year based on other prophecies in the bible. Now Israel will be in a war against ISIS and expand it's borders before the start of the tribulation, but it's not the great war you're hoping for. This is in the bible.










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[John S]

You're able to realize all this just by quoting a dot?







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I'm able to realize it because that is what Revelation says.

 

[justcoolforyou]

Wrong! The Jubilee Year will begin before the end of 2017, since Jerusalem was recaptured in 1967. Israel became a nation in 1948. Add 70 years to that (three score plus ten = one generation) and within this generation we will see Christ's return. So, the Great Tribulation will have begun before 2018. I could be wrong, but there's the math in addition to all the current events setting the stage as well. We could not suffer this Islamic movement for another 50 years -- please. There is a 15 minute video that explains the demographics of the Islamic movement and how it would (by numbers and force) transform the world within the next 30 years. A culture cannot survive unless it produces 2 children per family. Muslims have 4.5-6.5 children per family. Do the math and you'll see that Europe will be under Muslim authority and will be bowing down to Allah in 30 years if Jesus doesn't return soon. Btw, Islam is the "Beast" in Daniel and Revelation. Sorry to offend anyone, but Jesus is the only way. So all other religions need to listen to what Jesus claimed: I am the way, the truth and the life and NO ONE comes to the Father but by ME."

What the unprecedented Jubilee year of mercy of Pope Francis?

 

[Psalm3704]

I'm able to realize it because that is what Revelation says.

Great John. Can you also tell me what it says in Revelation 10:9-10?








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[Fusion77]

Really? So you're trying to tell me Haggai 1 was fulfilled around 500 BC when Darius ordered the temple to be rebuilt but the process of building the temple haven't started yet the last 2500 years because Haggai 2 is still future which foretells the construction of the temple? How did you decided to just jump 2500 years from 500 bc in Haggai chapter 1 to the end times in Haggai chapter 2? You do realize there was an existing temple in Jerusalem that was destroyed in 70 AD right?

Are you sure you're understanding the book of Haggai correctly?

Darius' name has nothing to do with it. King Nebuchadnezzar's name is mentioned twice in Jeremiah 25 which reveals God's judgement upon all the Muslim nations in the Middle East during the tribulation.

Show me any history book that reveals God destroying all those muslim nations and people below in Jeremiah 25:19-26 during King Nebuchadnezzar's reign from 605-562 bc. In fact, show me if all those muslim nations existed during Nebuchadnezzar's time. You definitely have a lot to learn about prophecy.

Jeremiah 25:1-38 GNT
1 In the fourth year that Jehoiakim son of Josiah was king of Judah, I received a message from the Lord concerning all the people of Judah. (This was the first year that Nebuchadnezzar was king of Babylonia.) 2 I said to all the people of Judah and of Jerusalem, 3 “For twenty-three years, from the thirteenth year that Josiah son of Amon was king of Judah until this very day, the Lord has spoken to me, and I have never failed to tell you what he said. But you have paid no attention. 4 You would not listen or pay attention, even though the Lord has continued to send you his servants the prophets. 5 They told you to turn from your wicked way of life and from the evil things you are doing, so that you could go on living in the land that the Lord gave you and your ancestors as a permanent possession. 6 They told you not to worship and serve other gods and not to make the Lord angry by worshiping the idols you had made. If you had obeyed the Lord, then he would not have punished you. 7 But the Lord himself says that you refused to listen to him. Instead, you made him angry with your idols and have brought his punishment on yourselves.

8 “So then, because you would not listen to him, the Lord Almighty says, 9 ‘I am going to send for all the peoples from the north and for my servant, King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylonia. I am going to bring them to fight against Judah and its inhabitants and against all the neighboring nations. I am going to destroy this nation and its neighbors and leave them in ruins forever, a terrible and shocking sight. I, the Lord, have spoken. 10 I will silence their shouts of joy and gladness and the happy sounds of wedding feasts. They will have no oil for their lamps, and there will be no more grain. 11 This whole land will be left in ruins and will be a shocking sight, and the neighboring nations will serve the king of Babylonia for seventy years. 12 After that I will punish Babylonia and its king for their sin. I will destroy that country and leave it in ruins forever. 13 I will punish Babylonia with all the disasters that I threatened to bring on the nations when I spoke through Jeremiah—all the disasters recorded in this book.14 I will pay the Babylonians back for what they have done, and many nations and great kings will make slaves of them.’”

