Refuting Sola Scriptura - Why the Bible Alone is Not Sufficient

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Do you worship your bed when you kneel in front of it to pray?

Do you worship family pictures in your home that are on the walls?

When a Catholic recites the 'Hail Mary' we are honouring God! We are asking Mary to help us. To intercede. Obviously you would have to know Catholicism to understand that.

I left catholicism because of it, so did my aunt who was a nun in a convent for many years

But we always know those who leave are the worst catholics, only the best ones stay

 

[Thursday]

I left catholicism because of it, so did my aunt who was a nun in a convent for many years

But we always know those who leave are the worst catholics, only the best ones stay

True. Also, most who join the Catholic Church are on fire for Jesus and find the Church through intense study and prayer.

 

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Do you worship your bed when you kneel in front of it to pray?

Do you worship family pictures in your home that are on the walls?

When a Catholic recites the 'Hail Mary' we are honouring God! We are asking Mary to help us. To intercede. Obviously you would have to know Catholicism to understand that.

But you are praying directly to Mary. If you were to pray to Mary it would assume three things:

1. She has the ability to hear your prayers. If people all around the world are praying to her, how can she hear all of them at the same time unless she had the power to be everywhere at once?

2. She has to have the wisdom to best respond to everyone's prayers.

3. She has to have the power to respond to everyone's prayers

There is only ONE being who can do this and I don't think it is her. Also, let's look at what the bible says about praying to the dead.

Deuteronomy 18:11 tells us that anyone who “consults with the dead” is “detestable to the Lord.” The story of Saul consulting a medium to bring up the spirit of the dead Samuel resulted in his death “because he was unfaithful to the LORD; he did not keep the word of the LORD and even consulted a medium for guidance” (1 Samuel 28:1-25; 1 Chronicles 10:13-14). Clearly, God has declared that such things are not to be done.

Consider the characteristics of God. God is omnipresent—everywhere at once—and is capable of hearing every prayer in the world (Psalm 139:7-12). A human being, on the other hand, does not possess this attribute. Also, God is the only one with the power to answer prayer. In this regard, God is omnipotent—all powerful (Revelation 19:6). Certainly this is an attribute a human being—dead or alive—does not possess. Finally, God is omniscient—He knows everything (Psalm 147:4-5). Even before we pray, God knows our genuine needs and knows them better than we do. Not only does He know our needs, but He answers our prayers according to His perfect will.

So, in order for a dead person to receive prayers, the dead individual has to hear the prayer, possess the power to answer it, and know how to answer it in a way that is best for the individual praying. Only God hears and answers prayer because of His perfect essence and because of what some theologians call His “immanence.” Immanence is the quality of God that causes Him to be directly involved with the affairs of mankind (1 Timothy 6:14-15); this includes answering prayer.

Even after a person dies, God is still involved with that person and his destination. Hebrews 9:27 says so: “…Man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment.” If a person dies in Christ, he goes to heaven to be present with the Lord (2 Corinthians 5:1-9, especially verse 8); if a person dies in his sin, he goes to hell, and eventually everyone in hell will be thrown into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:14-15).

A person suffering in agony will not be able to hear or answer a prayer, nor will a person who is living in heavenly bliss with God. If we pray to someone and he is in eternal agony, should we expect him to be able to hear and answer our prayers? Likewise, would a person in heaven be concerned for temporal problems on earth? God has provided His Son, Jesus Christ, to be the mediator between man and God (1 Timothy 2:5). With Jesus Christ as our mediator, we can go through Jesus to God. Why would we want to go through a sinful dead individual, especially when doing so risks the wrath of God?

 

[Goatee]

Revelation 8 New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)
8 When the Lamb opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour. 2 And I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and seven trumpets were given to them.

3 Another angel with a golden censer came and stood at the altar; he was given a great quantity of incense to offer with the prayers of all the saints on the golden altar that is before the throne. 4 And the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, rose before God from the hand of the angel.

 

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Our central focus is following the Word of God, which is what Mary did best through her faith. We know that Scripture is part of the Word of God (Catholic Tradition). The Bible teaches that Mary and the Holy Spirit conceived Jesus together, after Mary agreed and the Holy Spirit came upon her and overshadowed her. Mary didn't follow Sola Scriptura, but followed the oral Word of God given through the Angel.

True. Also, most who join the Catholic Church are on fire for Jesus and find the Church through intense study and prayer.

No they arent, I have never met a single catholic on fire for Jesus in all my years having two large families that are Catholic and having grown up around them, I found Jesus Christ outside of that.

 

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No they arent, I have never met a single catholic on fire for Jesus in all my years having two large families that are Catholic and having grown up around them, I found Jesus Christ outside of that.

What a shame. I think you have been very unfortunate, but God always has a plan for your life. Your family needs you to show them the way. Don't assume that the way is only out of the Catholic Church. Jesus is alive and well in his Church.

 

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What a shame. I think you have been very unfortunate, but God always has a plan for your life. Your family needs you to show them the way. Don't assume that the way is only out of the Catholic Church. Jesus is alive and well in his Church.

