Why do people believe in a Rapture?

[Douggg]

Interesting theory however Daniel 7:25 says time times half time, or 3.5 years Revelation 13:4 this beast (anti christ), is given authority, by Satan for 42 months. Revelation 11:2 his army tramples the holy city for 42 months. Again, 42 months is 3.5 years is the same time period.

It is not exactly 3.5 years. We just use that as a convenient term in discussion. The term 3.5 years is not in the bible.

Here's is the breakdown of all the timeframes in sequence.

Pre-seventh week
The EU evolves to a ten leader form of government.
The little horn becomes the leader over them.
Gog/Magog appears imminent.
The little horn positions his EU armies in Greece.
Gog/Magog takes place, God destroys them, ending the religion of Islam.
The little horn arrives in the Middle East with his EU army and takes control of all the oil.

The seventh week

The actions of the little horn, and his arrival in the wake of Gog/Magog, will cause the Jews to think he is their messiah. The prince who shall come.

1. Day 1 The little horn, now perceived messiah, oversees the reading of the law to the nation of Israel from the temple mount (Deuteronomy 31:9-13) setting off the 7 years. The 7 years is in the text of Deuteronomy 31:9-13. It is not a 7 year peace treaty as has been popularized.

2. He is anointed the King of Israel (mostly likely by the false prophet). He has officially become the Antichrist.

3. The two witnesses show and begin their testimony and prophesying against him, the 1260 days, the feeding of the word of God to Israel, the 1260 days in Revelation 12:6 that she is in the wilderness for embracing the Antichrist.

4. The Jews say peace and safety, thinking they have entered the messianic age. The great falling away from Christianity begins.

5. An interim temple sanctuary, the holy of holies, and the holy room, 15ft x 30ft minimum size is quickly erected on the temple mount. Along with the brazen altar.

6. Day 220 The daily sacrifice resumes. (Day 2520-2300 days of Daniel 8).

7. Day ??? In the middle part of the 7 years, sometime before day 1185, the Antichrist thinks in his heart that he has achieved God-hood. Is temporarily entered into by Satan, to carry out the act. Goes into the temple, sits, showing that he is God.

8. The Jews are mortified. And reject him as continuing as their king. Ending his role as the Antichrist, no longer the King of Israel.

9. The person is now the revealed man of sin.

10. Day ??? God has the person killed for his audacious act. (Ezekiel 28:1-10)

11. The person finds himself in hell, (Isaiah 14)

12. God in disdain for the person kicks him out of the grave, because he destroy his own land and his own people, he is a Jew. (Isaiah 14:18-20)

13. Day ??? The person comes back to life. And is empowered by Satan by giving him the spirit of the original beast in the bottomless pit, which that spirit is allowed to come out of prison. He is now the beast.

14. Day ??? Sometime before day 1185. The two prophets are warning the people to leave Jerusalem.

15. Day 1185. The false prophet has the world make a image of the slain and come back to life man of sin, now the beast. (2520-1335 days)

16. The image is placed in the temple, a statue in the standing position of the beast. The great tribulation officially begins.

17. The Jews start fleeing Jerusalem and Judea to the mountains.

18. The beast tries to stop them, cut them off.

19. The two witnesses war against the beast as the Jews are fleeing. For 75 days.

20. Day 1260 The beast kills the two witnesses. The window for escape closed and them in Jerusalem are stuck, the ones in Revelation 12:17.

21. The world rejoices, who is able to make war against the beast?

21. Day 1263.5 The two witnesses come back to life and ascend to heaven. hallejuah! praise God!

22. The beast is given the 1256.5 day control of the earth unhampered by the two witnessed. 42 months (not exactly 1260 days). The beast army now occupies control of the temple mount for 42 months.

23. The seventh trumpet sounds. Begins the process of the kingdoms of this world becoming the Kingdoms of God and His Christ. First action, cast down Satan and his kingdom, down to earth.

22. Day ??? But after day 1263.5 There is the war in the second heaven, place of Satan's kingdom, Mystery Babylon the Great, overshadowing the earth, in Revelation 12. That place, the cosmos, will be removed later near the end of the seven years. It is not given how much earth time passes for the war in heaven.

23. Day ??? day 1263.5 (the two witnesses rise) + the time for the war in heaven leaves a time, times, and half times, in the seven years. Revelation 12:14. Not as long as 42 months. Which in turn is not as long as 1260 days.

24. Mystery Babylon the Great has fallen, has fallen. A time, times, half times left in the 7 years.

25. Woe to the inhabitants of the earth, Satan has been cast down.

26. Satan incarnates the image of the beast, the statue, and it appears to come to life, and demands everyone worship it - Satan.

