The Second Coming not before 2065?

[Dave Watchman]

The first question that should be asked regarding these sorts of theories - did Jesus speak about his return in terms of Jubilee's ?

No, what Jesus spoke about was learn a parable of the fig tree. Jerusalem is the fig tree, back in the hands of the Jews in 1967, which 70 years later is the limit of that generation. 2037 comes long before 2065.

Did Jesus speak about his return in terms of Jubilee's? The answer is that He may have. And He might have done it in an amazing way about 600 years before He was born in Bethlehem, He spoke through His Prophet Daniel (Let The Reader Understand).

Keep in mind that the 50th year of Jubilee also becomes year 1 of the next cycle so counting them goes like this: 49+49+49+49+49+49+49+49+49+49 = 490 years.


Sir Isaac Newton
on Daniel 9:

"The former part of the Prophecy related to the first coming of Christ, being dated to his coming as a Prophet; this being dated to his coming to be Prince or King, seems to relate to his second coming. There, the Prophet was consummate, and the most holy anointed: here, he that was anointed comes to be Prince and to reign. For Daniel's Prophecies reach to the end of the world; and there is scarce a Prophecy in the Old Testament concerning Christ, which doth not in something or other relate to his second coming."

"This part of the Prophecy being therefore not yet fulfilled, I shall not attempt a particular interpretation of it, but content myself with observing, that as the seventy and the sixty two weeks were Jewish weeks, ending with sabbatical years; so the seven weeks are the compass of a Jubilee, and begin and end with actions proper for a Jubilee, and of the highest nature for which a Jubilee can be kept: and that since the commandment to return and to build Jerusalem, precedes the Messiah the Prince 49 years; it may perhaps come forth not from the Jews themselves, but from some other kingdom friendly to them, and precede their return from captivity, and give occasion to it."

"Thus have we in this short Prophecy, a prediction of all the main periods relating to the coming of the Messiah; the time of his birth, that of his death, that of the rejection of the Jews, the duration of the Jewish war whereby he caused the city and sanctuary to be destroyed, and the time of his second coming: and so the interpretation here given is more full and complete and adequate to the design, than if we should restrain it to his first coming only, as Interpreters usually do. We avoid also the doing violence to the language of Daniel, by taking the seven weeks and sixty two weeks for one number. Had that been Daniel's meaning, he would have said sixty and nine weeks, and not seven weeks and sixty two weeks."

"Know therefore and understand,
that from the going forth of the commandment to
restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince
shall be seven weeks"
​

Seven weeks of years is 49 years.

Newton believed that some day in the future Israel would become a nation again. Another decree would then follow to restore and build Jerusalem. He was certain that from the time of this event, the simple addition of seven heptads or 49 years would provide us with the greatest heads up of all time. Isaac believed that this spoke to the second coming when Jesus would arrive anointed and come to be Prince and to reign as the King of Kings.

On Passover eve April 1,1969, the Knesset made an official Governmental decree to restore and build Jerusalem.

St. Petersburg Times 1969:

JERUSALEM - One of the most dramatic restoration projects in the history of cities is forging ahead in the ancient walled city of Jerusalem. The reconstruction of the Jewish quarter of the Old City, lost to the Jews in the 1948 war after centuries of occupancy, is one of the high priority projects of the Israeli government.
The Jewish quarter, which consist of about 25 acres on the eastern side of the Old City, was confiscated by the Israelis on their entrance into the Old City immediately after the 1967 six day war.​

RIGHT NOW, it is made up about equally of the jumbled, picturesque building accretions of hundreds of years and the rubble of destruction. In the future, it will be a meticulously restored historic enclave for modern occupancy by 500 to 700 families and commercial enterprises, or about 2000 to 3000 people.
The rebuilding and reoccupation of the Jewish quarter has particular significance for the Israelis. It represents more than the consolidation of Israel's geographic gains by settling Jews in the eastern part of the occupied territory. It re-establishes a Jewish community in it's ancient and traditional location within the Old City walls and carries a high degree of religious symbolism.​

And the JQDC was established in 1969 by the Government of Israel.

The Company for the Reconstruction and Development of the Jewish Quarter in the Old City of Jerusalem Ltd. (JQDC) is the only fully owned government company operating within the environs of the Old City of Jerusalem.
(The company is fully owned by the Ministry of Construction and Housing).

