Why do people believe in a Rapture?

[Luke17:37]

I don't agree, Luke 17. It is much more complicated than that. Parts of the Bible may be right one, others not. It all depends what specific passages you are reading. Also, I don't know where you get this T-Rex bit. T-Rex was a meat eater. There is nothing said about T-Rex in Genesis at all. You are reading something into the text that was not originally intended, and thereby contaminating the text.

Hoghead1, all animals and man were originally vegetarian, per God's decree in Genesis 1, therefore, since T-Rex is an animal, T-Rex was once vegetarian. That doesn't mean he didn't become a meat-eater before he became extinct.

I am reading the text clearly.

You are must be removing or adding in order to try to fit man's word into God's Word. It won't work.

I will believe that Genesis is true history and is the foundation of the gospel.

 

[Luke17:37]

I am not mocking God's words it is just that T-Rex does not fit in the equation of being a vegetarian.

Yes, you are, because T-Rex is an animal God made. T-Rex was originally vegetarian since by God's Word, He made all animals originally vegetarian.

 

[Riberra]

Yes, you are, because T-Rex is an animal God made. T-Rex was originally vegetarian since by God's Word, He made all animals originally vegetarian.

Why then we have never find a T-Rex with cow teeths, i mean the kind of teeth associated with animals eating grass or leaf in trees....like the brontosaurus ?

http://www.google.ca/search?q=bront...S:unofficial&gbv=1&sei=gXORVvnrGcjm-wG-g6OoAg

 

[Luke17:37]

Why then we have never find a T-Rex with cow teeths, i mean the kind of teeth associated with animals eating grass....like the brontosaurus ?

Do you think it was a surprise to God that many animals eat meat today?

If not, don't you think it makes sense that He would create them to sustain the diet He planned for them, both before the curse and continuing through today? So, since He intended cows to chew grass and cud they were created with different teeth than the lion who He permitted to eat live game?

 

[Hoghead1]

T-Rex was a meat eater, period. And nobody is mocking God, just your crazy interpretation of Genesis and its relationship to the T-Rex.

 

[Riberra]

Do you think it was a surprise to God that many animals eat meat today?

If not, don't you think it makes sense that He would create them to sustain the diet He planned for them, both before the curse

In a previous post you have said that i was mocking God's words when i have said that some animals may have become carnivorous including T-Rex because of a curse .... following Adam and Eve sin....

 

[Hoghead1]

There is nothing in the Bible that says some animals turned to meat eating because of some sort of curse. That is way, way off from Scripture and into some one's wild imagination.

 

[Riberra]

There is nothing in the Bible that says some animals turned to meat eating because of some sort of curse. That is way, way off from Scripture and into some one's wild imagination.

I agree with you....I was just running Luke17's theory until the ulimate limit.

 

[Hoghead1]

Thanks, Riberra. We are but pilgrims in a hostile land here.

 

[Luke17:37]

T-Rex was a meat eater, period. And nobody is mocking God, just your crazy interpretation of Genesis and its relationship to the T-Rex.

T-Rex, being a land animal God made, was originally vegetarian. Period.

Genesis 1:30
30 Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food”; and it was so.

The only reason T-Rex is in this discussion is because Riberra was mocking the clear meaning of Genesis 1-11 and me.

Genesis is true history and it is the foundation the gospel. Christ's atoning death for sinners only makes sense in light of the penalty for sin being death, Genesis 2, 3. Without Genesis 1-3, the gospel hangs in mid-air on nothing. Creation out death (evolution or millions of years to accommodate evolution) just obliterates the gospel.

If you like, go back a page and read my post to Bible2+. I'm not going to repeat it all here.

 

[Luke17:37]

There is nothing in the Bible that says some animals turned to meat eating because of some sort of curse. That is way, way off from Scripture and into some one's wild imagination.

Like I said, Scripture doesn't say when the animals were allowed to eat meat, but originally, Scripture says they weren't. Men weren't allowed to eat meat until after the flood.

Are you saying you don't believe in the curse (Genesis 3, Romans 8:20-22, Revelation 22:3) either? What part of the Bible do you believe?

 

[Riberra]

The only reason T-Rex is in this discussion is because Riberra was mocking the clear meaning of Genesis 1-11 and me.

I was not mocking Genesis 1-11 nor you .Sorry if this is the impression that you have.