27. The judgments of God fall upon the earth.

28. Near the end of the 7 years, with resources of the world dwindling, and the beast funneling what there is to his kingdom of the ten kings, which the EU leaders will pledge to him - the other four powers of the world have no choice but to attack him, where he is in Jerusalem. The battles of Daniel 11. First by the king of the south, the African nations. Then the king of the north, Russia a new crop of soldiers from the 7 years prior destruction at Gog/Magog. Then the kings of the East, the Asian countries.

Drawing all nations into the middle east.

29. Day 2475 From day 1185 when the AOD was first setup to be worship count forward 1290 days to get day 2475.
The cosmos parts and there will be Jesus, before the throne of God. The tribes of the earth mourn. The wicked are terrified, knowing judgement is at hand.

30. The beast, the false prophet, Satan convince the kings of the earth to fight Jesus. Why do the heathen rage and image a vain thing.

31. They are given 45 days to assemble at Armageddon. (day 2475 til day 2520)

32. They move down and surround Jerusalem, taking half of it captive as hostages.

33. Day 2520. Last day of the seven years. Jesus descends from heaven with his armies of heaven.

34. The beast and false prophet are taken and cast alive into the lake of fire.

35. The AOD image, that has come to life, spoken, and demanded to be worshiped - the facade will be melted away by the brightness of Jesus's coming.

36. There on the temple mount will be Satan, exposed for the whole world to see. Fulfilling Ezekiel 28, that God would cause a fire to come up in his midst and consuming him with ashes, and will lay Satan before the kings of the earth to behold.

37. The armies are destoyed by Jesus.

38. A lone angel comes down binds Satan in chains and he is taken to the bottomless pit.

 

[Riberra]

. Your fantastical theories of destruction are recreation are unbiblical.

God will create a NEW Earth (surface) and a New Heaven (earth sky and biosphere ) after the Millennium.
Revelation 21:1-2
21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

There's no gap between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2, as proven by Exodus 20:11
The earth is visible on day 1 - the celestial bodies weren't created until day 4.

Genesis 1:1 say clearly that the heavens was created before the Earth

Genesis 1
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

What have happened to the Earth to be in the condition mentioned in Genesis 1:2

2 And the earth was waste and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep: and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters

The curse is not my idea; it was God's.

You are not mocking me, but God.

Wrong!!! i was doubting your vegetarian T-Rex theory who became carnivorus because of a curse....Do you believe that you are God?
Show us a T-Rex with vegetarian teeth in the fossil record if you want to be taken seriously.

 

[Fusion77]

It is not exactly 3.5 years. We just use that as a convenient term in discussion. The term 3.5 years is not in the bible.

Here's is the breakdown of all the timeframes in sequence.

Pre-seventh week
The EU evolves to a ten leader form of government.
The little horn becomes the leader over them.
Gog/Magog appears imminent.
The little horn positions his EU armies in Greece.
Gog/Magog takes place, God destroys them, ending the religion of Islam.
The little horn arrives in the Middle East with his EU army and takes control of all the oil.

The seventh week

The actions of the little horn, and his arrival in the wake of Gog/Magog, will cause the Jews to thin he is their messiah.

1. The little horn oversees the reading of the law to the nation of Israel from the temple mount (Deuteronomy 31:9-13) setting off the 7 years.

2. Day 1 He is anointed the King of Israel (mostly likely by the false prophet). He has officially become the Antichrist.

3. The two witnesses show and begin their testimony and prophesying against him, the 1260 days, the feeding of the word of God to Israel, the 1260 days in Revelation 12:6 that she is in the wilderness for embracing the Antichrist.

4. The Jews say peace and safety, thinking they have entered the messianic age.

5. An interim temple sanctuary, the holy of holies, and the holy room, 15ft x 30ft minimum size is quickly erected on the temple mount. Along with the brazen altar.

6. Day 220 The daily sacrifice resumes. (Day 2520-2300 days of Daniel 8).

7. Day ??? Sometime before day 1185, the Antichrist thinks in his heart that he has achieved God-hood. Is temporarily entered into by Satan, to carry out the act. Goes into the temple, sits, showing that he is God.

8. The Jews are mortified. And reject him as continuing as their king. Ending his role as the Antichrist, no longer the King of Israel.

9. The person is now the revealed man of sin.

10. Day ??? God has the person killed for his audacious act. (Ezekiel 28:1-10)

11. The person finds himself in hell, (Isaiah 14)

12. God in disdain for the person kicks him out of the grave, because he destroy his own land and his own people, he is a Jew.

