Did the Catholic Church changed the Sabbath to Sunday?

[BukiRob]

And they have the seal of the devil on their foreheads according to the fringe SDA. Way off the mark

Why do you keep bringing up SDA? I'm not a part of the seventh day adventists.

The Mark of the Beast is not a physical mark IMHO just like the seal/sign/mark spoken about in Revelation is not a physical mark....

 

[Bob S]

I agree with her on one point, once someone is shown that the Sabbath is the day of worship, not Sunday, they are going against God by not keeping it.

Thank you for looking that up. I challenged you to prove it, because I'm very busy and was hoping you would. That line disturbs me, you can't be saved just because you keep the Sabbath. So what is EGW saying, that I can murder and steal, but as long as I keep the Sabbath, I'm saved. Yea, thats a good example of why I don't care for her writings.

There is someone in my church who is close to me that read "the great controversy" 3 times this year, that disturbs me because that person is spending more time in EG's writings than the Bible.
You'll have to wait a little longer, I'm thinking.


You don't get what I've said, more than once I think. I didn't have ANY church for 39 years. All I believe, I got from the Bible and the Holy Spirit. I have NO "SDA beliefs". The SDA church did not change ANY of my beliefs.
Like I said, I went to a Reformed church until I was 14, then I walked away from all churches, until I was 40. My great grand parents came from the Netherlands, my history is Calvin. I only learned this about 5 months ago.
When I was 17, some things came to me, I believe from the Holy Spirit:
I was convinced that the Sabbath is the day to worship.
I believed a God of love would never put sinners in hell for eternity.
I decided that when you die, you can't go to heaven or hell, judgment day hadn't come yet
What other church teaches these things?

I believe the apostasy in 2 Thessalonians 2:3 is not a single church, it's all churches, and has happened. I believe this church is the best out there, not perfect, but there is no perfect church. I will not subscribe to all their beliefs, but no one in my church is forcing me to.

The church I attend mentions EGW maybe once a month, if it was more, it would bother me and I would think about leaving.


That's funny, no one has ever said that when I tell them I don't believe she was a prophet, like I said, I focus on my local church, the one I attend, and I don't care for EGW.

I never said that you said that... You said the SDA church says that and I told you I've never heard that from anyone in the church...

Thanks for replying Bryan, I do not believe in a hell that burns forever either. By the same token I am not convinced of soul sleep. Those are good topics to discuss. For now I am going to start a thread on tithing. I know it will burn some ears, but it needs to be addressed.

For now getting back on the subject of the thread I would like to know if you believe the SDAs adamant claim that the Catholic church change the day Christians worship on when there is positive proof that soon after the church was established Christians started worshiping on the first day. My thoughts have been that the Catholic church only made it official or a law. SDAs boast that the Waldenses worshiped on the Israelite only Sabbath, but their renowned historian Samuel Bacchiocchi said that was far from the truth. There again the prophet was wrong, but the SDA hierarchy will not admit she was wrong in any way. Ellen was a poor historian.

 

[BukiRob]

Fair enough. I take note that you didn't try to put the thread back on track until you got the last response. Kinda tricky I would say.

Okay, to answer thee thread question "
"Did the Catholic Church changed the Sabbath to Sunday?"
In formality yes, at least they brag that they did. In actuality no, the first day, as a worship day, began in the first century. It was not made a law until Constintine.

Not true at all..... so are you prepared to say that believers don't meet on other days to worship, study and gather together?

This is no different. Many people vainly attempt to do away with Sabbath off if an obscure verse about Paul gathering together with believers as he is ready to leave them.... of course, the TOTALY ignore the setting and WHY the believers were gathered together... it had to do with PAUL leaving and not setting aside Sabbath!

The fact of the matter is there are only 8 verses that mention the 1st day of the week.... Now call me crazy but that is pretty thin ice to build a Sabbath done away with doctrine. Surely those 8 verses lay down a firm foundation upon which this FOUNDATIONAL doctrine is built right?

