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Does Science Agree With the Bible?
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I'd just like you to try to understand how odd it is to accuse science of being dishonest or wrong.
Science is, simply put, the most effective means of examining the world that we have. We make observations and we attempt to build models based on those observations. If science says that God is a liar, than this is nothing more or less than our observations of the world around us telling us that God is a liar.
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We all do the same thing every day. I get that. But that doesn't mean we are correct, it means we assume we are correct, not based on all there is to know, but based on all we know regardless. It's nothing to be proud of. And if we contradict someone more in the know than we, we should be asking questions, not boasting superior knowledge and calling the other guy a liar. Like I said.
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Right, but this essentially tells us what we can and do currently know. We have no better way of knowing. And if science tells us that what is stated in the bible is wrong, then we should think long and hard about that. If science calls god a liar, then it means he lied to us. He either lied to us by giving us false information in the bible, or he lied to us by forming the earth in such a way that it was guaranteed to fool us. RickG's signature has an excellent quote describing exactly this phenomenon. Neither option paints a good picture of a benevolent deity who wants us to know him.
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Liar?
Thats a little strong.
More like: science tells us aspects of the Bible are mythological or poetic.
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You assume that science tells you the truth and never consider that you are believing a lie or that you are being led down a path which you are determined to walk. God has placed before all people a path of life and path of death, and you have chosen death, and will receive it.
As for us who trust in God in spite of what we see in the world, He has given us life, and for seeing more in Him than in the world, He has shown us all the more. But we give Him the glory, for even the smallest glimpse, it is He who reveals it.
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IMO that's a bit of a cop-out. It's one thing to "trust God". It's quite another thing entirely to trust in your own "infallible" ability to "interpret" the Bible correctly.
Science is simply the study of God's creation IMO. The only thing it tells us is *how* God works/creates. It doesn't pose any actual threat to "God", even if it does pose a threat to a literal interpretation of Genesis.
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It stands on the shifting sands it calls its own reality, not even knowing where it came from. It is not I who have not offered, it is they who have not heard.
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. . . said no scientist ever.
Do you really think that stuff you make up has any bearing on reality?
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If one only has the words, then they must "interpret." But if one has God, they need not "interpret."
If all one has is the study of what God has created...study away.
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Do you really think that fixing points of reference and making claims of would-be facts in an ever-changing unknown, while whirling through space and time...has any more going for it, than a bug on a leaf in at tornado? [Rhetorical]
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I know you might think this was a response to my statement, but it really isn't. If the evidence we've found by examining the world around us points unequivocally to an earth that is at least 4 billion years old, then one of three things must necessarily have happened:
1. God lied in the bible
2. You are interpreting the bible incorrectly
3. God created the world intentionally to fool us
So which is it?
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Whats wrong with poetry and myth?
Even many Christians think portions of the Bible should be viewed that way.
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Number three is almost right. Except the "fooling" has a purpose, and it rains down equally upon good and bad alike.
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Here lies the body of durangodawood, whose life was a poetic myth. What's wrong with that? [Rhetorical]
The word of God is His story.
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