13. Day ??? The person comes back to life. And is empowered by Satan by giving him the spirit of the original beast in the bottomless pit, which that spirit is allowed to come out of prison. He is now the beast.

14. Day ??? Sometime before day 1185. The two prophets are warning the people to leave Jerusalem.

15. Day 1185. The false prophet has the world make a image of the slain and come back to life man of sin, now the beast.

16. The image is placed in the temple, a statue in the standing position of the beast. The great tribulation officially begins.

17. The Jews start fleeing Jerusalem and Judea to the mountains.

18. The beast tries to stop them, cut them off.

19. The two witnesses war against the beast as the Jews are fleeing. For 75 days.

20. Day 1260 The beast kills the two witnesses. The window for escape closed and them in Jerusalem are stuck, the ones in Revelation 12:17.

21. The world rejoices, who is able to make war against the beast?

21. Day 1263.5 The two witnesses come back to life and ascend to heaven. hallejuah! praise God!

22. The beast is given the 1256.5 day control of the earth unhampered by the two witnessed. 42 months (not exactly 1260 days). The beast army now occupies control of the temple mount for 42 months.

23. The seventh trumpet sounds. Begins the process of the kingdoms of this world becoming the Kingdoms of God and his Christ. First action, cast down Satan and his kingdom, down to earth.

22. Day ??? But after day 1256.5 There is the war in the second heaven, place of Satan's kingdom, Msytery Babylon the Great, overshadowing the earth, in Revelation 12. That place, the cosmos, will be removed later near the end of the seven years. It is not given how much earth time passes for the war in heaven.

23. Day ??? day 1256:5 (42 months left) + the time for the war in heaven leaves a time, times, and half times, in the seven years. Revelation 12:14. Not as long as 42 months. Which in turn is not as long as 1260 days.

24. Mystery Babylon the Great has fallen, has fallen.

25. Woe to the inhabitants of the earth, Satan has been cast down.

26. Satan incarnates the image of the beast, the statue, and it appears to come to life, and demands everyone worship it - Satan.

27. The judgments of God fall upon the earth.

28. Near the end of the 7 years, with resources of the world dwindling, and the beast funneling what there is to his kingdom of the ten kings, which the EU leaders will pledge to him - the other four powers of the world have no choice but to attack him, where he is in Jerusalem. The battles of Daniel 11. First by the king of the south, the African nations. Then the king of the north, Russia a new crop of soldiers from the 7 years prior destruction at Gog/Magog. The the kings of the East, the Asian countries.

Drawing all nations into the middle east.

29. Day 2475 From day 1185 when the AOD was first setup to be worship count forward 1290 days to get day 2475.
The cosmos parts and there will be Jesus, before the throne of God. The tribes of the earth mourn. The wicked are terrified, knowing judgement is at hand.

30. The beast, the false prophet, Satan convinced the kings of the earth to fight Jesus. Why do the heathen rage and image a vain things.

31. They are given 45 days to assemble at Armageddon.

32. They move down and surround Jerusalem, taking half of it captive as hostages.

33. Day 2520. Last day of the seven years. Jesus descends from heaven with his armies of heaven.

34. The beast and false prophet are taken and cast alive into the lake of fire.

35. The AOD image, that has come to life, spoken, and demanded to be worshiped - the facade will be melted away by the brighness of Jesus's coming.

36. There on the temple mount will be Satan, exposed for the whole world to see. Fulfilling Ezekiel 28, that God would cause a fire to come up in his midst and consuming him with asses, and will lay Satan before the kings of the earth to behold.

37. The armies are destoyed by Jesus.

38. A lone angel comes down binds Satan in chains and he is taken to the bottomless pit.

Yes, we do know it is 3.5 years. Revelation 13:4-5 tells us the beast (anti christ)will be given authority for 42 months. 42 divided by 12 is 3.5. We know the time times and half time is the same. How? Daniel 7:25 speaks of the exact same event. So we know it's exactly 3.5 years or 42 months. Same exact time period as Daniel 12:7 Revelation 11:2 Revelation 13:5 Revelation 12:14 but not the same as Revelation 12:6. You're being confused by Revelation. You've never heard this before. Because it has been veiled.

 

[Fusion77]

It is not exactly 3.5 years. We just use that as a convenient term in discussion. The term 3.5 years is not in the bible.

Here's is the breakdown of all the timeframes in sequence.

Pre-seventh week
The EU evolves to a ten leader form of government.
The little horn becomes the leader over them.
Gog/Magog appears imminent.
The little horn positions his EU armies in Greece.
Gog/Magog takes place, God destroys them, ending the religion of Islam.
The little horn arrives in the Middle East with his EU army and takes control of all the oil.