No, my grandmother died saying her novenas and couldnt be less sure of her salvation, my mother told me that, but mom is listening more about Jesus Christ, thank God

 

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No, my grandmother died saying her novenas and couldnt be less sure of her salvation, my mother told me that, but mom is listening more about Jesus Christ, thank God

Have you read Scott Hahn's conversion story?

He was a protestant minister who is now a Catholic theologian.

 

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No they arent, I have never met a single catholic on fire for Jesus in all my years having two large families that are Catholic and having grown up around them, I found Jesus Christ outside of that.

I would have to concur. As a catholic, I had no personal relationship with Jesus. All my prayers were nothing more than a regurgitation of memorized lines. Going to Mass was just a routine that was filled with more memorized and scripted prayer and kneeling. It was more like being an extra in a Broadway show than a church. Just just read your lines, follow the script, and drink the kool-aid. I remember when I was having trouble with my catholic faith, it was the first time I actually prayed from my heart and not from memory. That was the first time I truly felt God's presence. I then prayed for him to remove the callouse from my heart and open my eyes as I read the bible. Then for the first time in my life God's word came to life. It wasn't very long I felt like the Spirit was showing all the things I missed, the contraditions. For the first time I truly believed I was saved and I could stop worrying about being condemned to hell because I missed confession or Mass. I did good deeds not because I was trying to achieve salvation. My only incentive for good deeds is to show my love for God.

 

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Revelation 8 New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)
8 When the Lamb opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour. 2 And I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and seven trumpets were given to them.

3 Another angel with a golden censer came and stood at the altar; he was given a great quantity of incense to offer with the prayers of all the saints on the golden altar that is before the throne. 4 And the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, rose before God from the hand of the angel.

And where is Mary in all of this? [emoji52]
Was it their prayers before or after they died?

 

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Have you read Scott Hahn's conversion story?

He was a protestant minister who is now a Catholic theologian.

You know, Scott Hahn is a favorite among Roman Catholics, mainly I suppose because he's a convert and that's always taken as some sort of "proof" of something. But he's about the least effective writer for Roman Catholicism I've ever encountered. His stuff is so ordinary, like reading the propaganda handed out in an RCIA class. You'd think he'd have advanced a little bit beyond that! Now you take Mitch Pakwa, or...well, you get the point.

 

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I dont read other mens books outside the scriptures (that goes for both protestant or catholic)

There are many people in various sects who change into another sect every day. Some write books some dont, I wont be buying any of them.

 

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You know, Scott Hahn is a favorite among Roman Catholics, mainly I suppose because he's a convert and that's always taken as some sort of "proof" of something. But he's about the least effective writer for Roman Catholicism I've ever encountered. His stuff is so ordinary, like reading the propaganda handed out in an RCIA class. You'd think he'd have advanced a little bit beyond that! Now you take Mitch Pakwa, or...well, you get the point.

I think Scott Hahn is brilliant, and I love Mitch Pacwa as well.

What have you read from Hahn?

 

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No they arent, I have never met a single catholic on fire for Jesus in all my years having two large families that are Catholic and having grown up around them, I found Jesus Christ outside of that.

I'm sorry to hear that the Catholics around you weren't Catholic. But I think that's because they didn't follow the Word of God (Catholic Tradition). There are many Catholics who are Catholic and who center their lives around the Body and Blood of Christ (John 6:53, John 6:55) and seek Him through the Mother of God, as the Word of God tells us to do.

 

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I think Scott Hahn is brilliant

I'm so sorry for you if you really mean that.

 

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I'm sorry to hear that the Catholics around you weren't Catholic. But I think that's because they didn't follow the Word of God (Catholic Tradition). There are many Catholics who are Catholic and who center their lives around the Body and Blood of Christ (John 6:53, John 6:55) and seek Him through the Mother of God, as the Word of God tells us to do.

You think?

 

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I left catholicism because of it, so did my aunt who was a nun in a convent for many years

But we always know those who leave are the worst catholics, only the best ones stay

I love the Hail Mary. Most of it is right out of the Bible. And all of it is part of the Word of God.

 

[Goatee]

You know, Scott Hahn is a favorite among Roman Catholics, mainly I suppose because he's a convert and that's always taken as some sort of "proof" of something. But he's about the least effective writer for Roman Catholicism I've ever encountered. His stuff is so ordinary, like reading the propaganda handed out in an RCIA class. You'd think he'd have advanced a little bit beyond that! Now you take Mitch Pakwa, or...well, you get the point.

Waw, really? He is a fantastic writer. An fantastic speaker and a brilliant theologian.

 

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I'm sorry to hear that the Catholics around you weren't Catholic. But I think that's because they didn't follow the Word of God (Catholic Tradition). There are many Catholics who are Catholic and who center their lives around the Body and Blood of Christ (John 6:53, John 6:55) and seek Him through the Mother of God, as the Word of God tells us to do.

So who are "true catholics" and where do you find them?

 

[Albion]

I love the Hail Mary. Most of it is right out of the Bible. And all of it is part of the Word of God.

Well, part of it is.