Here's my problem, I believe in evolution, and it brings up doubts especially in the OT...

[TLK Valentine]

Once again I ask "Are you saying a new trait doesn't require an increase of information?"

Define "information."

 

[-57]

Evolution is NON-RANDOM

Yes, you're right....the mutations know exactly where to occur. Nothing random.

 

[Reasoning]

Yes, you're right....the mutations know exactly where to occur. Nothing random.

No, the mutations are random. But natural selection is a non-random process.

 

[-57]

Define "information."

Lets see if you can figure it out.....would you say there is information in the code that runs your computer?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Lets see if you can figure it out.....would you say there is information in the code that runs your computer?

Define "information."

 

[-57]

No, the mutations are random. But natural selection is a non-random process.

Natural selection is debatable....considering the changing circumstances that would allow for something to be selected.

 

[-57]

Define "information."

Once again...is there information in the code that runs your computer?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Once again...is there information in the code that runs your computer?

Define "information."

 

[-57]

Define "information."

OK, your stuck...I get it. But, if you can't answer my question....is there information in the DNA code? I'm going to find it difficult to answer your belaboring question.

 

[TLK Valentine]

OK, your stuck...I get it. But, if you can't answer my question....is there information in the DNA code? I'm going to find it difficult to answer your belaboring question.

Define "information."

This is a simple request; why can't you do it?

 

[-57]

How are you quantifying information?

Wouldn't you think it would have something to do with the code in the DNA being able to pass on and instruct organelle how to build other organelle in the cell?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Wouldn't you think it would have something to do with the code in the DNA being able to pass on and instruct organelle how to build other organelle in the cell?

So it's something that "has something to do" with making DNA code do stuff... Is that the best you got?

 

[-57]

So it's something that "has something to do" with making DNA code do stuff... Is that the best you got?

I'm waiting for you to answer my question....is there information in the code that runs your computer?
.....until you answer that I'm going to scroll on by you.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I'm waiting for you to answer my question....is there information in the code that runs your computer?
.....until you answer that I'm going to scroll on by you.

Is there what?

Define "information."

 

[Reasoning]

Natural selection is debatable....considering the changing circumstances that would allow for something to be selected.

What do you mean by that?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I'm waiting for you to answer my question....is there information in the code that runs your computer?
.....until you answer that I'm going to scroll on by you.

You don't seem to understand how this works. The "information" claim is yours. You are responsible for undefined terms. The same applies to us if we make a positive claim. If you can't define "information" as you are trying to use it, then we do not even have to try to refute your claim. That would mean that you had no claim to start with.

 

[-57]

What do you mean by that?

One day a little more leg like migh be beneficial...then the next day a little more fin like might be better.

 

[-57]

You don't seem to understand how this works. The "information" claim is yours. You are responsible for undefined terms. The same applies to us if we make a positive claim. If you can't define "information" as you are trying to use it, then we do not even have to try to refute your claim. That would mean that you had no claim to start with.

So, if I get this right....you are saying there is no information contained in DNA? Yes?

 

[Subduction Zone]

So, if I get this right....you are saying there is no information contained in DNA? Yes?

I neither said that or even implied that. And since you can't define the term "information" I cannot even answer that question.

You are not a newbie here. You must know the basic rules of debate by now.

 

[Subduction Zone]

One day a little more leg like migh be beneficial...then the next day a little more fin like might be better.

That does not mean that natural selection is debatable. All it reflects is that fact that where a mutation is beneficial or not is dependent on the environment that it occurs in. It seems that you do not even know the basics of what you are trying to argue against. If you don't understand the theory of evolution you will have a very difficult time refuting it.