Sadly, the answer to this is no... out of those 8 verses, 6 of them deal with the resurrection of messiah!

So lets look at the 2 verses that are not a part of the the Resurrection account. Acts 20:7 "Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight."

What we notice right away are 2 things that tell us this is NOT about establishing a doing away with Sabbath.... the first is they came together to break bread. Sharing a meal with someone is as social a thing you can do. Secondly we are told that Paul is leaving the next day. If we put our thinking caps on, we can see that this fellowship was wanting to spend as much time with the apostle Paul before he left not knowing when or even IF he would return. The idea that this is establishing a radically, foundational precept is so preposterous that you have to be completely ignorant of scripture to even begin to accept it as a doctrinally valid piece of evidence.

The second verse is found in 1 Corinthians 16:2 "On the first day of the week let each one of you lay something aside, storing up as he may prosper that there be no collections when I come."

Often people will cite this as a definite proof concerning the move to sunday service and the abandonment of Sabbath... there is a major problem with this and it is found in the preceding verse.

16:1 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I directed the churches of Galatia, so do you also. Then the verses following 2 make it unmistakably clear that this is NOT a "sunday service offering" 16:3-4 When I arrive, whomever you may approve, I will send them with letters to carry your gift to Jerusalem; and if it is fitting for me to go also, they will go with me.

The biggest issue I have is that scripture is clear that Sabbath is a HOLY DAY. Genesis 2:2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

Isaiah prophesies, speaks about the Sabbath 58:13 “If because of the sabbath, you turn your foot
From doing your own pleasure on My holy day,And call the sabbath a delight, the holy day of the Lord honorable,
And honor it, desisting from your own ways, From seeking your own pleasure And speaking your own word,

The Lord's Day is SABBATH The day HE consecrated at the conclusion of creation!!

 

[BukiRob]

According the bible you can't drive to church on Saturday cause you cars produces fire and no fire is allowed on that day. You'll have to eat your dinner frozen and you'll need to turn off your heater. You'll need to walk to church.

You confuse the traditions of man with what scripture actually says....

 

[tulipbee]

You confuse the traditions of man with what scripture actually says....

Nope

 

[Bryan G]

Thanks for replying Bryan, I do not believe in a hell that burns forever either. By the same token I am not convinced of soul sleep. Those are good topics to discuss. For now I am going to start a thread on tithing. I know it will burn some ears, but it needs to be addressed.

For now getting back on the subject of the thread I would like to know if you believe the SDAs adamant claim that the Catholic church change the day Christians worship on when there is positive proof that soon after the church was established Christians started worshiping on the first day. My thoughts have been that the Catholic church only made it official or a law. SDAs boast that the Waldenses worshiped on the Israelite only Sabbath, but their renowned historian Samuel Bacchiocchi said that was far from the truth. There again the prophet was wrong, but the SDA hierarchy will not admit she was wrong in any way. Ellen was a poor historian.

I don't like the term "soul sleep". This is all my theory but I see a little different. I think that time does not exist once you're dead, so you're at the end, you are at the second coming. I feel time is a thing of this world. I went into the theories that at the speed of light, time stops. Then added how God is light, but I can't go into that here.

Samuel Bacchiocchi is an enemy of the protestant churches. He's a catholic jesuit, trained in Rome and came here to infiltrate the protestant churches with other jesuits, his mission was specifically the SDA church. I firmly believe, with limited evidence, that the jesuits have infiltrated all churches in America, to tear them apart and help bring in the ecumenical movement. This has nothing to do with anything the SDA's have said, this has to do with the proof I've seen, including statements made by our former president John Adams and insinuations made by John F Kennedy. I have all John Adams writings. You have to dig deep, but he actually made many statements about the jesuits. I have information and his writings here.

