No Time, No Age.

[digitalgoth]

Greater still, the point of the Original Post, is that as a mere "creation", Time means little more than the illusion that even science has determined. Meaning: If they are right about Time, then they are wrong about the age of the universe. Meanwhile, claiming to be right on both, they are by definition, schizophrenic.

From the DSM IV:

Schizophrenia, a term introduced by Bleuler, names a persistent, often chronic and usually serious mental disorder affecting a variety of aspects of behavior, thinking, and emotion. Patients with delusions or hallucinations may be described as psychotic. Thinking may be disconnected and illogical. Peculiar behaviors may be associated with social withdrawal and disinterest.

 

[Loudmouth]

How does science stand its ground on the age of the universe, when science cannot agree that Time is anything but an illusion?

Where did you show that time is an illusion?

 

[ScottA]

Who says time is an illusion?

My understanding is that it is a dimension. Dosen't seem very illusionistical.

Einstein. http://everythingforever.com/einstein.htm

 

[ScottA]

What does the Bible say about time?

That it was "created", it is "passing away", and that with our Creator, "there is no shadow of turning."

 

[ScottA]

I think he is trying to say "How do we know that time has been constant".

There are theories out there that believe that the speed of light is slowing down. This would change the rate of the passing of time.

More than that...Time is a total fabrication. That is what "created" means.

 

[Loudmouth]

Einstein. http://everythingforever.com/einstein.htm

Einstein clearly states that time is a part of our reality.

"Since there exists in this four dimensional structure [space-time] . . ."

 

[ScottA]

Where did you show that time is an illusion?

I am merely quoting, in paraphrase, the schizophrenia of science. I refer you to them.

 

[ScottA]

Einstein clearly states that time is a part of our reality.

"Since there exists in this four dimensional structure [space-time] . . ."

If you want to call a "created" dimensional structure reality...you are not alone. But that is only part of the available information.

 

[durangodawood]

That it was "created", it is "passing away", and that with our Creator, "there is no shadow of turning."

Sounds like the Bible says time is real, even if its not permanent.

 

[Loudmouth]

If you want to call a "created" dimensional structure reality...

Einstein says that spacetime is real. Never does Einstein claim that spacetime is created by a deity.

All you really have is your unfounded claims.

 

[Loudmouth]

I am merely quoting, in paraphrase, the schizophrenia of science. I refer you to them.

The only schizo appears to be you. You are citing scientists who clearly state that spacetime is real.

 

[digitalgoth]

I am merely quoting, in paraphrase, the schizophrenia of science. I refer you to them.

You can't both quote, and paraphrase, simultaneously. You could quote something, then offer an analysis of the quote, but you can't do both, because then you're paraphrasing then quoting yourself.

Besides, couldn't the same be said of religion? Science is generally not the one pushing that hallucinations are real, or believing in disproven ideas, or that you can saddle dinosaurs and run them around because one thinks that's how it happened.

 

[ScottA]

Sounds like the Bible says time is real, even if its not permanent.

God is real. Time is "created."

 

[ScottA]

Einstein says that spacetime is real. Never does Einstein claim that spacetime is created by a deity.

All you really have is your unfounded claims.

The only schizo appears to be you. You are citing scientists who clearly state that spacetime is real.

Science came up with the equation, but can't even do the math, nor can you apparently. I did the math. Call me what you will. It ain't that difficult.

 

[durangodawood]

God is real. Time is "created."

The creations of God are not real?

 

[The Cadet]

Einstein.

You've completely mangled Einstein's meaning. That time is a fourth dimension does not make it an illusion or change our complete inability to change our direction or speed through it.

 

[ScottA]

You can't both quote, and paraphrase, simultaneously. You could quote something, then offer an analysis of the quote, but you can't do both, because then you're paraphrasing then quoting yourself.

Besides, couldn't the same be said of religion? Science is generally not the one pushing that hallucinations are real, or believing in disproven ideas, or that you can saddle dinosaurs and run them around because one thinks that's how it happened.

That is called, getting the just of things. Their facts speak for themselves, regardless of me paraphrasing. Don't make things so difficult...lest you get stuck in a side trip of semantic rant.

Who said anything about hallucinations and disproved ideas? [Rhetorical] You did, science did. We "know" what we know, and you do not. Everything you do not know, is fantasy? Whose hallucinating now? See how you are?

 

[ScottA]

The creations of God are not real?

Your definition of "real" is lacking. The only thing you know, does not define reality.

Think about it. If a child ask you if there was a world beyond their little world, would you say, "No dear, this is it?"

 

[durangodawood]

Your definition of "real" is lacking. The only thing you know, does not define reality.

Think about it. If a child ask you if there was a world beyond their little world, would you say, "No dear, this is it?"

So the creation is "good", but not "real"?

 

[ScottA]

You've completely mangled Einstein's meaning. That time is a fourth dimension does not make it an illusion or change our complete inability to change our direction or speed through it.

"Illusion" was Einstein's word. Whose guilty of "interpretation" now?