15 The Lord, the God of Israel, said to me, “Here is a wine cup filled with my anger. Take it to all the nations to whom I send you, and make them drink from it. 16 When they drink from it, they will stagger and go out of their minds because of the war I am sending against them.”

17 So I took the cup from the Lord's hand, gave it to all the nations to whom theLord had sent me, and made them drink from it. 18 Jerusalem and all the towns of Judah, together with its kings and leaders, were made to drink from it, so that they would become a desert, a terrible and shocking sight, and so that people would use their name as a curse—as they still do.

19-26 Here is the list of all the others who had to drink from the cup:

the king of Egypt, his officials and leaders;
all the Egyptians and all the foreigners in Egypt;
all the kings of the land of Uz;
all the kings of the Philistine cities of Ashkelon, Gaza, Ekron, and what remains of Ashdod;
all the people of Edom, Moab, and Ammon;
all the kings of Tyre and Sidon;
all the kings of the Mediterranean lands;
the cities of Dedan, Tema, and Buz;
all the people who cut their hair short;
all the kings of Arabia;
all the kings of the desert tribes;
all the kings of Zimri, Elam, and Media;
all the kings of the north, far and near, one after another.

Every nation on the face of the earth had to drink from it. Last of all, the king of Babylonia will drink from it.

27 Then the Lord said to me, “Tell the people that I, the Lord Almighty, the God of Israel, am commanding them to drink until they are drunk and vomit, until they fall down and cannot get up, because of the war that I am sending against them. 28 And if they refuse to take the cup from your hand and drink from it, then tell them that the Lord Almighty has said that they will still have to drink from it. 29 I will begin my work of destruction in my own city. Do they think they will go unpunished? No, they will be punished, for I am going to send war on all the people on earth. I, the Lord Almighty, have spoken.

30 “You, Jeremiah, must proclaim everything I have said. You must tell these people,

‘The Lord will roar from heaven
and thunder from the heights of heaven.
He will roar against his people;
he will shout like a man treading grapes.
Everyone on earth will hear him,
31 and the sound will echo to the ends of the earth.
The Lord has a case against the nations.
He will bring all people to trial
and put the wicked to death.
The Lord has spoken.’”

32 The Lord Almighty says that disaster is coming on one nation after another, and a great storm is gathering at the far ends of the earth. 33 On that day the bodies of those whom the Lord has killed will lie scattered from one end of the earth to the other. No one will mourn for them, and they will not be taken away and buried. They will lie on the ground like piles of manure.

34 Cry, you leaders, you shepherds of my people, cry out loud! Mourn and roll in the dust. The time has come for you to be slaughtered, and you will be butchered like rams. 35 There will be no way for you to escape. 36-37 You moan and cry out in distress because the Lord in his anger has destroyed your nation and left your peaceful country in ruins. 38 The Lord has abandoned his people like a lion that leaves its cave. The horrors of war and the Lord's fierce anger have turned the country into a desert.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jeremiah+25&version=GNT​

Are you sure Haggai was speaking of a spiritual temple and not a literal temple?

Haggai 1:2-8 GNT
2 The Lord Almighty said to Haggai, “These people say that this is not the right time to rebuild the Temple.” 3 The Lord then gave this message to the people through the prophet Haggai: 4 “My people, why should you be living in well-built houses while my Temple lies in ruins? 5 Don't you see what is happening to you? 6 You have planted much grain, but have harvested very little. You have food to eat, but not enough to make you full. You have wine to drink, but not enough to get drunk on! You have clothing, but not enough to keep you warm. And workers cannot earn enough to live on. 7 Can't you see why this has happened? 8 Now go up into the hills, get lumber, and rebuild the Temple; then I will be pleased and will be worshiped as I should be.​

1) What kind of spiritual temple lies in ruins? Haggai 1:4

2) What kind of spiritual temple do you build with wood and lumber? Haggai 1:8

3) What kind of temple do you worship God in with animal sacrifice? Haggai 1:8

And pulling scriptures out of context - Ephesians 2:20 - to promote your view over the bible will get you into trouble someday, Revelation 22:18-19. You might want to think about this next time.



I know you didn't say that but you've been telling many people that based on the prophecy of Haggai, God will shake heaven and earth sometimes after 12/06/2015. You've been telling many people there will be a great war.

