Philosophical arguments against the existence of God

[anonymous person]

That is not a judgement that a moral God would make. You are right when you say that God is allowed to be immoral.



Where have I cherry picked? How have I presented anything out of context?

There are over 31,100 verses in the old and new testaments.

How many have you provided?

 

[anonymous person]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tectonics

I know about plate tectonics. Why did you provide the link?

 

[Loudmouth]

There are over 31,100 verses in the old and new testaments.

How many have you provided?

Just one showing immoral actions is enough.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

So God was immoral, but is now more moral?

The Bible has God directly commanding people to commit genocide.

Well at least YAHWEH hasn't yet destroyed the whole world again,yet, as He did in Genesis
[except for those on the Ark]

Genesis 6:
13 Then God said to Noah, "The end of all flesh has come before Me; for the earth is filled with violence because of them;
and behold! I am about to destroy them with the earth.

Genesis 8:
11 "I establish My covenant with you; and all flesh shall never again be cut off by the water of the flood, neither shall there again be a flood to destroy the earth."
12 God said,

Tho the Scriptures do say the world will be destroyed by fire instead of water and this time it includes the "heavens" along with the earth...interesting

Malachi 4:1
"Surely the day is coming; it will burn like a furnace.
All the arrogant and every evildoer will be stubble, and the day that is coming will set them on fire," says the LORD Almighty.
"Not a root or a branch will be left to them.
2Pe 2:5
and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly;

2Peter 3:
6 through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water.
7 But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/would-you-commit-genocide-if-god-ordered-you-to.2316016/

Would you? Remember, God did order genocide in the Old Testament (if you take the OT literally, anyways), so this is not an academic point. If you had faced the Caanites, would you have killed them all, including babies, when God ordered the Israelites to do so?
Personally, I wouldn't, but I'm interested in your opinion.

 

[Eyes wide Open]

I know about plate tectonics. Why did you provide the link?

So you can educate yourself on the reasons why earthquakes exist and their cause.

 

[anonymous person]

Just one showing immoral actions is enough.

I understand your position. I respectfully disagree with your conclusions and will not elaborate as to why. I hope you are not offended by this.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

So you can educate yourself on the reasons why earthquakes exist and their cause.

A future great earthquake is also mentioned in the Christian book of Revelation:

Haggai
6 "For thus says the LORD of hosts, 'Once more in a little while, I am going to shake the heavens and the earth, the sea also and the dry land.
7 'I will shake all the nations; and they will come with the wealth of all nations.....

Ezekiel 38:19
"And in My jealously in fire of rage of Me I speak if not in that day, shall become a great earthquake on ground of Israel"?

Reve 16:18
and became lightnings and thunders and voices/sounds and became a great earthquake/seismoV <4578>,
such as not became since the men became upon the land, such a tremendous earthquake, thus great. [Haggai 2:6/Ezekiel 38:19]

http://www.eliyah.com/lexicon.html

4578. seismos a commotion, i.e. (of the air) a gale, (of the ground) an earthquake:--earthquake, tempest.

A quaking in the bible can also mean a type of great unrest/disturbance from a people

Matt 21:10
And of entering Him into Jerusalem, is moved/shaken/eseisqh <4579> (5681) all the city saying "Who is this"?



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[anonymous person]

So you can educate yourself on the reasons why earthquakes exist and their cause.

I know why earthquakes exist and what causes them.

From CARM

Sin has affected the world in that there are floods, earthquakes, storms, etc. These are the result of an imperfect world with sin running through it. When Adam fell, the world was affected by his fall. Adam represented all of the created order since he was given dominion over it by God. Therefore, when Adam rebelled, he took the world with him in his fall, and as the Scripture says, it awaits its own deliverance:

"For the creation was subjected to futility, not of its own will, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now," (Rom. 8:20-22).

 

[Loudmouth]

Well at least YAHWEH hasn't yet destroyed the whole world again,yet, as He did in Genesis

Is your argument that God could be more immoral if he felt like it? That we should thank our lucky stars that God is only immoral some of the time?

 

[Loudmouth]

I know why earthquakes exist and what causes them.

