Where is a "6000 year old earth" found in scripture?

[yeshuasavedme]

-Why are you hung up on the creation not being supernatural and not being exactly as God wrote it was done, in the exact time frame God said it was done in?
Creation is supernatural, not natural.
The flood of Noah was supernatural, not natural, also, but done on the created world by processes that are not natural, and which God will never do again, as He promised, and gave the token of the Rainbow in the clouds to seal the promise with.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Also, Skywriting, how old will the regenerated bodies "appear" to be when we who are born again in Spirit believers in Jesus clothed anew when the elements of our created flesh is dissolved in a twinkle of an eye and regenerated totally to the New Creation flesh?
I think you are hung up on processes taking ages of time, but in fact God does not need time to create anything by His Word.
He spoke, and it was, and is, and is sustained.

 

[ewq1938]

Interestingly, the Epistle of Barnabas is an early Christian work which says that the earth's duration will be 6,000 years because God made it in six days, and one day to Him is as a thousand years.

More interesting is that God had made the Earth and Heavens before the 6 days so God didn't take 6 days to make the Earth but he took 6 days to arrange it and fill it.

Also, while it is technically true one day to God is as a thousand years, the 6 days of creation were literal 24 hour days based on the sun rising and setting so each day is a normal Earth day, not one of God's days.

Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Even "if" we counted each day as a thousand years, the Earth was 7000 years old by the end of that first "week" and currently would be something over 14,000 years by today so we can safely toss out the old "6000 year" idea about the end coming.

 

[ewq1938]

Adam was one day old on day 7 of creation week.
Whose got a problem with that?

How could he be one day old before he was even created? Adam wasn't created until some time after the 7th day according to Gen 2.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

The Word of God is true from the beginning.
God is not an Adam that He shoud lie.
Adam was made on day 6 of the seven evenings and mornings of the first week of Ceation.

The created sun is not the light that God called into being, out of the darkness, on day 4 of creation week.
The sun is the governor of the light by day, which is the "Menorrah", created to receive the light and refract it back out to the entire universe, for there is nothing in the creation that does not receive the refracted light from the ordained governor of that light.

God also says, in the original Hebrew, that He has set His created heavenly temple in the created sun.
He also says the heavens circle the earth, from the beginning, making evenings and mornings as they circle the created "globe", named "earth" on day three of creation week, when He called the waters below the stretched out heavens to be gathered together in one place, and the "dry", to appear, which He named "earth", and the waters He called "seas".
He also says the sun runs its course in it's path in its circle in the heavens, around the earth, once, each evening and morning of the normal created day of the normal created week.

 

[SkyWriting]

"Says the 100's of people who each come up with a different result.
Evidently the methodology is flawed and the message from God, imaginary."

Skywriting,
Please list your hundreds and show where they get their information. -even just ten will do.

I'll start with you, and see if your count is accurate and matches any of the others.

Here are some of the reasons scripture is not supposed to be used to date Creation:
Did Adam become a father on his own birthday or the day before he turned a year older?
And all the others begats listed.
"Israel wandered in the desert for 40 years" is this exact?
"exactly how long it was before the judges started ruling Israel."?
"when one adjusts for the differences in calendrical systems"
"we don’t think that the Bible allows for to-the-year accuracy regarding the date of creation."
"The year is given as the 600th year of Noah’s life"
Is "600" an accurate number or a generalized number?
Is God such a stickler for years using round and even numbers like "40" and "600"
or is this how MAN measures time?
"so many Biblical events are referenced to the reigns of individual kings"
"We have never put an absolute date on the age of the earth. We feel that the Bible doesn't provide all the information necessary for certainty, as shown by the fact that almost every Bible scholar who has ever tried to discern the exact date has come to slightly different conclusions."

I think these are human accounting numbers and not God's measure of events.
The Bible was not written for man to date the day of creation. This is misusing scripture.

 

[miamited]

hi sky,

Well, in reading your above list of reasons, I find something of a flaw in your logic. All of your reasons are questions as to whether or not a date or timeline given of some other biblical event is accurate? However, you don't provide any answer to the questions. You merely assume that these accounts can't be accurate and that, therefore, the creation account should also be lumped in as a similar accounting.

You ask: Did Adam become a father on his own birthday or the day before he became a year older? Whether or not the genealogical birth accounts are on the first day of the father's reaching that age or the last, would, at most create discrepancies of 365 days or less per birth record.

Let me make perfectly clear that I have never considered that an 'exact' date of the creation can be determined by the creation timeline. However, one can certainly be accurate to within a few years. So, I'm agreeable to saying, for myself, that the creation is 'about' 6,000 years old, but I would never try to claim, as some do, that God spoke the earth into existence on May 4, 4592 B.C. What I will say is that based on the biblical timeline, ages of hundreds of thousands or millions or billions of years for the existence of all that God created are not correct.