Now what happens if there's no major global war a month from now? 3 months from now? 6 months from now? 12 months from now? What are you gonna tell people then? Oh, I was hasty and the date I set was an error, maybe it's 12/06/2016 instead? It's the reason why I wrote to you in post#61. You're setting yourself up for a disappointment and people will eventually see you stick your foot in your mouth when it doesn't happen. Haggai said the foundation of the temple must be completed first before God shakes the world. Currently there's no temple being built in Jerusalem at this time. Go with what it said in the bible.

I'm telling you, rely on the bible, not your own theory. 12/06/2015 is the wrong year based on other prophecies in the bible. Now Israel will be in a war against ISIS and expand it's borders before the start of the tribulation, but it's not the great war you're hoping for. This is in the bible.










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Darius's name applies in the book of Haggai. Who said it applied in other books of the prophets? Haggai 1 is all about a physical temple and the past. This rebuilding of the second temple structure occurred around 520 BC - 516 BC. That's a past message describes the completion of the second temple. Ezra 6:15 or are you saying Ezra was wrong? No!

You don't understand the book of Haggai. Haggai 1 is past messages. Haggai 2:10-17 are past messages. The other messages are for us now. Zerubbabel is a type of the witness 100% in Zechariah 4 and Haggai 2. These messages are to him and later to the church. So because I'm warning people that the Lord has shown me that He spoke this message on 12/06/15 I'm setting myself up for disappointment? I don't know when this will occur, I'm just sure He has spoken this message. It's seems like it should be this year though. Haggai 2:20-23 definitely describes some kind of a war. It will shake both the heavens and the earth.

God showed me the true meaning of Zechariah 3 and Zechariah 4. He also showed me the true meaning of Haggai. Zechariah 4 was Gods first message to 1 of the 2 witnesses? Haggai 2:20-23 is His second message.

Let me ask you. Do you think Zechariah 4:9 is speaking of physical building?

 

[John S]

Great John. Can you also tell me what it says in Revelation 10:9-10?








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Revelation 10:9-10 has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Elect.
Why are you asking such a smarta** question?

 

[Dave Watchman]

You're setting yourself up for a disappointment and people will eventually see you stick your foot in your mouth when it doesn't happen. Haggai said the foundation of the temple must be completed first before God shakes the world. Currently there's no temple being built in Jerusalem at this time.

I don't know about Haggai. It sounds to me like a historical and local prophecy which speaks to the people returning from the Nebuchadnezzar exile. It sounds like they're talking about building the temple that Jesus would spend time in that God has now destroyed.

God had 3 prophets in operation at the same time; Ezekiel, Jeremiah and Daniel. These three were being given different schematics or divergent eschatological outcomes. Daniel 9 contains the key or deciding stipulations of whether or not we would get the Ezekiel temple or whether we ourselves would BE the Temple. I'm afraid that the vision and prophet is now sealed and we are in the Daniel/Revelation time zone.

I also think that the tribulation may have already started and I'm not afraid of looking like a dummy when or if I'm found to be wrong. If it did already begin, December 2015 would be too late, June 2015 would be the latest for the 1290 day count to begin. I think if we can get past early 2019 and nothing of a major prophetic nature take place, then I'm a banging gong and a clanging symbol. Then I'll go away and get to work on a nice big pole barn that I've been planning.

Remember when King David lined up that army and counted them off by thirds? He spared every third person and killed all the rest. Then 12 times 1/3 is destroyed in Revelation 8 and 9 but 2/3s are spared. And when the great city is split into thirds, does that sound like all 3 thirds are totally destroyed? 2/3s of 1000 = 666.666667. So having previously ruled out a 7 year span of time for the appointed time of the end, I've considered 1335 days and arrived at this as being the likely candidate. If 1335 is split into thirds there are 3 segments of 445 days. 1335 literal days fit in between two sets of solar and lunar eclipses. If you slide these days all the way over to the right so that the 1335th day touches the last solar eclipse, the first 1/3 of the 1335 day span would finish with July 2016.