The company was established in 1969, after the liberation of Jerusalem, and is the governmental arm for carrying out governmental policy in the Old City of Jerusalem.JQDC is the primary real-estate leaser of public land, totaling some 133 dunams within the walls of the Old City (zone of appropriation) and an additional 17.500 dunams outside the walls (in the City of David).
The company also acts as a government housing company, and as such it acts as real-estate registrar, conversion and transfer of rights, legal prosecution regarding the appropriation, demands of ownership, evictions and management of the land registration ledgers.

http://www.rova-yehudi.org.il/company-profile/

1969 + 49 is 2018

1948 + 70 is 2018

Like Blind Fanny Crosby said:

Watch and wait.

Jesus, keep me near the cross,
There a precious fountain—
Free to all, a healing stream—
Flows from Calv’ry’s mountain.

In the cross, in the cross,
Be my glory ever;
Till my raptured soul shall find
Rest beyond the river.

Near the cross, a trembling soul,
Love and Mercy found me;
There the bright and morning star
Sheds its beams around me.

In the cross, in the cross,
Be my glory ever;
Till my raptured soul shall find
Rest beyond the river.

Near the cross! O Lamb of God,
Bring its scenes before me;
Help me walk from day to day,
With its shadows o’er me.

In the cross, in the cross,
Be my glory ever;
Till my raptured soul shall find
Rest beyond the river.

Near the cross I’ll watch and wait
Hoping, trusting ever,
Till I reach the golden strand,
Just beyond the river.

Fanny Crosby, 1869

 

[Job8]

I know we shouldn't set dates, but some of us like to be in the know. Your thoughts?

It is a distinct possibility, but any date-setting is a red flag.

 

[Job8]

Any timeline that claims a 3rd temple would be pleasing to God, is faulty.

Not "pleasing to God" but "allowed by God" to fulfil all things. There is absolutely no question that a third temple will stand in Jerusalem.

 

[Douggg]

Not "pleasing to God" but "allowed by God" to fulfil all things. There is absolutely no question that a third temple will stand in Jerusalem.

ditto. A third temple of some sort with facilities to carry out the animal sacrifices.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Not "pleasing to God" but "allowed by God" to fulfil all things. There is absolutely no question that a third temple will stand in Jerusalem.

Amen! His Word will be fulfilled. It is plainly given in scripture. It isn't a riddle to be figured out.It is not a parable, or an allegory.It cannot be twisted to mean something other that what it plainly says.

 

[Strong in Him]

I've just come across this piece of information in the new book The Jubilee Prophecy by an author named Steven Nichols. His theory is closely related to the Jewish Jubilee restorations, where he talks about the upcoming restoration of the Temple, after the two precious restorations in Israel - that of the land and that of Jerusalem, when they got back in Jewish hands.

According to him, each restoration is 49/50 years apart, and is explained through Jewish Jubilee. The last one was in 1967, when Jerusalem was restored, now, 50 years later, in 2016, if Jubilee decides to follow the restoration pattern, the Temple should be restored

1967 + 50 years is 2017 - if that means anything.

and 50 years later, in 1965, the Christ will come to establish the Millennial Kingdom.

If you mean 1965, then we've missed him.
If you're adding 50 to 2017 - though I don't understand why - then that makes 2067.

I just opened a page on facebook, and when selecting a year in the drop down menu, the menu extends only to 2065. Coincidence much? Don't think so!

Really? A secular website, which has a drop down menu as one of its features, only goes to the year 2065, and you take this as divine confirmation - over and above the Scriptures - as being the date of the Lord's return? What happens next year if the website's menu extends to 2016? Or in 2021 if the menu extends to 2071?

I suppose 2065 is as good a date to guess as any - the added advantage being that some of us, and/or this forum, may not be around then to point out that it hasn't happened.
Seriously though, over they years we have seen many dates - either for the Lord's return or the start of "end times" - suggested. Nearly all of these claim to be based on, or prophesied in, Scripture, and yet none have been fulfilled. I remember one forummer here getting quite cross with me when I questioned his interpretation of Scripture, and said that it WAS prophesied as he said and that it WOULD happen. It didn't.

