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Paul's limited understanding!
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talitha
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That's because the purpose of his letters was to communicate with churches - i.e.: people who had already accepted the foundational truths of the Gospel. I don't put the virgin birth in every letter I write; that doesn't mean I don't believe in it or that I have "limited understanding".
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How much of the preaching of Jesus he knew and understood? Gospels were written after he started his epistles.
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talitha
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True, but The Gospel was something he himself witnessed, and Jesus, via the Holy Spirit, was actively involved in his life. Also, there was an oral tradition during his lifetime that we can't really appreciate as 21st century people.
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This what Paul wrote here can be considered describing a virgin birth, if Mary was a virgin, Christ made of a women.
So Christ come to happen of events, become, be made, arose of a women. So the man is not mentioned, since the Christ did not arise from man and women, but God and women.
Gal 4:4
From the greek word ginomai
But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, made (born) of a woman, born under the law,
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G1096&t=NKJV
Defined as
So Christ come to happen of events, become, be made, arose of a women. So the man is not mentioned, since the Christ did not arise from man and women, but God and women.
Gal 4:4
From the greek word ginomai
But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, made (born) of a woman, born under the law,
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G1096&t=NKJV
Defined as
- to become, i.e. to come into existence, begin to be, receive being
- to become, i.e. to come to pass, happen
- of events
- to arise, appear in history, come upon the stage
- of men appearing in public
- to be made, finished
- of miracles, to be performed, wrought
- to become, be made
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Further reading in Galatians 4 points out Paul is saying God is Christ's Father so that we may receive adoption as sons of God.
We are not adopted into Joseph's family, we are adopted into the family of God.
5 to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.
6 And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!” 7 Therefore you are no longer a slave but a son, and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
We are not adopted into Joseph's family, we are adopted into the family of God.
5 to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.
6 And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!” 7 Therefore you are no longer a slave but a son, and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
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Actually, many of Paul's epistles were only applicable to a specific church being addressed to...
What this means is NOT all of Paul's teachings apply to us. We're not supposed to be teaching them all in churches! They were very specific for a time period and for a specific culture. Certainly not ours!
As Apostle Peter have said, many have misunderstood Paul's letters in their time......And we are still doing it TODAY!
Many Christian denominations that don't agree with each other, helloooo! That's -1 for misusing Paul's epistles. Now let's make a headcount on who will be saved..... Probably just very few...
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Paul's doctrines are applicable to all christians.
Paul was writing frequently about doctrinal errors and misunderstandings about Christ and the church which all christians can fall into.
AND the big one, is Paul is describing our salvation experience, the why we are saved. What are in many writings deeper fundamentals which people today still argue about, such as Ephesians 1 and 2, Romans 8, 9, 10, 11, etc...
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If your position is that St. Paul could not have known of the events described in the Gospels because they post-date his epistles, you have it quite literally backwards. We know that St. Paul had knowledge of events described in the Gospels (compare 1 Corinthians 11 with the synoptic accounts of the Last Supper; it is fair to say that the synoptics based their description on St. Paul and not vice-versa).
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timewerx
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There are many contradictions between Paul's own teachings.
So I guess that has nothing to do with Paul's intention to adapt his teachings as per culture?
Why did Peter said many has been misusing Paul's teachings? Is it probably because they are using something that does not belong to them?
So why is Christianity divided today? Is it because we are taking all of Paul's teachings which are distinctly adapted for different cultures?? It makes no surprise why we are....*sigh*.
Is it really God we are following or the folly of the majority? Jesus said, only few will find it so why am I surprised....
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Name one.
Where is it written that Peter said that?
You might have a bit of a point there - people refuse to view the letters of Paul in context and consider the first-century style of polemics and writing, and that causes problems.
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