 

[Bryan G]

So lets look at the 2 verses that are not a part of the the Resurrection account. Acts 20:7 "Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight."

What we notice right away are 2 things that tell us this is NOT about establishing a doing away with Sabbath.... the first is they came together to break bread.

Catholics say the "break bread" meant doing the Eucharist, incredibly ignorant. As you said, breaking bread just means to eat.

 

[BukiRob]

Nope

Yes, actually you DO. Driving a car is not work. Kindling a fire is NOT the same thing as turning on an oven or starting your car. The fact that you think that shows you do not know the difference between what scripture states and what the traditions of man are.

Exodus 35:3 the hebrew says that you shall not kindle any fire in any of your dwellings on Sabbath.

When this command was given kindling a fire was not an easy task. First you had to gather wood, process the wood so that you had material to actually start a fire. Then you had to create the heat required to start a fire... all of this required WORK.

If a fire was already going and wood was in the dwelling, it was NOT breaking the Sabbath to place more wood on the fire. Also it is important to understand that at the time the commandment was given, fire was central to all work. The focus is NOT the fire but to rest from WORK

Getting into a car, starting the car and driving to synagogue is not work. Nor is flipping a light switch or turning on an oven.

 

[BukiRob]

I don't like the term "soul sleep". This is all my theory but I see a little different. I think that time does not exist once you're dead, so you're at the end, you are at the second coming. I feel time is a thing of this world. I went into the theories that at the speed of light, time stops. Then added how God is light, but I can't go into that here.

Samuel Bacchiocchi is an enemy of the protestant churches. He's a catholic jesuit, trained in Rome and came here to infiltrate the protestant churches with other jesuits, his mission was specifically the SDA church. I firmly believe, with limited evidence, that the jesuits have infiltrated all churches in America, to tear them apart and help bring in the ecumenical movement. This has nothing to do with anything the SDA's have said, this has to do with the proof I've seen, including statements made by our former president John Adams and insinuations made by John F Kennedy. I have all John Adams writings. You have to dig deep, but he actually made many statements about the jesuits. I have information and his writings here.

Time is a dimension of this universe. It is essentially a measurement of distance. We know that time is a part of space because it is affected by gravity. As mass increases the increase in gravity is proportional. Einstein's theory tell us that at the speed of light time stops and mass becomes infinite.

I preface all of that to show that TIME is a construct of this physical universe. When we die, that which makes us uniquely us ceases to be captive to this physical construct called the universe because our physical bodies are no longer alive. Conceptually, soul sleep is probably somewhat accurate. The issue I have with it, is that implies a passage of time.

You die and the moment death has finished its work, from your personal perspective you will be raised... from your perspective no time at all will have passed since you breathed your last breath.

Your question maybe what happens to all that time since Adam passed? Nothing happens. For Adam his death happened a nano second ago. Since Adam is no longer bound to the physical universe, his consciousness, will, volition and mind are no longer subject to the laws the govern the physical realm. Adams consciousness, will, volition and mind is no longer tied to time... for Adam's being (excluding his physical body which underwent decay) Time=0

 

[Meowzltov]

Yes, actually you DO. Driving a car is not work. Kindling a fire is NOT the same thing as turning on an oven or starting your car. The fact that you think that shows you do not know the difference between what scripture states and what the traditions of man are.

Exodus 35:3 the hebrew says that you shall not kindle any fire in any of your dwellings on Sabbath.

When this command was given kindling a fire was not an easy task. First you had to gather wood, process the wood so that you had material to actually start a fire. Then you had to create the heat required to start a fire... all of this required WORK.

If a fire was already going and wood was in the dwelling, it was NOT breaking the Sabbath to place more wood on the fire. Also it is important to understand that at the time the commandment was given, fire was central to all work. The focus is NOT the fire but to rest from WORK

Getting into a car, starting the car and driving to synagogue is not work. Nor is flipping a light switch or turning on an oven.