 

[Another Lazarus]

If Jesus returns in 2065 mankind may have moved to Mars already.
Or perhaps the life on earth will already vanish by nuclear wars
only bactery remains.

May Jesus bless you all HalleluYAH

 

[ebedmelech]

Guess what? Every prediction has failed! We do better to simply be good witnesses and do His work until He comes!

Luke 18:1-8 is in order.

Many will quote 2 Peter 3:8, not realizing the figure "1000 years" is descriptive of an UKNOWN period of time when it comes to God.

A typical passages that shows this is Exodus 20:4-6:
4 “You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth.
5 You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me,
6 but showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

Another is Deuteronomy 7:9-11
9 Know therefore that the Lord your God, He is God, the faithful God, who keeps His covenant and His lovingkindness to a thousandth generation with those who love Him and keep His commandments;
10 but repays those who hate Him to their faces, to destroy them; He will not delay with him who hates Him, He will repay him to his face.
11 Therefore, you shall keep the commandment and the statutes and the judgments which I am commanding you today, to do them.

Peter is quoting Psalm 90:4, however, for context look at Psalm 90:1-6:
Lord, You have been our dwelling place in all generations.
2 Before the mountains were born Or You gave birth to the earth and the world, Even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God.
3 You turn man back into dust And say, “Return, O children of men.”
4 For a thousand years in Your sight Are like yesterday when it passes by, Or as a watch in the night.
5 You have swept them away like a flood, they fall asleep; In the morning they are like grass which sprouts anew.
6 In the morning it flourishes and sprouts anew; Toward evening it fades and withers away.

I've heard many many Christians try to look at 2 Peter 3:8 literally, but the fact is, IT IS NOT! The use of 1000 BY GOD, or from God's viewpoint, is an undetermined amount of time.

 

[Dave Watchman]

Guess what? Every prediction has failed! [We do better to simply be good witnesses and do His work until He comes!]

"Go, Tell It On The Mountain"

While shepherds kept their watching
Over silent flocks by night,
Behold throughout the heavens,
There shone a holy light:

Go, Tell It On The Mountain,
Over the hills and everywhere;
Go, Tell It On The Mountain
That Jesus Christ is born.

The shepherds feared and trembled
When lo! above the earth
Rang out the angel chorus
That hailed our Saviour's birth:

Go, Tell It On The Mountain,
Over the hills and everywhere;
Go, Tell It On The Mountain
That Jesus Christ is born.

Down in a lowly manger
Our humble Christ was born
And God send us salvation,
That blessed Christmas morn:

Go, Tell It On The Mountain,
Over the hills and everywhere;
Go, Tell It On The Mountain
That Jesus Christ is born.

When I am a seeker,
I seek both night and day;
I seek the Lord to help me,
And He shows me the way:

Go, Tell It On The Mountain,
Over the hills and everywhere;
Go, Tell It On The Mountain
That Jesus Christ is born.

He made me a watchman
Upon the city wall,
And if I am a Christian,
I am the least of all.

Go, Tell It On The Mountain,
Over the hills and everywhere;
Go, Tell It On The Mountain
That Jesus Christ is born.

John W. Work, Jr.-1907

Therefore comfort one another with these words.

And have a peaceful rest of the Sabbath.

 

[Douggg]

"Go, Tell It On The Mountain"

While shepherds kept their watching
Over silent flocks by night,
Behold throughout the heavens,
There shone a holy light:

Go, Tell It On The Mountain,
Over the hills and everywhere;
Go, Tell It On The Mountain
That Jesus Christ is born.

The shepherds feared and trembled
When lo! above the earth
Rang out the angel chorus
That hailed our Saviour's birth:

Go, Tell It On The Mountain,
Over the hills and everywhere;
Go, Tell It On The Mountain
That Jesus Christ is born.

Down in a lowly manger
Our humble Christ was born
And God send us salvation,
That blessed Christmas morn:

Go, Tell It On The Mountain,
Over the hills and everywhere;
Go, Tell It On The Mountain
That Jesus Christ is born.

When I am a seeker,
I seek both night and day;
I seek the Lord to help me,
And He shows me the way:

Go, Tell It On The Mountain,
Over the hills and everywhere;
Go, Tell It On The Mountain
That Jesus Christ is born.