The seventh week

The actions of the little horn, and his arrival in the wake of Gog/Magog, will cause the Jews to think he is their messiah. The prince who shall come.

1. The little horn, now perceived messiah, oversees the reading of the law to the nation of Israel from the temple mount (Deuteronomy 31:9-13) setting off the 7 years. The 7 years is in the text of Deuteronomy 31:9-13. It is not a 7 year peace treaty as has been popularized.

2. Day 1 He is anointed the King of Israel (mostly likely by the false prophet). He has officially become the Antichrist.

3. The two witnesses show and begin their testimony and prophesying against him, the 1260 days, the feeding of the word of God to Israel, the 1260 days in Revelation 12:6 that she is in the wilderness for embracing the Antichrist.

4. The Jews say peace and safety, thinking they have entered the messianic age. The great falling away from Christianity begins.

5. An interim temple sanctuary, the holy of holies, and the holy room, 15ft x 30ft minimum size is quickly erected on the temple mount. Along with the brazen altar.

6. Day 220 The daily sacrifice resumes. (Day 2520-2300 days of Daniel 8).

7. Day ??? Sometime before day 1185, the Antichrist thinks in his heart that he has achieved God-hood. Is temporarily entered into by Satan, to carry out the act. Goes into the temple, sits, showing that he is God.

8. The Jews are mortified. And reject him as continuing as their king. Ending his role as the Antichrist, no longer the King of Israel.

9. The person is now the revealed man of sin.

10. Day ??? God has the person killed for his audacious act. (Ezekiel 28:1-10)

11. The person finds himself in hell, (Isaiah 14)

12. God in disdain for the person kicks him out of the grave, because he destroy his own land and his own people, he is a Jew. (Isaiah 14:18-20)

13. Day ??? The person comes back to life. And is empowered by Satan by giving him the spirit of the original beast in the bottomless pit, which that spirit is allowed to come out of prison. He is now the beast.

14. Day ??? Sometime before day 1185. The two prophets are warning the people to leave Jerusalem.

15. Day 1185. The false prophet has the world make a image of the slain and come back to life man of sin, now the beast. (2520-1335 days)

16. The image is placed in the temple, a statue in the standing position of the beast. The great tribulation officially begins.

17. The Jews start fleeing Jerusalem and Judea to the mountains.

18. The beast tries to stop them, cut them off.

19. The two witnesses war against the beast as the Jews are fleeing. For 75 days.

20. Day 1260 The beast kills the two witnesses. The window for escape closed and them in Jerusalem are stuck, the ones in Revelation 12:17.

21. The world rejoices, who is able to make war against the beast?

21. Day 1263.5 The two witnesses come back to life and ascend to heaven. hallejuah! praise God!

22. The beast is given the 1256.5 day control of the earth unhampered by the two witnessed. 42 months (not exactly 1260 days). The beast army now occupies control of the temple mount for 42 months.

23. The seventh trumpet sounds. Begins the process of the kingdoms of this world becoming the Kingdoms of God and His Christ. First action, cast down Satan and his kingdom, down to earth.

22. Day ??? But after day 1256.5 There is the war in the second heaven, place of Satan's kingdom, Mystery Babylon the Great, overshadowing the earth, in Revelation 12. That place, the cosmos, will be removed later near the end of the seven years. It is not given how much earth time passes for the war in heaven.

23. Day ??? day 1256:5 (42 months left) + the time for the war in heaven leaves a time, times, and half times, in the seven years. Revelation 12:14. Not as long as 42 months. Which in turn is not as long as 1260 days.

24. Mystery Babylon the Great has fallen, has fallen. A time, times, half times left in the 7 years.

25. Woe to the inhabitants of the earth, Satan has been cast down.

26. Satan incarnates the image of the beast, the statue, and it appears to come to life, and demands everyone worship it - Satan.

27. The judgments of God fall upon the earth.

28. Near the end of the 7 years, with resources of the world dwindling, and the beast funneling what there is to his kingdom of the ten kings, which the EU leaders will pledge to him - the other four powers of the world have no choice but to attack him, where he is in Jerusalem. The battles of Daniel 11. First by the king of the south, the African nations. Then the king of the north, Russia a new crop of soldiers from the 7 years prior destruction at Gog/Magog. Then the kings of the East, the Asian countries.

Drawing all nations into the middle east.

29. Day 2475 From day 1185 when the AOD was first setup to be worship count forward 1290 days to get day 2475.
The cosmos parts and there will be Jesus, before the throne of God. The tribes of the earth mourn. The wicked are terrified, knowing judgement is at hand.