The commandment is to not kindle a flame. It does not give an exception if it is easy, like if you have a magnifying glass. Driving a car uses an electric spark -- the Orthodox Jews consider causing an electric spark kindling a flame but Conservatives disagree. Turning on a stove or oven certainly kindles a flame. Besides, cooking is work all by itself. Sorry buddy. Fortunately we can use flames that automatically come on and off, like heaters.

You can also cook up a big Sabbath feast before Sundown and eat it after Sundown, and then you have great leftovers on Saturday. The Challah makes great French Toast on Sunday. In Orthodox homes, they leave a very low flame burning, either a hot plate or a burner on the stove or in the oven, ALL SABBATH LONG to keep food warm for Saturday. You can also use a crock pot, start it on low before Sundown with extra water, and you'll have the most wonderful hot dishes on Saturday.

Personally, now that the kids are grown, it's not worth it to me to cook a Shabbat meal for one on Friday, so I just eat sandwiches, deviled eggs, chumus and pita, and other cold meals throughout Shabbat.

First you had to gather wood, process the wood so that you had material to actually start a fire.

Actually these are several separate actions, all separate from kindling a flame and all of which violate the Shabbat. You have reaping, selecting/sorting, carrying, and cutting(chopping). Again, each of these is a separate violation; they are not part of kindling a flame.

The Melachot (labors that violate the Sabbath) are based on what was done to build the tabernacle, since all work on the tabernacle ceased on the Sabbath. Some of these, such as carrying and cutting, are considered okay within the home, as they are necessary for child care and food preparation.

 

[Bob S]

I don't like the term "soul sleep". This is all my theory but I see a little different. I think that time does not exist once you're dead, so you're at the end, you are at the second coming. I feel time is a thing of this world. I went into the theories that at the speed of light, time stops. Then added how God is light, but I can't go into that here.

Samuel Bacchiocchi is an enemy of the protestant churches. He's a catholic jesuit, trained in Rome and came here to infiltrate the protestant churches with other jesuits, his mission was specifically the SDA church. I firmly believe, with limited evidence, that the jesuits have infiltrated all churches in America, to tear them apart and help bring in the ecumenical movement. This has nothing to do with anything the SDA's have said, this has to do with the proof I've seen, including statements made by our former president John Adams and insinuations made by John F Kennedy. I have all John Adams writings. You have to dig deep, but he actually made many statements about the jesuits. I have information and his writings here.

Oh for goodness sake. I know you have no proof about old Samuel being a Jesuit. That is a fine way to trash someone you don't like or has an opinion different from yours. By the way he is dead so it is "was".

 

[BobRyan]

I preface all of that to show that TIME is a construct of this physical universe. When we die, that which makes us uniquely us ceases to be captive to this physical construct called the universe because our physical bodies are no longer alive. Conceptually, soul sleep is probably somewhat accurate. The issue I have with it, is that implies a passage of time.

You die and the moment death has finished its work, from your personal perspective you will be raised... from your perspective no time at all will have passed since you breathed your last breath.

Soul sleep does not require that the one who passed through death experience any time at all. Like the computer clock signal that stops then starts - nothing in the computer can "see the gap" nothing is "awake and watching" while the computer clock signal is dead stopped. Everything in the system is driven off of that signal.The time slicing - everything.

The soul sleep concept says that the clock signal stops. Nothing is running and "watching time pass". But when the clock signal resumes - the "Current of thought picks up where it left off".

 

[BobRyan]

The commandment is to not kindle a flame. It does not give an exception if it is easy, like if you have a magnifying glass.

Not true - the fire in the temple was continuous and was continued on Sabbath - "kindling a flame" was more difficult. Winters in Palestine were cold enough for them to be using a fire at the time of Christ's trial. They had fires for cold nights. But they would not 'kindle a flame'

 

[BobRyan]

Catholics say the "break bread" meant doing the Eucharist, incredibly ignorant. As you said, breaking bread just means to eat.