But forget about all this. There's a total of six different things that either point to 2015 as a start or 2019 as the finish and one of these things are pointing to both ends at the same time. There's going to be nothing to replace these things in history past. The Suleiman decree of 1535, the Fig tree of 1948 + a 70 year generation, the Knesset decree on Passover eve 1969,+ Newton's Jubilee calculation of 49 years, 7 sets of 70 weeks since the Exodus bringing us to 1994 when comet Shoemaker–Levy 9 smacked into Jupiter 21 times (21 + 1994) and now the solar/lunar eclipse of our tetrads connecting with another solar/lunar eclipse in 2019. I just don't see a repeat set up of anything like these things happening ever again.

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/fullness-of-the-gentiles-a-poll.7807182/#post-66025147

 

[Psalm3704]

I don't know about Haggai. It sounds to me like a historical and local prophecy which speaks to the people returning from the Nebuchadnezzar exile. It sounds like they're talking about building the temple that Jesus would spend time in that God has now destroyed.

God had 3 prophets in operation at the same time; Ezekiel, Jeremiah and Daniel. These three were being given different schematics or divergent eschatological outcomes. Daniel 9 contains the key or deciding stipulations of whether or not we would get the Ezekiel temple or whether we ourselves would BE the Temple. I'm afraid that the vision and prophet is now sealed and we are in the Daniel/Revelation time zone.

I also think that the tribulation may have already started and I'm not afraid of looking like a dummy when or if I'm found to be wrong. If it did already begin, December 2015 would be too late, June 2015 would be the latest for the 1290 day count to begin. I think if we can get past early 2019 and nothing of a major prophetic nature take place, then I'm a banging gong and a clanging symbol. Then I'll go away and get to work on a nice big pole barn that I've been planning.

I noticed that about you Dave, you do make quite a bit of mistakes in your view of prophecy. Having no concerns of looking like a dummy to others can cause one to make a lot of mistakes that can easily be avoided by merely reading the bible with a little common sense.

Example below concerning Haggai's prophecy comparing what Haggai said vs Daniel's and Ezra's description on the rebuilding of the temple and Jerusalem.

The second temple that was built was done during troublesome times: Daniel 9:24-25 and confirmed in Ezra 4.

The temple to be built and Jerusalem prophesied by Haggai will be done during a time of prosperity and great blessings upon Jerusalem: Haggai 2:6-9, Haggai 2:15-19.

Daniel 9:24-25 NLT
"A period of seventy sets of seven has been decreed for your people and your holy city to finish their rebellion, to put an end to their sin, to atone for their guilt, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to confirm the prophetic vision, and to anoint the Most Holy Place. Now listen and understand! Seven sets of seven plus sixty-two sets of seven will pass from the time the command is given to rebuild Jerusalem until a ruler--the Anointed One--comes. Jerusalem will be rebuilt with streets and strong defenses, despite the perilous times.

Ezra 4:4-5 NLT
Then the local residents tried to discourage and frighten the people of Judah to keep them from their work. They bribed agents to work against them and to frustrate their plans. This went on during the entire reign of King Cyrus of Persia and lasted until King Darius of Persia took the throne.

Ezra 4:12-13 NLT
“The king should know that the Jews who came here to Jerusalem from Babylon are rebuilding this rebellious and evil city. They have already laid the foundation and will soon finish its walls. And the king should know that if this city is rebuilt and its walls are completed, it will be much to your disadvantage, for the Jews will then refuse to pay their tribute, customs, and tolls to you.​

Haggai 2:6-9 NLT
6 “For this is what the Lord of Heaven’s Armies says: In just a little while I will again shake the heavens and the earth, the oceans and the dry land.7 I will shake all the nations, and the treasures of all the nations will be brought to this Temple. I will fill this place with glory, says the Lord of Heaven’s Armies. 8 The silver is mine, and the gold is mine, says the Lord of Heaven’s Armies. 9 The future glory of this Temple will be greater than its past glory, says the Lord of Heaven’s Armies. And in this place I will bring peace. I, the Lord of Heaven’s Armies, have spoken!”

Haggai 2:15-19 NLT
15 Look at what was happening to you before you began to lay the foundation of the Lord’s Temple. 16 When you hoped for a twenty-bushel crop, you harvested only ten. When you expected to draw fifty gallons from the winepress, you found only twenty. 17 I sent blight and mildew and hail to destroy everything you worked so hard to produce. Even so, you refused to return to me, says the Lord.

