Here's my problem, I believe in evolution, and it brings up doubts especially in the OT...

[bhsmte]

I thought I said yes...but they are deceived and polluting scripture with that false belief.

Opinion.

 

[46AND2]

I thought I said yes...but they are deceived and polluting scripture with that false belief.

How do you know it is not you who is being deceived and polluting scripture with false belief?

 

[bhsmte]

How do you know it is not you who is being deceived and polluting scripture with false belief?

It would appear by the content of his posts, him being deceived, is simply not possible.

But, maybe the poster in question will clarify, if I am wrong.

 

[TLK Valentine]

If you're a theo-evo you would have to say a mutation.

Wouldn't "a choice" be more accurate?

 

[Doveaman]

I dont believe God planted word for word the bible in anyone's head. I dont think the bible is claimed to be the word for word of God in the way that every word was what God said. The bible says all scripture is God breathed and useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,. Its not a science book. 2 Timothy 3:16. To me God breathed means God inspired. Not Gods actual words and not all our words but a mixture of both which still relays a message about God. They are words inspired from God and filtered through our human perspective. That is why some of the scripture may seem contradictory. Thats because each person will apply what God is showing them form their perspective.

That Scripture sometimes "seem contradictory" is correct, rather than actually being contradictory, otherwise it would not be "useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness."

Anything that is contradictory is not a reliable source for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness. It must be accurate, otherwise we will be led into error.

 

[Doveaman]

Your quote is based on Scripture:

Luke 12:15:
"A man's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions."

Ecclesiastes 5:10:
"Whoever loves money never has money enough; whoever loves wealth is never satisfied with his income."

Proverbs 16:16:
"How much better to get wisdom than gold, to choose understanding rather than silver!"

 

[-57]

Wouldn't "a choice" be more accurate?

In reality it was deception...and a bad choice. In the Theo-Evo world...some where in the so-called evolutionary linage of man...man evolved the ability to sin.

 

[TLK Valentine]

In reality it was deception...and a bad choice. In the Theo-Evo world...some where in the so-called evolutionary linage of man...man evolved the ability to sin.

Since sin is the ability to choose to disobey God, that would be somewhere around the time man started speaking on God's behalf, and needed an excuse to go after the other men who didn't believe them.

 

[-57]

Since sin is the ability to choose to disobey God, that would be somewhere around the time man started speaking on God's behalf, and needed an excuse to go after the other men who didn't believe them.

That could be a theo-evo belief. But this would contradict scripture where it said sin and death entered through ONE man.

Just for the record, having the ability to disobey God isn't sin.

 

[TLK Valentine]

That could be a theo-evo belief. But this would contradict scripture where it said sin and death entered through ONE man.

That was Paul's take on it, but so what?

Just for the record, having the ability to disobey God isn't sin.

Just for the record, I didn't say it was... it's not the ability, it's the choice to do so.

 

[-57]

That was Paul's take on it, but so what?

Paul was inspired by God to write those words...so in reality it isn't Pauls take...but Gods take.

 

[SkyWriting]

Here's my problem, I believe in evolution, and it brings up doubts especially in the OT... were the OT writers simply writing what they "thought" and the way they "felt" about God, and not in an actual words God actually said.

The scriptures teach about the Spirit of God and
how man deals with not being one with God.
The original writings have been translated.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

How can you possible say "What God does all the time in the same consistent way we call the laws of science."

You do know that science says if you're dead...you stay dead on day 3. Did your Jesus rise from the dead? Was Jesus consistent with the laws of science?

You have selective hearing. Did you miss the part where I point out what God does on occasion for His purposes we call a miracle?

Let me repeat it so you will actually notice it this time.

What God does on occasion for His purposes we call a miracle.

Its all God.

Now if you actually read that with understanding, you will know the answer to your question.

 

[-57]

You have selective hearing. Did you miss the part where I point out what God does on occasion for His purposes we call a miracle?

Let me repeat it so you will actually notice it this time.

What God does on occasion for His purposes we call a miracle.

Its all God.

Now if you actually read that with understanding, you will know the answer to your question.

And special six day creation was a miracle. It's in the bible you refuse to believe. It seems as if you are the one with selective hearing concerning miracles. Yes?

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

And special six day creation was a miracle. It's in the bible you refuse to believe. It seems as if you are the one with selective hearing concerning miracles. Yes?

You can trust the direct word of God written in the stars, the rocks, and the genomes. They are among God's guides for interpreting scripture. Unless, of course, you prefer your interpretation of scripture to reality.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Paul was inspired by God to write those words...so in reality it isn't Pauls take...but Gods take.

Paul made no such claim about his own writings... only Scripture.

It would've been the very definition of hubris for him to do otherwise, don't you think?

 

[-57]

You can trust the direct word of God written in the stars, the rocks, and the genomes. They are among God's guides for interpreting scripture. Unless, of course, you prefer your interpretation of scripture to reality.

....so can you.
Rocks...strata, fossils ..proclaim a world wide flood.
The genomes....proclaims Intelligent Design.
The stars...proclaims Gods handiwork.

...the theory of evolution... proclaims no need for Jesus. A complete reinterpreting of scripture concerning sin.

 

[-57]

Paul made no such claim about his own writings... only Scripture.

It would've been the very definition of hubris for him to do otherwise, don't you think?

Pauls writing is scripture.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Pauls writing is scripture.

Because you say so? At the time, Paul could only have been referring to what we now call the Old Testament... it was the only scripture that existed when he wrote his letters.

 

[-57]

Because you say so? At the time, Paul could only have been referring to what we now call the Old Testament... it was the only scripture that existed when he wrote his letters.

Acts 9:15 (26:16; 22:14,15) - Luke records that Jesus Himself endorsed Paul as a chosen vessel to preach His name.

2 Peter 3:15,16 - Peter classed Paul's writings along with other Scripture. This endorses Paul's writings as truth, including when those epistles claim that Paul was an apostle.

Galatians 2:7-9; Acts 15:22-32 - Other apostles and prophets confirmed Paul's claim to be inspired and to be a faithful preacher.

Acts 13:1-4 - Luke recorded that the Holy Spirit recognized Paul as one called by the Spirit to preach.