30. The beast, the false prophet, Satan convinced the kings of the earth to fight Jesus. Why do the heathen rage and image a vain thing.

31. They are given 45 days to assemble at Armageddon.

32. They move down and surround Jerusalem, taking half of it captive as hostages.

33. Day 2520. Last day of the seven years. Jesus descends from heaven with his armies of heaven.

34. The beast and false prophet are taken and cast alive into the lake of fire.

35. The AOD image, that has come to life, spoken, and demanded to be worshiped - the facade will be melted away by the brightness of Jesus's coming.

36. There on the temple mount will be Satan, exposed for the whole world to see. Fulfilling Ezekiel 28, that God would cause a fire to come up in his midst and consuming him with asses, and will lay Satan before the kings of the earth to behold.

37. The armies are destoyed by Jesus.

38. A lone angel comes down binds Satan in chains and he is taken to the bottomless pit.

Don't get me wrong I agree with some of what you say. You just don't totally get the timeline yet.

 

[Douggg]

es, we do know it is 3.5 years. Revelation 13:4-5 tells us the beast (anti christ)will be given authority for 42 months. 42 divided by 12 is 3.5. We know the time times and half time is the same. How? Daniel 7:25 speaks of the exact same event. So we know it's exactly 3.5 years or 42 months. Same exact time period as Daniel 12:7 Revelation 11:2 Revelation 13:5 Revelation 12:14 but not the same as Revelation 12:6. You're being confused by Revelation. You've never heard this before. Because it has been veiled.

I don't think I am confused. I am 67 years old and have been studying this particular topic for 44 years every single day.

3 1/2 years, 3.5 years is not a bible term. If you think it is, then copy and paste a verse saying 3 1/2 years in the text. Not what you are reasoning... but 3 1/2 years in the text.

My background is engineering. In engineering, it is common practice to put unlike units into like units.... so a person can do the calculations. inches to feet, etc. (btw, being a retired engineer doesn't make me any smarter bible wise, it is just some experience in converting units of measure)

But that conversion principle doesn't apply to bible prophecy because there is a reason in one verse (Revelation 11:2) it says 42 months, and in the very next verse (Revelation 11:3) it says 1260 days. God is not testing our ability to convert units. The timeframes are expressed differently because they take into account the details of the actions that take place... such as the 3 1/2 days that the two witnesses bodies lie death in the streets of Jerusalem. And the unspecified time (earth time) that passes for the war in heaven.

Basically, a person can take the like timeframes together and put them into either the first half or second half of the seven years - to build a framework for how the prophesies fit together.

first half
1260 days

second half
42 months
time, times, half times

 

[Douggg]

Don't get me wrong I agree with some of what you say. You just don't totally get the timeline yet.

I think I do. I gave you the line by line sequence with all of the timeframse account for. All fitting within the last week, 7 years of Daniel 9:26-27.

About ten years or so ago, I made a chart that has all of the time frames on it. I'll see if I can find it and make a post.

 

[Fusion77]

I don't think I am confused. I am 67 years old and have been studying this particular topic for 44 years every single day.

3 1/2 years, 3.5 years is not a bible term. If you think it is, then copy and paste a verse saying 3 1/2 years in the text. Not what you are reasoning... but 3 1/2 years in the text.

My background is engineering. In engineering, it is common practice to put unlike units into like units.... so a person can do the calculations. inches to feet, etc. (btw, being a retired engineer doesn't make me any smarter bible wise, it is just some experience in converting units of measure)

But that conversion principle doesn't apply to bible prophecy because there is a reason in one verse (Revelation 11:2) it says 42 months, and in the very next verse (Revelation 11:3) it says 1260 days. God is not testing our ability to convert units. The timeframes are expressed differently because they take into account the details of the actions that take place... such as the 3 1/2 days that the two witnesses bodies lie death in the streets of Jerusalem. And the unspecified time (earth time) that passes for the war in heaven.

Basically, a person can take the like timeframes together and put them into either the first half or second half of the seven years - to build a framework for how the prophesies fit together.

first half
1260 days

second half
42 months
time, times, half times

Wordly wisdom I'm afraid won't suffice here. 42 months is 3.5 years. The witness won't be there throughout the duration of the 3.5 years. I know this.

 

[keras]

you're incorrect. 1260 days will not be the complete 3.5 year period. We are talking about what the situation will be when this occurs. Such as is now. Right now I have described how the ecclesiastical Hebrew calendar is. Prophets see things as they are in the future. When Daniel was given to this prophecy, for the future, it's irrelevant what it was like in the past. Or are we speaking of the time of the Exodus? No we are not he prophesied what it will be like in the future (our present). You might want to read what I posted a little more thoroughly.