18 “Think about this eighteenth day of December, the day when the foundation of the Lord’s Temple was laid. Think carefully. 19 I am giving you a promise now while the seed is still in the barn. You have not yet harvested your grain, and your grapevines, fig trees, pomegranates, and olive trees have not yet produced their crops. But from this day onward I will bless you.”​

Dave,

Do you understand what the scriptures above means? One temple and Jerusalem was built against adversity without God's blessings. Nowhere do you find in the book of Ezra a shaking of the heavens and the earth at the time of this temple being built.

The other temple mentioned by Haggai is being built at a time when Jerusalem is in great prosperity. Great wealth from everywhere will be brought into this temple. Shortly after the foundation of this temple is completed, God will shake the heavens and the earth. This is only found in the book of Haggai. Do you understand what this temple is Haggai is prophesying over? It's the 3rd temple, the next temple that will be built and completed in Jerusalem during the first year of the tribulation. Gentiles from everywhere will come help the Israelites complete the Temple, Zechariah 6:15.

Do you know why so many riches from all over the world will be brought into the temple during the first half of the tribulation and what God's purpose is for? Daniel 11:24, Ezekiel 38:12.

Daniel 11:24 NIV
When the richest provinces feel secure, he will invade them and will achieve what neither his fathers nor his forefathers did. He will distribute plunder, loot and wealth among his followers. He will plot the overthrow of fortresses--but only for a time.

Ezekiel 38:12 NLT
I will plunder and loot and turn my hand against the resettled ruins and the people gathered from the nations, rich in livestock and goods, living at the center of the land."​

And you got it wrong too Dave. The next temple to be built is NOT Ezekiel's Temple. Ezekiel's Temple is the 4th and final temple to be built in the millennium for Christ: Ezekiel 40-47. Ezekiel's temple will be built on Mount Zion and is a huge temple, roughly four times that of Zerubbabel's temple mentioned in Haggai that's to be built on Mount Moriah, the existing location of the temple mount, a relatively small temple, Revelation 11:1-2, Zechariah 2:1-2.

Remember when King David lined up that army and counted them off by thirds?

Nope, sure don't!

He spared every third person and killed all the rest. Then 12 times 1/3 is destroyed in Revelation 8 and 9 but 2/3s are spared. And when the great city is split into thirds, does that sound like all 3 thirds are totally destroyed? 2/3s of 1000 = 666.666667. So having previously ruled out a 7 year span of time for the appointed time of the end, I've considered 1335 days and arrived at this as being the likely candidate. If 1335 is split into thirds there are 3 segments of 445 days. 1335 literal days fit in between two sets of solar and lunar eclipses. If you slide these days all the way over to the right so that the 1335th day touches the last solar eclipse, the first 1/3 of the 1335 day span would finish with July 2016.

But forget about all this. There's a total of six different things that either point to 2015 as a start or 2019 as the finish and one of these things are pointing to both ends at the same time. There's going to be nothing to replace these things in history past. The Suleiman decree of 1535, the Fig tree of 1948 + a 70 year generation, the Knesset decree on Passover eve 1969,+ Newton's Jubilee calculation of 49 years, 7 sets of 70 weeks since the Exodus bringing us to 1994 when comet Shoemaker–Levy 9 smacked into Jupiter 21 times (21 + 1994) and now the solar/lunar eclipse of our tetrads connecting with another solar/lunar eclipse in 2019. I just don't see a repeat set up of anything like these things happening ever again.

But if you like crunching numbers, the year the tribulation commences is given in the bible and hidden in numerous scriptures. Falls on the exact same year in the hebrew calendar Haggai mentioned God will bless Jerusalem and shake heaven and earth.

Exodus (end of 1st Exile) = 2448 HC First Exile period = 430 yrs 2448 – 430 = 2018 HC God’s Covenant with Abraham = 2018 HC First Exile Began = 2018 HC End of Exile, Revelation of the Light of the Creator and Divine Peace = 5778 HC 5778 ‐ 2448 = 3330 yrs Jubilee yr = 50 yrs 3330/50 = 66.6 2448/5778 = .424 424 = numerical value of 7 Mashiach Ben David, the Messiah. 3330 + 430 = 3760 3760 – 430 = 3330 5778 (HC) = 2018 CE 5778 ‐ 2018 = 3760 3760 (HC) = "0" CE 3760 = 10 x 376 376 = numerical value of Esau