He made me a watchman
Upon the city wall,
And if I am a Christian,
I am the least of all.

Go, Tell It On The Mountain,
Over the hills and everywhere;
Go, Tell It On The Mountain
That Jesus Christ is born.

John W. Work, Jr.-1907

Therefore comfort one another with these words.

And have a peaceful rest of the Sabbath.

 

[Ronald]

I've just come across this piece of information in the new book The Jubilee Prophecy by an author named Steven Nichols. His theory is closely related to the Jewish Jubilee restorations, where he talks about the upcoming restoration of the Temple, after the two precious restorations in Israel - that of the land and that of Jerusalem, when they got back in Jewish hands.

According to him, each restoration is 49/50 years apart, and is explained through Jewish Jubilee. The last one was in 1967, when Jerusalem was restored, now, 50 years later, in 2016, if Jubilee decides to follow the restoration pattern, the Temple should be restored (and the preparations are ongoing, with the altar already built), and 50 years later, in 1965, the Christ will come to establish the Millennial Kingdom.

I just opened a page on facebook, and when selecting a year in the drop down menu, the menu extends only to 2065. Coincidence much? Don't think so!

I know we shouldn't set dates, but some of us like to be in the know. Your thoughts?

Wrong! The Jubilee Year will begin before the end of 2017, since Jerusalem was recaptured in 1967. Israel became a nation in 1948. Add 70 years to that (three score plus ten = one generation) and within this generation we will see Christ's return. So, the Great Tribulation will have begun before 2018. I could be wrong, but there's the math in addition to all the current events setting the stage as well. We could not suffer this Islamic movement for another 50 years -- please. There is a 15 minute video that explains the demographics of the Islamic movement and how it would (by numbers and force) transform the world within the next 30 years. A culture cannot survive unless it produces 2 children per family. Muslims have 4.5-6.5 children per family. Do the math and you'll see that Europe will be under Muslim authority and will be bowing down to Allah in 30 years if Jesus doesn't return soon. Btw, Islam is the "Beast" in Daniel and Revelation. Sorry to offend anyone, but Jesus is the only way. So all other religions need to listen to what Jesus claimed: I am the way, the truth and the life and NO ONE comes to the Father but by ME."

 

[parousia70]

(three score plus ten = one generation)

Says who?
What scripture teaches that?

 

[Ronald]

Says who?
What scripture teaches that?

King David said it!
"The days of our lives are seventy years; and if by reason of strength they are eighty years ..." Psalm 90:10 NKJ He was talking to God about His eternal nature and our frailty.
God has limited our days up to 120 years but the average generation is about 70. Currently it may be 78 in the USA but depending on where you live, it varies. But can all agree, 40 years is not a lifetime today, it may have been long ago, but any prophecy pertaining to the end times and specifically to the last generation would be about 70 years.

 

[Fusion77]

I think I should share what I believe is to happen in the not so distant future. Along with that, to offer some advice, along with this warning. I would advise that we all get as close to God as is possible. Through prayer, His word, fellowship etc. Ask the Lord to remove anything which may be displeasing to Him, from out of our lives. This could only be a win win situation.


I would warn that a Great War is coming soon. That the Lord is about to shake the heavens and the earth, as stated in Haggai 2:20-23. I feel like I should give warning beforehand. We should all know that this is yet an unfulfilled prophecy, as God has not yet shaken both the heavens and the earth. We know this from Hebrews 12:26-27.



I believe with a certainty of about 99% that this message has gone forth on the 24th day of the 9th month (Kislev) in our year 2015, which was the first day of Chanukah, which is the first day of the feast of dedication, which was on 12/06/2015. I do not know exactly when this "shaking" will occur, but I believe it will be this year. of course, it could be more than a year. I will move one punctuation mark from 2:20-21 Look at Haggai 2:20-21 in the ESV a good word for word. I will simply move one period.
the word of the Lord came a second time to Haggai. On the 24th day of the month, Speak to Zerubbabel, the Governor of Judah saying "I am about to shake the heavens and the earth".

What I am saying, is that the Lord preserved that message for about 2535 years and delivered it last month, on the 24th day of Kislev, which is the 9th month. That unfulfilled prophecy, is soon to be fulfilled.