I read what you have posted. I disagree with it.
Did you read properly what I wrote? I am talking about our future. Did you look up Isaiah 13:13?
Has the described cosmic events of Isaiah's prophesies happened yet? Plus Joel and many other prophesies.
The earth will be shaken out of its place.... denotes a shift in its orbital track; that must result in calendar changes.

Why must we stick to the Jewish calendar? Their scribes have falsified the Law, Jeremiah 8:8, why trust them?

 

[keras]

Why believe in a rapture?
John 3:13.....no one goes to heaven, except the One who came from heaven.
John 17:15 ...I pray Father, you keep them from the evil one....
John 7:34...where I go you cannot come....
John 8:21-23....I am not of this world, you cannot go where I go....
Revelation 5:10....the saints will reign on earth....
ALL Words of Jesus that totally, utterly and completely refute the false and extremely un biblical rapture theory.

John 14:1-3 is not talking about a rapture removal to heaven. Jesus says: I will come back.... from heaven to earth and then: we will always be with Him.
Realize this, you raptureists, a removal to heaven was never part of God's plan for ancient Israel and it isn't His plan now.
Do you say the Lord's prayer? ......Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven......Who is tasked to carry out His will on earth? Us Christians, that's who and hoping to be removed when things get tough is nothing short of escapism and cowardice.

I know these hard facts will cause upset for everyone who has been taught they will be raptured to heaven. But I have to do it, to shock you into finding out for yourselves what God really does want, rather than just believing what someone has told you.
The first belief to get out of your minds, is the Two People, Two Promises. There is only ONE people of God. Ephesians 4:4-6 Those righteous people will go to live in all of the Holy Land soon after all that area is de-populated by the Lord's Day of wrath. Ezekiel 34:11-31 describes it best.
That will be like heaven, as those true believers, who have proved their faith during the Day of cloud and darkness, live there and experience the amazing blessings of God to His people.
More at logostelos.info

 

[Fusion77]

I don't think I am confused. I am 67 years old and have been studying this particular topic for 44 years every single day.

3 1/2 years, 3.5 years is not a bible term. If you think it is, then copy and paste a verse saying 3 1/2 years in the text. Not what you are reasoning... but 3 1/2 years in the text.

My background is engineering. In engineering, it is common practice to put unlike units into like units.... so a person can do the calculations. inches to feet, etc. (btw, being a retired engineer doesn't make me any smarter bible wise, it is just some experience in converting units of measure)

But that conversion principle doesn't apply to bible prophecy because there is a reason in one verse (Revelation 11:2) it says 42 months, and in the very next verse (Revelation 11:3) it says 1260 days. God is not testing our ability to convert units. The timeframes are expressed differently because they take into account the details of the actions that take place... such as the 3 1/2 days that the two witnesses bodies lie death in the streets of Jerusalem. And the unspecified time (earth time) that passes for the war in heaven.

Basically, a person can take the like timeframes together and put them into either the first half or second half of the seven years - to build a framework for how the prophesies fit together.

first half
1260 days

second half
42 months
time, times, half times

You must look at the current Hebrew calendar 42 months, 3.5 years cannot equal 1260 days. The 2 witnesses are alive and aware of their identities. The next major prophetic event you'll see is found in Haggai 2:20-23. It will be a Great War. A shaking of both the heavens and the earth. It hasn't happened yet, Hebrews 12:26-27 but will soon. That message isn't to the Zerubbabel of the 2nd temple era. It's not a type of Christ either. Christ will be King over the earth in the Millenial reign Zechariah 14:9. Can you figure out who will be the governor in the Millenial reign of Christ. That Zerubbabel is long gone.

I'll give you a hint. Zechariah 3:8 states Joshua and the fellows who sit before him are a sign (of things to come), who is before him? 3 verses later you have a vision, and it's Gods message to Zerubbabel. Zechariah 4 has nothing to do with the second temple era. It's all about the 2 witnesses particularly Gods word to one of them found in Zechariah 4:6. Zerubbabel didn't lay the foundation of the second temple. Ezra 3:10 Ezra 5:16. Zechariah 4:9 isnt speaking of a physical foundation.
Joshua is a symbol of the Branch. Zechariah 6:11-13. See Joshua the High priest a representation of the Branch crowned kind, the 2 offices come together. High priest and King.
It says He will build the temple. The Jews missed this, they think it's physical. Of course, it's not it's a spiritual temple. So they'll be looking for this. Look, Joshua son of Jehozadak the high priest is a type of
Christ. Joshua is the name, Yeshua he was high priest called the Branch "behold my servant the Branch" Isaiah 11:1. Joshua 3:9 that stone is in Isaiah 11:2 His Spirit will rest upon Him the 7 eyes on the stone are Revelation 5:6 the seven eyes are the seven Spirits of the Lord. Joshua the son of Jehozadak (which means, Jehovah justified). Not that I'm imagining this, but because Zechariah 3:8 tells us he is a type of the Branch. Also the friends who sit before him too...they are a sign of things to come. Zerubbabel, likely not meaning seed of Babylon, but rather sower of seed (Zera) (Babel) in Babylon. Governor of Judah, not here but soon. You can't see it, but the book of Haggai has messages which are veiled, for this day and age. There are things that you can't see yet.