But it could also mean to celebrate the Lord's table - recall that in 1Cor 11 "For as often as you do this you do celebrate the Lord's DEATH until He comes" - why is the focus on the Death of Christ during communion instead of the resurrection?

IF the whole point of breaking bread was to celebrate the resurrection and to do so on week-day-1 then "For as often as you do this you do celebrate the Lord's RESURRECTION until He comes" -- a text we find nowhere. A good indication of why we also find nowhere "week-day-1 is the LORD's day" in the Bible.

I notice that you give your opinion - but do not address the points they actually make in that regard.

 

[BobRyan]

I don't like the term "soul sleep". This is all my theory but I see a little different. I think that time does not exist once you're dead, so you're at the end, you are at the second coming. I feel time is a thing of this world. I went into the theories that at the speed of light, time stops. Then added how God is light, but I can't go into that here.

It is true that the dead do not experience the passing of time - in the teaching of "soul sleep" so the moment of death is also the moment of resurrection - of being in the presence of Christ at the resurrection - but the reason for "sleep" is to emphasize that it is the same person, a dormant person - but the same person who is raised as who died.

John 11 Christ said "our friend Lazarus sleeps" He does not say "our friend Lazarus no longer exists".

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Okay, to answer thee thread question "
"Did the Catholic Church changed the Sabbath to Sunday?"
In formality yes, at least they brag that they did. In actuality no, the first day, as a worship day, began in the first century. It was not made a law until Constintine.

I have shown that in their claim to have changed it - they offer some irrefutable evidence. The fact that there is no Bible text for doing so and the fact that those who follow the Catholic example in this regard are being inconsistent to claim they will test all doctrine and practice "sola scriptura" yet will bend/edit/break the Law of God based solely on the say-so of the Catholic church.

 

[BobRyan]

It means eternal salvation to keep the Sabbath holy unto the Lord. God says: "Them that honor Me I will honor." {6T 356.4}
...
But if we turn aside from the fourth commandment, so positively given by God, to adopt the inventions of Satan, voiced and acted by men under his control, we cannot be saved. We cannot with safety receive his traditions and subtleties as truth. {RH, July 6, 1897 par. 4}
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No one who disregards the fourth commandment, after becoming enlightened in regard to the claims of the Sabbath, can be held guiltless in the sight of God. {RH, July 6, 1897 par. 14}
...
All will be judged according to the light that has shone upon them. If they have light upon the Sabbath, they cannot be saved in rejecting that light.{HS 234.3}
..
As persons become convinced from the Scriptures that the claims of the fourth commandment are still binding, the question is often raised, Is it necessary in order to secure salvation that we keep the Sabbath? This is a question of grave importance. If the light has shone from the word of God, if the message has been presented to men, as it was to Pharaoh, and they refuse to heed that message, if they reject the light, they refuse to obey God, and cannot be saved in their disobedience. {RH, January 5, 1886 par. 2}

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We should regularly reserve something for God's cause, that He may not be robbed of the portion which He claims. When we rob God we rob ourselves also. We give up the heavenly treasure for the sake of having more of this earth. This is a loss that we cannot afford to sustain. (5T 271.3)
...
The man who has been unfortunate, and finds himself in debt, should not take the Lord's portion to cancel his debts to his fellow men. He should consider that in these transactions he is being tested, and that in reserving the Lord's portion for his own use he is robbing the Giver. He is debtor to God for all that he has, but he becomes a double debtor when he uses the Lord's reserved fund in paying debts to human beings. "Unfaithfulness to God" is written against his name in the books of heaven. He has an account to settle with God for appropriating the Lord's means for his own convenience. And the want of principle shown in his misappropriation of God's means will be revealed in his management of other matters. It will be seen in all matters connected with his own business. The man who will rob God is cultivating traits of character that will cut him off from admittance into the family of God above. (6T 391.1)

Interesting snippet examples pasted together - in some cases not even two sentences in a single snip.