If Amos 3:7 says He will reveal it first to His servants the prophets. And this end time Zerubbabel is His servant and that according to Haggai 2:23.


Concerning 2065. Too long. Let's take it in stride. After this war, many things will be be changed. After the war, likely at least 7 years, possibly up to 20 years.

 

[Rae46]

I think it a little counter-productive to try and set dates. As Jesus said no one can know...not even him...only the Father...well...it just seems like you're trying to bet against Jesus. Don't get me wrong...I'd LOVE to know. I'd love to get in on the date setting...it makes the return seem a little more 'real'. But it just isn't worth it. All previous date setters have been proven wrong, so I do wonder why people think that they've managed to come up with the secret ingredient!
A thought, however. If you go back through history, a lot of the famous church 'fathers' or scholars, thought they were living in the season when Christ returned. These were giants in theology and study. If they...ignoring all the previous claims that "we're in the end moment" of their forefathers, thought it was still a feasible belief...maybe every generation should believe it. Maybe living like we truly believe Jesus is coming next month, next year, next decade, is part of truly thirsting for Christ. And debating about times or Eschatology belief systems only keeps that end goal in view, nice and fresh so we're always thinking about his return. Now if only we could go about it with something that looks like Christ-like love! I've never understood why so many people will go to war over these topics! "The millennium...a thousand years of peace Christians like to fight about!"

One last thought on date setting....I've heard it said that when someone like Harold Camping makes a date prediction, we can all be assured that Christ won't come then...except, since we're all not expecting him then, that would probably be a good time for him to come! Can't win, huh??

 

[Luke17:37]

I've just come across this piece of information in the new book The Jubilee Prophecy by an author named Steven Nichols. His theory is closely related to the Jewish Jubilee restorations, where he talks about the upcoming restoration of the Temple, after the two precious restorations in Israel - that of the land and that of Jerusalem, when they got back in Jewish hands.

According to him, each restoration is 49/50 years apart, and is explained through Jewish Jubilee. The last one was in 1967, when Jerusalem was restored, now, 50 years later, in 2016, if Jubilee decides to follow the restoration pattern, the Temple should be restored (and the preparations are ongoing, with the altar already built), and 50 years later, in 1965, the Christ will come to establish the Millennial Kingdom.

I just opened a page on facebook, and when selecting a year in the drop down menu, the menu extends only to 2065. Coincidence much? Don't think so!

I know we shouldn't set dates, but some of us like to be in the know. Your thoughts?

None of that makes sense to me. The Jubilees were never honored by the Jews and Israel is largely secular.

Hosea 5:14-6:2
14 For I will be like a lion to Ephraim,
And like a young lion to the house of Judah.
I, even I, will tear them and go away;
I will take them away, and no one shall rescue.
15 I will return again to My place
Till they acknowledge their offense.
Then they will seek My face;
In their affliction they will earnestly seek Me.”
6 Come, and let us return to the Lord;
For He has torn, but He will heal us;
He has stricken, but He will bind us up.
2 After two days He will revive us;
On the third day He will raise us up,
That we may live in His sight.

Israel (for the most part) rejected the Messiah and He returned to heaven while they got scattered over the face of the earth.

Jesus won't return until a sizable remnant of Jews worship Him (5:15). (Only about 1% Jews are believed to be followers of Christ today... not enough.)

It says after two days he will revive them (the Jewish people). It wasn't two days literally. Perhaps two thousand years? Maybe after two thousand years have passed, Israel in their misery (they aren't exactly in misery now, either) will experience a profound revival (repentance and faith in Yeshua as their Messiah). What if these two days mean two thousand years? Maybe Jesus will come some year after that. According to that principle (a guess... perhaps there is nothing to it), it won't be earlier than 2033. We aren't going to have much confidence in its nearness until the fig tree starts bearing leaves. The leaves... false Christs, false prophets, wars, earthquakes, famines, severe Christian persecution, great apostasy, false returns of Christ, signs in the sun, moon, stars, etc. (Matthew 24) Paul said the day of Christ won't take believers by surprise. We won't know the exact day (of course), but as the prophecies unfold Christians will have a general idea.