 

[Douggg]

Wordly wisdom I'm afraid won't suffice here. 42 months is 3.5 years. The witness won't be there throughout the duration of the 3.5 years. I know this.

Wordly or worldly? What worldly wisdom?

Do a copy and paste of a bible verse with 3.5 years stated in the text. 42 months; 1260 days; time, times, half time is what is in the text. The 3.5 years term is something you are coming up with, but it is not in the bible.

 

[Fusion77]

I don't think I am confused. I am 67 years old and have been studying this particular topic for 44 years every single day.

3 1/2 years, 3.5 years is not a bible term. If you think it is, then copy and paste a verse saying 3 1/2 years in the text. Not what you are reasoning... but 3 1/2 years in the text.

My background is engineering. In engineering, it is common practice to put unlike units into like units.... so a person can do the calculations. inches to feet, etc. (btw, being a retired engineer doesn't make me any smarter bible wise, it is just some experience in converting units of measure)

But that conversion principle doesn't apply to bible prophecy because there is a reason in one verse (Revelation 11:2) it says 42 months, and in the very next verse (Revelation 11:3) it says 1260 days. God is not testing our ability to convert units. The timeframes are expressed differently because they take into account the details of the actions that take place... such as the 3 1/2 days that the two witnesses bodies lie death in the streets of Jerusalem. And the unspecified time (earth time) that passes for the war in heaven.

Basically, a person can take the like timeframes together and put them into either the first half or second half of the seven years - to build a framework for how the prophesies fit together.

first half
1260 days

second half
42 months
time, times, half times

You must look at the current Hebrew calendar 42 months, 3.5 years cannot equal 1260 days. The 2 witnesses are alive and aware of their identities. The next major prophetic event you'll see is found in Haggai 2:20-23. It will be a Great War. A shaking of both the heavens and the earth. It hasn't happened yet, Hebrews 12:26-27 but will soon. That message isn't to the Zerubbabel of the 2nd temple era. It's not a type of Christ either. Christ will be King over the earth in the Millenial reign Zechariah 14:9. Can you figure out who will be the governor in the Millenial reign of Christ. That Zerubbabel is long gone.

I'll give you a hint. Zechariah 3:8 states Joshua and the fellows who sit before him are a sign (of things to come), who is before him? 3 verses later you have a vision, and it's Gods message to Zerubbabel. Zechariah 4 has nothing to do with the second temple era. It's all about the 2 witnesses particularly Gods word to one of them found in Zechariah 4:6. Zerubbabel didn't lay the foundation of the second temple. Ezra 3:10 Ezra 5:16. Zechariah 4:9 isnt speaking of a physical foundation.
Joshua is a symbol of the Branch. Zechariah 6:11-13. See Joshua the High priest a representation of the Branch crowned kind, the 2 offices come together. High priest and King.
It says He will build the temple. The Jews missed this, they think it's physical. Of course, it's not it's a spiritual temple. So they'll be looking for this. Look, Joshua son of Jehozadak the high priest is a type of
Christ. Joshua is the name, Yeshua he was high priest called the Branch Isaiah 11:1. Joshua 3:9 that stone is in Isaiah 11:2 His Spirit will rest upon Him the eyes are upon the stone Revelation

Wordly or worldly? What worldly wisdom?

Do a copy and paste of a bible verse with 3.5 years stated in the text. 42 months; 1260 days; time, times, half time is what is in the text. The 3.5 years term is something you are coming up with, but it is not in the bible.

Wordly or worldly? What worldly wisdom?

Do a copy and paste of a bible verse with 3.5 years stated in the text. 42 months; 1260 days; time, times, half time is what is in the text. The 3.5 years term is something you are coming up with, but it is not in the bible.

the 42 months in Revelation 13:5 is the same as Daniel 7:25. The witnesses won't be there until about 25 days after the abomination of desolation. You can't use the 1260 days. For 1000's of years people have not been able to see what I'm telling you now. The witnesses are alive today and aware of their identities.