I agree with her on one point, once someone is shown that the Sabbath is the day of worship, not Sunday, they are going against God by not keeping it.

Thank you for looking that up. I challenged you to prove it, because I'm very busy and was hoping you would. That line disturbs me, you can't be saved just because you keep the Sabbath. So what is EGW saying, that I can murder and steal, but as long as I keep the Sabbath, I'm saved. Yea, thats a good example of why I don't care for her writings.

In Bob S' patchwork snips -- there are some cases of not even two sentences in a single snip to get the most bent impression -- yet to his credit he also shows that "in context" they all refer to those who "have the light" on the subject from God's Word and are convinced from the Bible - that the Sabbath is binding yet turn from it.

There is no point where SDAs or Ellen White teach that "you can break any commandment you want as long as you keep the Sabbath" -- rather we affirm James' point in James 2 -- "to break one - is to break them all".
Ask anyone in your local congregation or look at the explanation we have in the 28 Fundamental beliefs book.

In your response you appear to agree with the quotes that talk about being judged according to the light that someone has (Luke 12 also talks about this) but then you are treating the short snip quotes that are also tossed in - as if they are another idea - a contrary idea from the same author trying to oppose her own "according to the light you have" when in fact they are mere snip quotes - with no context at all and hardly sufficient cause to imagine two competing doctrines on the same subject just because "shorter-snip" is the technique used to present one vs the other.

Notice from Bob S' own quote above -

All will be judged according to the light that has shone upon them. If they have light upon the Sabbath, they cannot be saved in rejecting that light.{HS 234.3}
..
As persons become convinced from the Scriptures that the claims of the fourth commandment are still binding, the question is often raised, Is it necessary in order to secure salvation that we keep the Sabbath? This is a question of grave importance. If the light has shone from the word of God, if the message has been presented to men, as it was to Pharaoh, and they refuse to heed that message, if they reject the light, they refuse to obey God, and cannot be saved in their disobedience. {RH, January 5, 1886 par. 2}

 

[tulipbee]

Yes, actually you DO. Driving a car is not work. Kindling a fire is NOT the same thing as turning on an oven or starting your car. The fact that you think that shows you do not know the difference between what scripture states and what the traditions of man are.

Exodus 35:3 the hebrew says that you shall not kindle any fire in any of your dwellings on Sabbath.

When this command was given kindling a fire was not an easy task. First you had to gather wood, process the wood so that you had material to actually start a fire. Then you had to create the heat required to start a fire... all of this required WORK.

If a fire was already going and wood was in the dwelling, it was NOT breaking the Sabbath to place more wood on the fire. Also it is important to understand that at the time the commandment was given, fire was central to all work. The focus is NOT the fire but to rest from WORK

Getting into a car, starting the car and driving to synagogue is not work. Nor is flipping a light switch or turning on an oven.

Nope

 

[Bob S]

Interesting snippet examples pasted together - in some cases not even two sentences in a single snip.



In Bob S' patchwork snips -- there are some cases of not even two sentences in a single snip to get the most bent impression -- yet to his credit he also shows that "in context" they all refer to those who "have the light" on the subject from God's Word and are convinced from the Bible - that the Sabbath is binding yet turn from it.

There is no point where SDAs or Ellen White teach that "you can break any commandment you want as long as you keep the Sabbath" -- rather we affirm James' point in James 2 -- "to break one - is to break them all".
Ask anyone in your local congregation or look at the explanation we have in the 28 Fundamental beliefs book.

In your response you appear to agree with the quotes that talk about being judged according to the light that someone has (Luke 12 also talks about this) but then you are treating the short snip quotes that are also tossed in - as if they are another idea - a contrary idea from the same author trying to oppose her own "according to the light you have" when in fact they are mere snip quotes - with no context at all and hardly sufficient cause to imagine two competing doctrines on the same subject just because "shorter-snip" is the technique used to present one vs the other.