Genesis is true history and it is the foundation the gospel. Christ's atoning death for sinners only makes sense in light of the penalty for sin being death, Genesis 2, 3. Without Genesis 1-3, the gospel hangs in mid-air on nothing. Creation out death (evolution or millions of years to accommodate evolution) just obliterates the gospel.

Genesis is a true story but it is wrong to say that you can pinpoint the creation of the Earth and the Universe by God simply by calculating the genealogy tree of Adam and Eve about THEIR creation on this Earth by God wich is about more than 6,000 years ago.

 

[Luke17:37]

In a previous post you have said that i was mocking God's words when i have said that some animals may have become carnivorous including T-Rex because of a curse .... following Adam and Eve sin....

You didn't say that. You just said T-Rex is a meat-eater, period.

 

[Riberra]

You didn't say that. You just said T-Rex is a meat-eater, period.

See #5551

"Let see the program on the 5Th day God created all the animal walking on the Earth including all the big dinosaurs to be vegetarians ....then on the 6Th day God created Adam and Eve ....Adam and Eve falled in sin few moments after their creation then God cursed all the animals and the T-rex to became carnivorous until the flood who destroyed them all ."

 

[Luke17:37]

I was not mocking Genesis 1-11 nor you .Sorry if this is the impression that you have.



Genesis is a true story but it is wrong to say that you can pinpoint the creation of the Earth and the Universe by God simply by calculating the genealogy tree of Adam and Eve about THEIR creation on this Earth by God since 6,000 + years ago.

No; it is not wrong to say that God created the universe about six thousand years ago. That is the clear context of Scripture. The earth was made first, then the plants, then the heavenly bodies, then the birds of the air, the fish of the sea, and finally, land animals and man.

Adam and Eve were created on the sixth day, not after millions of years of death in a universe.

With millions of years of death, this makes God a liar since He said death is the penalty for sin and when He said that, Adam and Eve hadn't yet sinned.

Notice Adam and Eve weren't the only ones affected by their sin. The ground was affected. The serpent was affected. The first animal(s) lost their lives so their skins could become clothes (and now, some animals eat meat, where they did not before). Romans 8:20-22 says all creation is groaning and is subjected to God's curse. And the curse won't go away until Jesus destroys it.

 

[Fusion77]

OF COURSE a 5th grader could see that #7 is the last of THAT series. But that series has nothing to do with Paul's "last trump."

Well where is the other series of trumpets that you're talking about? I've never been able to find another series of trumpets.

 

[Luke17:37]

See #5551

"Let see the program on the 5Th day God created all the animal walking on the Earth including all the big dinosaurs to be vegetarians ....then on the 6Th day God created Adam and Eve ....Adam and Eve falled in sin few moments after their creation then God cursed all the animals and the T-rex to became carnivorous until the flood who destroyed them all ."

Okay, what about this is not mocking?

And the Bible doesn't say when T-Rex became carnivorous. It probably didn't happen until after the flood (similar to the way men weren't allowed to eat meat until after the flood). The animals obviously weren't eating meat on the ark.

 

[Hoghead1]

I know what Gen. 1:30 says. That isn't the problem. The problem I have with what you are saying is that you assume Scripture is inerrant. I call that the inerrancy theory, because that is what it is, a man-made theory about Scripture. Like any human-made theory, maybe it is true, maybe it is not. I tested it and I hold it is false. Secondly, you seem to be assuming original sin, which I hold to be unbiblical, to start with. So I have no trouble saying that T-Rex was a meat eater. I don't worry how Genesis relates to Christ's atonement, since, again, I don't hold with original sin. Furthermore, I do not hold with the penal-substitutionary theory of the atonement.

 

[BABerean2]

Exactly! Posttrib belief is indeed not sound doctrine, since scripture must be rearranged.
Go back again and see EXACTLY what order Rev. 19 is in. It's very simple: you have to rearrange to get your theory to work.

Pretrib does not.

Really...


Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.


And the other day you said there was no Grace during the trib...

Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
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[Douggg]

Yes, you are, because T-Rex is an animal God made. T-Rex was originally vegetarian since by God's Word, He made all animals originally vegetarian.

I personally don't think God directly created T-Rex. I think T-Rex was a result of Satan's angels getting into gene engineering .