 

[Douggg]

You must look at the current Hebrew calendar 42 months, 3.5 years cannot equal 1260 days.

The hebrew calendar has some years with leap months. Since there is now way to know how to apply the years which have the leap months, i.e a 13 month year, where those would fall in the 7 years - it is not something that can be factored in. And is not intended to be factored in.

 

[Fusion77]

The hebrew calendar has some years with leap months. Since there is now way to know how to apply the years which have the leap months, i.e a 13 month year, where those would fall in the 7 years - it is not something that can be factored in. And is not intended to be factored in.

Yes, you're not reading what I've posted. The second Adar is still considered the 12 month. You should go back and read what I wrote.

 

[Douggg]

the 42 months in Revelation 13:5 is the same as Daniel 7:25. The witnesses won't be there until about 25 days after the abomination of desolation. You can't use the 1260 days. For 1000's of years people have not been able to see what I'm telling you now. The witnesses are alive today and aware of their identities.

The 42 months may be in common with the time, times, and half times in Daniel 7:25. But they are not identical equal lengths of time.

The two witnesses are before the abomination of desolation, just as the 1260 days in Revelation 12:6 is before the war in heaven.

Okay, who do you claim the two witnesses are?

 

[Fusion77]

The hebrew calendar has some years with leap months. Since there is now way to know how to apply the years which have the leap months, i.e a 13 month year, where those would fall in the 7 years - it is not something that can be factored in. And is not intended to be factored in.

You're not reading what I wrote the abomination of desolation would have to occur a year before a leap year. Thus allowing a 3.5 year period to hold more that 1290 days. It's still 42 months because Adar 1 and Adar 2 are still considered the 12 the month.
The scattering of Gods holy people Daniel 12:7 will start before Daniel 12:11. We know that from Luke 21:20. Scattering but not yet desolate. Daniel 12:7 begins before Daniel 12:11 but ends at the same time.
Check out the current Hebrew calendar on cgsf.rg and click on Roman Hebrew calendar.

 

[Fusion77]

The 42 months may be in common with the time, times, and half times in Daniel 7:25. But they are not identical equal lengths of time.

The two witnesses are before the abomination of desolation, just as the 1260 days in Revelation 12:6 is before the war in heaven.

Okay, who do you claim the two witnesses are?

I told you who one was. It's obviously not his name though.its a representation of him. Read what I wrote. It's not very detailed but that's it. I don't know where the other one is, but God is preparing the other now too.

 

[n2thelight]

Since I did'nt get a response on my last post,let's keep it simple.
What day is the below verse?

Ephesians 6:13 "Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand."

Anybody????

 

[Fusion77]

I read what you have posted. I disagree with it.
Did you read properly what I wrote? I am talking about our future. Did you look up Isaiah 13:13?
Has the described cosmic events of Isaiah's prophesies happened yet? Plus Joel and many other prophesies.
The earth will be shaken out of its place.... denotes a shift in its orbital track; that must result in calendar changes.

Why must we stick to the Jewish calendar? Their scribes have falsified the Law, Jeremiah 8:8, why trust them?

Because when the prophets gave their messages they used the ecclesiastical calendar I.e. Zechariah 7:1, Even shows they use the ecclesiastical calendar and not the civil. 9th month is Kislev or Chishlev ch=k sound. Why wouldn't we use the same calendar as they use them and today. Look, the calendar won't change, you can never have 1260 days in a month continually. It wouldn't line up with the solar calendar, and the feasts are based on moons and such. 3.5 years would never be 1260 days according to the Hebrew calendar.

 

[Douggg]

You're not reading what I wrote the abomination of desolation would have to occur a year before a leap year. Thus allowing a 3.5 year period to hold more that 1290 days. It's still 42 months because Adar 1 and Adar 2 are still considered the 12 the month.

I think you meant to say - Thus allowing a 3.5 year period to hold more than 1260 days.

But the issue is not 3.5 years to begin with. It is 7 years. And there is no way of telling "when" a leap month falls within the 7 years.

Here is a reply I got from Uri Yosef, back last July, at the messiahtruth.com countermissionary forum on leap months....

"Douggg, The extra month is Adar II, the 13th month - it follows Adar I, the 12th month. The month of Adar is the last, i.e., 12th, month in the Biblical Jewish calendar, i.e., it precedes the month of Nisan. The 13th month is added to the 3rd, 6th, 8th, 11th, 14th, 17th, and 19th year of every 19-year cycle; in other words, 7 times in each 19-year period. "

So the leap months are on a 19 year cycle. 7 times in each 19-year cycle. Thus in the 7 years, last week of Daniel 9, there may be several years with an extra month.