Notice from Bob S' own quote above -

All will be judged according to the light that has shone upon them. If they have light upon the Sabbath, they cannot be saved in rejecting that light.{HS 234.3}
..
As persons become convinced from the Scriptures that the claims of the fourth commandment are still binding, the question is often raised, Is it necessary in order to secure salvation that we keep the Sabbath? This is a question of grave importance. If the light has shone from the word of God, if the message has been presented to men, as it was to Pharaoh, and they refuse to heed that message, if they reject the light, they refuse to obey God, and cannot be saved in their disobedience. {RH, January 5, 1886 par. 2}

Oh, gasp, I did what you do I quoted someone without completing the sentence. Yes, a snippet from, ellen's writings where she becomes the judge of mankind and Bob R is there cheering her writings on. Well, ellen was wrong, you are wrong and the SDA church is wrong. Christians are not under the 10. They are history, so the Sabbath which is part of the 10 transitory commands have been replaced by the Holy Spirit. Under the old covenant the 10 were the guide of the Israelites. Under the new covenant the Holy Spirit speaks to our hearts.

You all have a choice, You can serve the the laws written on stone that brings death or you can live according to the new way, the way that brings life.

6 God is the One Who made us preachers of a New Way of Worship. This New Way of Worship is not of the Law. It is of the Holy Spirit. The Law brings death, but the Holy Spirit gives life.

7 The Law of Moses was written on stone and it brought death. But God’s shining-greatness was seen when it was given. When Moses took it to the Jews, they could not look at his face because of the bright light. But that bright light in his face began to pass away. 8 The new way of life through the Holy Spirit comes with much more shining-greatness. 9 If the Law of Moses, that leads to death, came in shining-greatness, how much greater and brighter is the light that makes us right with God? 10 The Law of Moses came with shining-greatness long ago. But that light is no longer bright. The shining-greatness of the New Way of Worship that brings us life is so much brighter. 11 The shining light that came with the Law of Moses soon passed away. But the new way of life is much brighter. It will never pass away.

Why would anyone want to follow the old way that brought death when we have the promise of life serving the new way. Don't allow anyone to tell you you have to keep the Israelite Sabbath that was given only to Israel and was part of the law that brought death. If you are already in the camps that demand Sabbath observance come out you can unburden yourselves by claiming the promises. Jn 3:16, Jn5:24 and 1Jn 3 (the whole chapter) and especially: 23 This is what He said we must do: Put your trust in the name of His Son, Jesus Christ, and love each other. Christ told us to do this. 24 The person who obeys Christ lives by the help of God and God lives in him. We know He lives in us by the Holy Spirit He has given us.

 

[BobRyan]

Oh, gasp, I did what you do I quoted someone without completing the sentence. Yes, a snippet from, ellen's writings

And I show how your half-truth snippet is conflicted by your own quote of a full paragraph debunking the entire rant that was posted.

Each time you have posted these factless false accusations - I show that the material itself debunks the wild extreme speculation you have used to place it in a snippet-false light.

Notice from Bob S' own quote above -

All will be judged according to the light that has shone upon them. If they have light upon the Sabbath, they cannot be saved in rejecting that light.{HS 234.3}
..
As persons become convinced from the Scriptures that the claims of the fourth commandment are still binding, the question is often raised, Is it necessary in order to secure salvation that we keep the Sabbath? This is a question of grave importance. If the light has shone from the word of God, if the message has been presented to men, as it was to Pharaoh, and they refuse to heed that message, if they reject the light, they refuse to obey God, and cannot be saved in their disobedience. {RH, January 5, 1886 par. 2}

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Which is then "Spun" as --- "Ellen White is the judge of everyone" -
rather than - God condemning the of direct opposition to His Word - which Christ Himself references in Mark 7:6-13.