Now, many are much more apt to use the wisdom of highly regarded and well trained scientific minds as the basis for their determination of the creation; I am not.

As to your other reasons:

Did Israel wander in the desert for 40 years? Well, that is what the Scriptures account and I see no reason to doubt its accuracy. Did they arrive at the Jordan river on the very anniversary of the 40th year of their leaving Egypt? Probably not, and the Scriptures don't tell us that they did. All it says is that they wandered in the desert for 40 years. Was it 40 years 3 days and 10 hours? Was it 40 years 100 days and 16 hours? Don't know. But I'm assured that it wasn't 50 years or 30 years. Or 20 years or a 100 years.

How long was it before the judges started ruling in Israel? Don't know exactly. However, I can pin it down to a 50-75 year date.

You seem to be stuck on the lack of the accuracy of the Scriptures in being able to tell us exactly what minute of what hour of what day of what year God said, "Let there be light". I don't look for that specificity in the many timelines given in the Scriptures. However, I'm assured that I can know within a few years or, on some of the greater time spans, a few dozen years of the exact day that certain events actually happened. That's honestly all I need. I just need to know what happened and roughly when it happened. For those seeking greater specificity, then I'm in agreement with you. The Scriptures do not allow us that knowledge.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[miamited]

Hi again sky,

Sorry, I had to stop for dinner. Then you close your post by writing: I think these are human accounting numbers and not God's measure of events.

I'm OK with that. It's what you think. It's what you believe. It's what you, with your wisdom and knowledge, have determined to be the truth that you believe. OK, but it isn't what I think. It isn't what I believe. It's not what I, with my wisdom and knowledge, have determined to be the truth that I believe.

So, this puts us in the position of seeking 'proof' to justify our separate positions. So far, what you have given as your 'proof' doesn't really seem to be any kind of solid evidence. You ask if the wandering was 40 years? Maybe it was and maybe it wasn't. But by merely asking such a question doesn't offer any 'proof'. If, on the other hand, you could find evidence that the wandering began on a specific day of a specific year and could then show that they came to the Jordan river on a specific day of a specific year 15 years later, then you would be offering proof. Of course, one would also have to define 'when' the Jews were considered to be 'wandering'. Is that the day that they left Egypt? Or, did it begin when God condemned them to wander because of their lack of faith in His ability to deliver them from the hands of those who were in the land the first time they sent spies to check it out? If it is the later, then we need to know the specific day of the specific year that the spies went out to see the land.

My proof is much more basic than yours. I believe that the whole of the Scriptures were given to us by God as His testimony of all that He has done to create this realm and bring salvation to mankind. I believe that everything that Israel has written down, since their inception as a society of people created to do the will of their God; that is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, has been carefully given to them by the Spirit of God. It is in no wise, the thoughts and ideas of man. I further believe that God cannot, and certainly can find no reason why He would, lie to us or cause half truths to be passed through His Holy Spirit to the hands of the men who wrote His Scriptures for mankind.

So, based on the belief that Paul had; that the Scriptures are God-breathed and that the people of Israel had, as one of their major functions in God's plan of revealing Himself to us, the responsibility of recording the very oracles of God, I believe that all the dates and times are all 'reasonably' accurate. So, I can't tell you the exact moment of a particular day in history an event took place, but I do trust that when God's word says 40 years, that it was 40 years.

I've lived now in South Carolina for 9 years. By that, I don't mean that I moved here on 12/25/2006. I merely mean that I have lived here now for 9 years.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[SkyWriting]

So, this puts us in the position of seeking 'proof' to justify our separate positions. So far, what you have given as your 'proof' doesn't really seem to be any kind of solid evidence. You ask if the wandering was 40 years? Maybe it was and maybe it wasn't. But by merely asking such a question doesn't offer any 'proof'. If, on the other hand, you could find evidence that the wandering began on a specific day of a specific year and could then show that they came to the Jordan river on a specific day of a specific year 15 years later, then you would be offering proof.

No, that would be offering support for an opinion or one conclusion. Not proof.
My support information that there are various roundy, roundy numbers in scripture
is support for my assertion that they are not intended to be added to together
by numerologists to come up with a date for creation.

My additional support is:

How old was
Adam when Created
Eve
fruit
trees
and dirt.

In the creation story....how old is dirt?


Inside the Creation story, how old is a nicely cooled planet with a
stable climate so you can walk around nude?

So to date what we think the age of the earth is, conservative literal Christians
need to add in the numbers above for what is described in scripture.