 

[Dave Watchman]

it won't be earlier than 2033. We aren't going to have much confidence in its nearness until the fig tree starts bearing leaves. The leaves... false Christs, false prophets, wars, earthquakes, famines, severe Christian persecution, great apostasy, false returns of Christ, signs in the sun, moon, stars, etc. (Matthew 24)

I wonder what your gut feel on it is. 2065, 2033 or before? There's a Hebraic version of Matthew called duTillet which reads earthquake in everyplace. That sounds like a global earthquake and we didn't have one of those yet.

I think that you could be right about the 2033 area because similarly to now there will be two sets of solar eclipses which act as bookends that frame in a 1335 day period. But there's no tetrads with them.

There's also the U.S. sodomite law occurring exactly 1290 days before the last solar and lunar eclipse of our current area of interest.

Remember how in Matthew after seeing the abomination of desolation we are told to flee and not come back to collect our belongings. Now notice in the Luke version how those same instructions come right after "the days of Lot".

Luke 17:
Just as it was in the days of Noah, so will it be in the days of the Son of Man.
They were eating and drinking and marrying and being given in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all.
Likewise, just as it was in the days of Lot—they were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building, but on the day when Lot went out from Sodom, fire and sulfur rained from heaven and destroyed them all— so will it be on the day when the Son of Man is revealed. On that day, let the one who is on the housetop, with his goods in the house, not come down to take them away, and likewise let the one who is in the field not turn back.

In EXACTLY 1290 days after June 26, 2015 when the United States became the 21st country to make legal same sex marriage, there will be a solar eclipse followed by a blood moon. These two eclipses also have a sort of unique spacing of days with the solar and lunar eclipse that were part of the tetrads that we've just passed through.

The first location on the planet to witness this darkening of the sun begins on January 5 at 11:34 PM. The last location to see this eclipse end will culminate on Jan 6 at 3:48 AM.

This would make it impossible to know the day or the hour.

http://www.timeanddate.com/date/durationresult.html?m1=6&d1=26&y1=2015&m2=1&d2=6&y2=2019

http://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/solar/2019-january-6

http://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/lunar/2019-january-21

 

[Luke17:37]

I wonder what your gut feel on it is. 2065, 2033 or before? There's a Hebraic version of Matthew called duTillet which reads earthquake in everyplace. That sounds like a global earthquake and we didn't have one of those yet.

I think that you could be right about the 2033 area because similarly to now there will be two sets of solar eclipses which act as bookends that frame in a 1335 day period. But there's no tetrads with them.

There's also the U.S. sodomite law occurring exactly 1290 days before the last solar and lunar eclipse of our current area of interest.

Remember how in Matthew after seeing the abomination of desolation we are told to flee and not come back to collect our belongings. Now notice in the Luke version how those same instructions come right after "the days of Lot".

Luke 17:
Just as it was in the days of Noah, so will it be in the days of the Son of Man.
They were eating and drinking and marrying and being given in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all.
Likewise, just as it was in the days of Lot—they were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building, but on the day when Lot went out from Sodom, fire and sulfur rained from heaven and destroyed them all— so will it be on the day when the Son of Man is revealed. On that day, let the one who is on the housetop, with his goods in the house, not come down to take them away, and likewise let the one who is in the field not turn back.

In EXACTLY 1290 days after June 26, 2015 when the United States became the 21st country to make legal same sex marriage, there will be a solar eclipse followed by a blood moon. These two eclipses also have a sort of unique spacing of days with the solar and lunar eclipse that were part of the tetrads that we've just passed through.

The first location on the planet to witness this darkening of the sun begins on January 5 at 11:34 PM. The last location to see this eclipse end will culminate on Jan 6 at 3:48 AM.

This would make it impossible to know the day or the hour.

http://www.timeanddate.com/date/durationresult.html?m1=6&d1=26&y1=2015&m2=1&d2=6&y2=2019

http://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/solar/2019-january-6

http://www.timeanddate.com/eclipse/lunar/2019-january-21

I don't really understand what you're saying or see its significance in Scripture.

The people who were surprised by the flood and the fire and brimstone (in Lot's day) were the wicked... also at the return of Christ, the wicked will die and be eaten by vultures (Revelation 19).