The First Temple was destroyed in 3338 HC. 3338 = 422 BCE The Second Temple was built in 352 BCE. The Second Temple was destroyed in 70 CE. 352 BCE to 70 CE = 422 years. The numerical value of the word for 70 in Hebrew (שבעים) is 422. King David lived for 70 years. Israeli Statehood in 5708 HC End of Exile, Divine Peace year 5778 HC 5778 – 5708 = 70 years

Abraham born in 1948 HC Israeli Statehood in 1948 CE God’s Covenant with Abraham = 2018 HC 2018 – 1948 = 70 years from Abraham’s birth to Covenant with G‐d 2018 – 1948 = 70 years from Israeli Statehood to Messiah End of Exile, Divine Peace year = 2018 CE

The First Temple stood for 410 Years. The Second Temple stood for 422 Years. The total both Temples stood = 410 + 422 = 832 Years. The First Temple was constructed in 2928 HC. 3760 (HC) = "0" CE 3760 ‐ 2928 = 832 Years 2928 HC = 832 BCE Flood Occurred = 1656 HC Moses Died = 2488 HC 2488 – 1656 = 832 years The Final Redemption= 5778 5778 HC = 2018 CE Covenant of Abraham = 2018 HC 5778 – 2018 = 3760 3760 – 832 = 2928 years of exile from the Temples 5778 – 832 = 4946 4946 – 2928 = 2018 √4946 = 70.32 832/26 = 32 26 = Value of The Tetragrammaton 26 x 32 = 832 Letters in the Tetragrammaton = 4 The # of the letter “ד” Dalets in the Torah = 7032 The letter Dalet = 4 The number of exiles = 4 The Nations of current exile = 70









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[Psalm3704]

Revelation 10:9-10 has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Elect.

Neither did the dot you quoted in post #62.

Why are you asking such a smarta** question?

"Because that is what Revelation says."

And I have no idea why John ate the book. Do you?








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[Psalm3704]

You don't understand the book of Haggai. Haggai 1 is past messages. Haggai 2:10-17 are past messages. The other messages are for us now.

God showed me the true meaning of Zechariah 3 and Zechariah 4. He also showed me the true meaning of Haggai.Zechariah 4 was Gods first message to 1 of the 2 witnesses? Haggai 2:20-23 is His second message.

You're about as lost as one who doesn't know their right foot from their left. Where do you get such nonsense that Haggai chapter 1 and Haggai 2:10-17 was fulfilled and the rest of the book is future? How do you come off thinking Haggai 2:10-17 is past and 3 verses later in Haggai 2:20-23 it's future?

Do you think God told you this? I think not! The bible don't lie and neither does God. If God gave you any revelation about the book of Haggai, it would be consistent with what's written the bible. How do you know what you heard is not deceptions from the other guy? Everyone can hear from both sides, no one is immune to deception.

I don't even think you've done any homework in the bible to see the differences in the building of the temple mentioned by Ezra and Daniel verses the temple mentioned by Haggai. If you understand both books, you can easily see with a little logic they are clearly two descriptions of two different temples.












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[Fusion77]

You're about as lost as one who doesn't know their right foot from their left. Where do you get such nonsense that Haggai chapter 1 and Haggai 2:10-17 was fulfilled and the rest of the book is future? How do you come off thinking Haggai 2:10-17 is past and 3 verses later in Haggai 2:20-23 it's future?

Do you think God told you this? I think not! The bible don't lie and neither does God. If God gave you any revelation about the book of Haggai, it would be consistent with what's written the bible. How do you know what you heard is not deceptions from the other guy? Everyone can hear from both sides, no one is immune to deception.

I don't even think you've done any homework in the bible to see the differences in the building of the temple mentioned by Ezra and Daniel verses the temple mentioned by Haggai. If you understand both books, you can easily see with a little logic they are clearly two descriptions of two different temples.












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Ok. Whatever. It doesn't really matter to me. I'm just speaking what the Lord has shown me, and it's true.

I know 100 percent that I've heard from Lord directly on this. Everything I've been shown is supported by scripture. Nobody, that I've ever heard understands the true meaning of Zechariah 4. Not saying nobody has ever known, just that I've never seen anybody that knows. Right now we disagree, but I GUARANTEE you, there will be a time when you understand what I'm saying is true.