 

[SkyWriting]

Let me make perfectly clear that I have never considered that an 'exact' date of the creation can be determined by the creation timeline. However, one can certainly be accurate to within a few years.

The creation story includes a nicely cooled planet with walking people on it.
You seem to have overlooked the age of a cooled planet with dirt.
You need to add in those numbers too.
A nicely cooled planet, found in scripture, is more than, give or take a few years old.
One of my grandkids walked, give or take, a few years different from most.

 

[SkyWriting]

Why are you hung up on the creation not being supernatural and not being exactly as God wrote it was done, in the exact time frame God said it was done in?
Creation is supernatural, not natural.

I agree that natural numbers should not be used to determine the age of
the earth and that the bible does not give us natural numbers to use for
that purpose.

 

[SkyWriting]

My proof is much more basic than yours. I believe that the whole of the Scriptures were given to us by God as His testimony of all that He has done to create this realm and bring salvation to mankind. I believe that everything that Israel has written down, since their inception as a society of people created to do the will of their God; that is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, has been carefully given to them by the Spirit of God. It is in no wise, the thoughts and ideas of man. I further believe that God cannot, and certainly can find no reason why He would, lie to us or cause half truths to be passed through His Holy Spirit to the hands of the men who wrote His Scriptures for mankind.

If you insist on a 6000 year old earth, then I must insist that Adam was not "zero" age when created.
Same goes for earth.

 

[miamited]

Hi sky,

So, the god that you worship can't just speak and a planet appear fully formed hanging in the emptiness of space. With a mantle of dirt that has only existed for mere seconds. That didn't require to be cooled because it was created perfectly as one singular planet and not formed over eons of age by amorphous gases and other pieces of 'stuff' that was in the space that came together and congealed to form the planet.

I suppose one might think of it as magic, although I prefer the term miraculous, that just as the Scriptures seem to allude, God spoke and immediately objects became. Formed out of nothing more than the mere power and abilities of God. The dirt of the earth was created in the same moment as the earth itself as part and parcel of what a perfect earth would need to have to sustain a form of life that God was intending to create to live upon it.

The trees also appeared fully formed with their particular fruit already matured and hanging from the branches. In one moment the earth sat barren of plants and in the next it was somewhat covered with full grown mature trees with fruit hanging from them.

Similarly, Adam didn't exist on day five and on day six he did. Full grown with hair and skeletal structure of what we would call a mature man. God created from the dirt of the earth a fully grown and functioning man. He then did the same regarding Eve, although He did begin with a rib of Adam to establish the hierarchy of male/female relationship.

We live in a created realm. An existence made, formed and purposed by a being who has the power and abilities to merely say that something exist and it immediately does exist. In it's beginning existence, all that is necessary for each part to do and accomplish that for which it was created to do is fully thought out and brought into existence in that form and with whatever parts of its make up are needed for it to accomplish its purpose. It is the full difference in a science that teaches that everything needs time to 'become' perfect for accomplishing its task, i.e. earth cooling, dirt being broken down from other parts, etc. to a faith that sees that the only thing needed for anything in this realm to exist already perfect is God who made it so.

Some cannot fully appreciate the power and wisdom and abilities of God. They know a god who is certainly more powerful than themselves, but has some limits on even his abilities.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[yeshuasavedme]

The creation story includes a nicely cooled planet with walking people on it.
You seem to have overlooked the age of a cooled planet with dirt.
You need to add in those numbers too.
A nicely cooled planet, found in scripture, is more than, give or take a few years old.
One of my grandkids walked, give or take, a few years different from most.

You are not coming from the Word of God, so how can any reply from the Word speak to you?
The Creation account God gives us has no -zero/nada "nicely cooled planet".
Earth is not a planet in the Word of God, for it does not wander as the "wandering dark stars/planets" do.
Earth was not called out of the waters of this created globe and named until day 3 of creation week.
The world in Genesis 1 is a globe of water that has no forming together of the elements created in the waters until day 3 of creation week.
The waters of the created globe were divided in two on day 2 of creation week and the firmament of His powers was stretched out fromthis globe [which then and only then, on day two, did He name "two waters/shamayim/heavens"].
The stretched out firmament of His powers were not stretched out from this globe of waters until that day 3. Before that, they circled the globe, right here over the created world, making days of evenings and mornings as the divided out of the darkness light revolved around the globe with the revolving circle/powers of this creation.

The Firmament was stretched out between the divided in two waters of this globe, with half of the waters above the stretched out firmament of His Powers and half left below.
There was no "dry" called out of the waters of this globe unti day 3 of creation week, when the waters below were commanded to be gathered together in one place, and the "dry" to come into being out of them, and then, and only then, was the "dry" named/called "earth".