Christians, by contrast, aren't supposed to cling to their physical lives or belongings (no self preservation) - if they do, they could end up preserving their life and damning their soul.

There's no such thing as a forced conversion - there is always a choice (convert or pay a price). Let's be resolved to remain faithful to Jesus, even if a jihadist wants to cut off our head. (Humanly, it scares me, too, but hell is infinitely worse.)

 

[Dave Watchman]

I don't really understand what you're saying or see its significance in Scripture.

Matthew 24:15
“So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let the one who is on the housetop not go down to take what is in his house, and let the one who is in the field not turn back to take his cloak. (then comes great tribulation)

Luke 17:28
"Likewise, just as it was in the days of Lot—they were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building, but on the day when Lot went out from Sodom, fire and sulfur rained from heaven and destroyed them all— so will it be on the day when the Son of Man is revealed. On that day, let the one who is on the housetop, with his goods in the house, not come down to take them away, and likewise let the one who is in the field not turn back.

In the Matthew version we are supposed to run after seeing the abomination of desolation.

In the Luke version we are supposed to run after seeing the days of Lot?

Are they trying to tell us that the abomination of desolation is the days of Lot?

Leviticus 18:

22You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.
23And you shall not lie with any animal and so make yourself unclean with it, neither shall any woman give herself to an animal to lie with it: it is perversion.
24“Do not make yourselves unclean by any of these things, for by all these the nations I am driving out before you have become unclean,
25and the land became unclean, so that I punished its iniquity, and the land vomited out its inhabitants.
26But you shall keep my statutes and my rules and do none of these abominations, either the native or the stranger who sojourns among you
27(for the people of the land, who were before you, did all of these abominations, so that the land became unclean),
28lest the land vomit you out when you make it unclean, as it vomited out the nation that was before you.
29For everyone who does any of these abominations, the persons who do them shall be cut off from among their people.
30So keep my charge never to practice any of these abominable customs that were practiced before you, and never to make yourselves unclean by them: I am the Lord your God.”​

On June 26, 2015 the Supreme Court legalized same-sex marriage across the United States in a divided ruling that will stand as one of the major milestones in its 226-year history.

And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away,
and the abomination that maketh desolate set up,
there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.​

“So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel,
standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.​

 

[Luke17:37]

Matthew 24:15
“So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let the one who is on the housetop not go down to take what is in his house, and let the one who is in the field not turn back to take his cloak. (then comes great tribulation)

Luke 17:28
"Likewise, just as it was in the days of Lot—they were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building, but on the day when Lot went out from Sodom, fire and sulfur rained from heaven and destroyed them all— so will it be on the day when the Son of Man is revealed. On that day, let the one who is on the housetop, with his goods in the house, not come down to take them away, and likewise let the one who is in the field not turn back.

In the Matthew version we are supposed to run after seeing the abomination of desolation.

In the Luke version we are supposed to run after seeing the days of Lot?

Are they trying to tell us that the abomination of desolation is the days of Lot?

Leviticus 18:

22You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.
23And you shall not lie with any animal and so make yourself unclean with it, neither shall any woman give herself to an animal to lie with it: it is perversion.
24“Do not make yourselves unclean by any of these things, for by all these the nations I am driving out before you have become unclean,
25and the land became unclean, so that I punished its iniquity, and the land vomited out its inhabitants.
26But you shall keep my statutes and my rules and do none of these abominations, either the native or the stranger who sojourns among you
27(for the people of the land, who were before you, did all of these abominations, so that the land became unclean),
28lest the land vomit you out when you make it unclean, as it vomited out the nation that was before you.
29For everyone who does any of these abominations, the persons who do them shall be cut off from among their people.
30So keep my charge never to practice any of these abominable customs that were practiced before you, and never to make yourselves unclean by them: I am the Lord your God.”​

On June 26, 2015 the Supreme Court legalized same-sex marriage across the United States in a divided ruling that will stand as one of the major milestones in its 226-year history.

And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away,
and the abomination that maketh desolate set up,
there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.​

“So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel,
standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.​

I don't know. America isn't the lawgiver of the world. But I know that homosexuality grieves God and is also a means of God's judgment (Romans 1). America's decision is hastening her judgment, I'm afraid.