 

[Fusion77]

You're about as lost as one who doesn't know their right foot from their left. Where do you get such nonsense that Haggai chapter 1 and Haggai 2:10-17 was fulfilled and the rest of the book is future? How do you come off thinking Haggai 2:10-17 is past and 3 verses later in Haggai 2:20-23 it's future?

Do you think God told you this? I think not! The bible don't lie and neither does God. If God gave you any revelation about the book of Haggai, it would be consistent with what's written the bible. How do you know what you heard is not deceptions from the other guy? Everyone can hear from both sides, no one is immune to deception.

I don't even think you've done any homework in the bible to see the differences in the building of the temple mentioned by Ezra and Daniel verses the temple mentioned by Haggai. If you understand both books, you can easily see with a little logic they are clearly two descriptions of two different temples.












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First of all we know Haggai 2:10-17 is past because we see a dialogue. He asks the priests about the law and they answer. The message is given to Haggai and he delivers it to the priests. Then the Lord points out to them their grim past, and present.

In Haggai 2:18-19 we see a day/date mentioned without Darius's name, that brings it to the future. When God says He will bless you from that DAY forward he means it. Were the People in that day blessed from that day forward? No! Nehemiah 5:1-5 is REALLY CLEAR there was still a famine in the land NO blessings. To the point were they were starving and selling their children into slavery.

Haggai 2:20-23 again, a day or date mentioned and Darius's name not there. Message for the future (from that time) an unfulfilled event. God has NOT yet shaken both the heavens and the earth. We know this from Hebrews 12:25-27. The Zerubbabel of the second temple era was gone by the time Hebrews was written. This is a message to the one whom God calls Zerubbabel (1 of the 2 witnesses).

Look real close at Haggai 1:1 it says the Word of the Lordcame to Haggai the prophet and was delivered to Zerubbabel and Joshua. After that we see an action taken and things accomplished. Haggai 1:12-13. You see them being obedient and starting the rebuilding the SECOND TEMPLE structure. Therefore, we can tell this was in the past Haggai 1:1 a message from Haggai delivered to the people. After that you see the people respond to the message and rebuild the SECOND Temple structure. Haggai 2:10-17 you see questions asked and QUESTIONS ANSWERED. An actual dialogue these were in the past!

Haggai 2:1-9 Darius's name not there. It's Future. Haggai 2:5 when did the Lord make a covenant with the nation of Israel that His Spirit would remain in their midst, when they came out if Egypt? Or do you think it's to Zerubbabel and Joshua, who returned from exile in Babylon? Was it when 1 Corinthians 10:6-10 or when they sacrificed their children to molech? When they engaged in orgies and idolatry? No! Was the Spirit of God abiding in their midst then? I think not! They were led out of Egypt by the Mighty Hand of the Lord Deuteronomy 26:8 and then Jeremiah 32:21 but didn't have the promise of His Spirit, to abide in their midst. He gave them instruction by His Good Spirit, but no covenant with them that His Spirit would abide in their midst.Haggai 2:5 refers to Zechariah 4:6 when the witness was called out of sin (Egypt) and shown who he was (Zechariah 4 is all about the 2 witnesses specifically a message to 1 of the witnesses, and nothing else). Then also the covenant we have as believers, when we where saved from sin (Egypt).Or wait do you think Haggai 2:9 is speaking of a temple in the past or even the 3rd temple? Nope! It's speaking of a temple where there will be PEACE. There will be no peace until after Christ returns. Oh and the shaking in Haggai 2:6-8 is the final shaking. Again we know this has not yet occurred as well. This is the same as Zechariah 14:12-14 the Gold will be gathered. The "work" is not physical work the remnant of the people and the witnesses will be doing. It's spiritual work. It's witnessing to a lost and dying world.

There's actually a direct reference to the 2nd and millenial temple in the book of Haggai. However I can see a reference to the third (tribulation period) temple as well. Even a reference to the first one in Haggai 2:9 the latter (Millenial) will be greater than the former (likely speaking of the first). Which is what the original language seems to indicate. The second temple is found. The second temple is the only temple spoken of in Haggai 1. Ezra 6:14-15 CLEARLY tells us this.

 

[John S]

Neither did the dot you quoted in post #62.





"Because that is what Revelation says."

And I have no idea why John ate the book. Do you?








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1.What is a "dot"?
2. John ate the book because he was told to eat it - and as I said, the eating of the scroll has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Elect.