The "dry" was not mud", and the world was not created to wander [which word, "planet", means], and the world was not a "cooling globe of "hot" matter, but a globe of the waters of creation out of which all that is created was formed out of the elements of those waters.

 

[joshua 1 9]

What about the other 7 commandments? Should we adjust for the error and
follow all 17 commandments?

We should do everything God says to do. The law was give for our benefit to show us the way of righteousness. This is the way of life and health and healing. As David teaches us in the 119 psalm.

 

[SkyWriting]

You are not coming from the Word of God, so how can any reply from the Word speak to you?

Neither are you.

Your estimate of the year of creation is 100% human based.
This person begat that person, this king reigned for some unknown length of time,
etc. after these people wandered here and there...etc.
All based on MAN.

At no time is the scriptures does anybody give a hoot about the date of creation
and the age of the earth.

The exercise of dating the earth is all based on human ego.

 

[SkyWriting]

We should do everything God says to do. The law was give for our benefit to show us the way of righteousness. This is the way of life and health and healing. As David teaches us in the 119 psalm.

Like when Jesus was criticized for not following the Sabbath you mean?
So are you saying Jesus made a mistake?
Is stoning a good idea?

 

[joshua 1 9]

Like when Jesus was criticized for not following the Sabbath you mean?
So are you saying Jesus made a mistake?
Is stoning a good idea?

If you want to talk about the Bible could you please give me the verse you want to talk about. At the time of Jesus they had added to the Bible. This is why Jesus warns people about the traditions of man.

 

[SkyWriting]

If you want to talk about the Bible could you please give me the verse you want to talk about. At the time of Jesus they had added to the Bible. This is why Jesus warns people about the traditions of man.

We refer to it as The New Testament.

28"If an ox gores a man or a woman to death, the ox shall surely be stoned and its flesh shall not be eaten; but the owner of the ox shall go unpunished.29"If, however, an ox was previously in the habit of goring and its owner has been warned, yet he does not confine it and it kills a man or a woman, the ox shall be stoned and its owner also shall be put to death

36So all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him to death with stones, just as the LORD had commanded Moses.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Neither are you.

Your estimate of the year of creation is 100% human based.
This person begat that person, this king reigned for some unknown length of time,
etc. after these people wandered here and there...etc.
All based on MAN.

At no time is the scriptures does anybody give a hoot about the date of creation
and the age of the earth.

The exercise of dating the earth is all based on human ego.

You completely ignored my post and the refutation of your total acceptance of man made myths that have absolutely zero/nada reasons for being used to try to toss out the absolute truth of the Word of God about His Creation from the beginning.
Your belief system has no foundation in the Word of God, from the beginning.

But for those who like the Word of God for discovering truth: God has many ways to check and cross check the time of the beginning, using His own calendar which He set from the beginning of creation, and which He has never changed.

Adam was created the second day after fall equinox, on day 6 of creation week, and God ordained the religious first of the year to begin at spring equinox when Noah stepped out of the Ark.
God set days of 18 parts each, with darkness and light being of unequal parts except at equinoxes, but making 18 each day, by the light and darkness completing one circle around the earth, from the beginning to the end of the day..
So we call it "24 hour days", but God exactly measures one day by 18 parts, sunset to sunset. God set a year of those days to be exactly 360 calendar counted days, and 4 Sabbath days called "Stops" at the head of each of the four seasons, and those four stops are numbered in the calendar year at the end, but their parts are not numbered on the stop days, nor are they counted as a numbered day of the week. The day before the stops and after are numbered in the weeks, making exactly 52 weeks in a year, and the four numbers added to make a 364 day calendar year, from the beginning, and forever.

Then God also created His clock years measured in the heavens as Jubilee years. There are 50 years of the ordinary days in one Jubilee year, and seven weeks of seven ordinary years, each, which God ordained in this present creation exactly 140 Jubilee years, before the New Beginning, which makes exactly 7,000 years of this present creation.

That is two of His heavenly calendars, counting time in this creation from the beginning. He has at least two more that I know of, but that is too much for you if you will not study His Word so that He may "open your eyes that you may behold wondrous things out of His Torah/Law".

God's calendars have never changed, though men mess with His times and His seasons. His own set seasons go on being measured in the heavenly calendar system, measuring time and rolling the years forward to the ordained season for the New Beginning, which comes after the seven year week of one thousand years each are completed, with the last one being His Thousand Year Sabbath for this present creation.

And there are plenty of writings that show the facts of the Word are true from the beginning, and God measures time from the beginning of creation, Exactly, by His heavenly calendar system.