From CARM

Sin has affected the world in that there are floods, earthquakes, storms, etc. These are the result of an imperfect world with sin running through it. When Adam fell, the world was affected by his fall. Adam represented all of the created order since he was given dominion over it by God. Therefore, when Adam rebelled, he took the world with him in his fall, and as the Scripture says, it awaits its own deliverance:

"For the creation was subjected to futility, not of its own will, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now," (Rom. 8:20-22).

How exactly did sin cause the Earth's tectonic plates to start moving more than 4 billion years ago?

 

[quatona]

I know why earthquakes exist and what causes them.

From CARM

Sin has affected the world in that there are floods, earthquakes, storms, etc. These are the result of an imperfect world with sin running through it. When Adam fell, the world was affected by his fall. Adam represented all of the created order since he was given dominion over it by God. Therefore, when Adam rebelled, he took the world with him in his fall, and as the Scripture says, it awaits its own deliverance:

"For the creation was subjected to futility, not of its own will, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now," (Rom. 8:20-22).

Cool story, bro!
Unfortunately, it´s not an explanation of any sort - just a bold assertion.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

LittleLambofJesus said: ↑
Well at least YAHWEH hasn't yet destroyed the whole world again,yet, as He did in Genesis........

Is your argument that God could be more immoral if he felt like it?
That we should thank our lucky stars that God is only immoral some of the time?

Some stars are lucky, and some aren't........

Daniel 8:10
It grew until it reached the host of the heavens, and it threw some of the starry host down to the earth and trampled on them.

Revelation 12:3
Then another sign appeared in heaven and behold!
a great red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads were seven diadems.
4 And his tail swept away a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth.

.................................

 

[anonymous person]

Cool story, bro!
Unfortunately, it´s not an explanation of any sort - just a bold assertion.

Ok.

 

[anonymous person]

How exactly did sin cause the Earth's tectonic plates to start moving more than 4 billion years ago?

It didn't.

 

[Eyes wide Open]

I know why earthquakes exist and what causes them.

From CARM

Sin has affected the world in that there are floods, earthquakes, storms, etc. These are the result of an imperfect world with sin running through it. When Adam fell, the world was affected by his fall. Adam represented all of the created order since he was given dominion over it by God. Therefore, when Adam rebelled, he took the world with him in his fall, and as the Scripture says, it awaits its own deliverance:

"For the creation was subjected to futility, not of its own will, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption into the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and suffers the pains of childbirth together until now," (Rom. 8:20-22).

I understand the story of Adam and Eve well enough, which is why I don't agree with the fictional piece.

http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrS...nomenon)/RK=0/RS=xY1II3LHkg2A54hz_cXjxBI8RPM-

 

[Eyes wide Open]

A future great earthquake is also mentioned in the Christian book of Revelation:

Haggai
6 "For thus says the LORD of hosts, 'Once more in a little while, I am going to shake the heavens and the earth, the sea also and the dry land.
7 'I will shake all the nations; and they will come with the wealth of all nations.....

Ezekiel 38:19
"And in My jealously in fire of rage of Me I speak if not in that day, shall become a great earthquake on ground of Israel"?

Reve 16:18
and became lightnings and thunders and voices/sounds and became a great earthquake/seismoV <4578>,
such as not became since the men became upon the land, such a tremendous earthquake, thus great. [Haggai 2:6/Ezekiel 38:19]

http://www.eliyah.com/lexicon.html

4578. seismos a commotion, i.e. (of the air) a gale, (of the ground) an earthquake:--earthquake, tempest.

A quaking in the bible can also mean a type of great unrest/disturbance from a people

Matt 21:10
And of entering Him into Jerusalem, is moved/shaken/eseisqh <4579> (5681) all the city saying "Who is this"?



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An earthquakes cause was what I was referring to, I've detailed that.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I follow Jesus. I think His life of selfless self-sacrificing love that compelled Him to go to them that the religious elite despised is worthy of imitating because if I had been alive back then, I would have been an outcast too.

I have searched high and low. I have found no other person besides Jesus who I feel deserves my complete and total devotion.

And I think Jesus' teachings about who we are and where we are going and how we should live and marriage and how we should love one another and treat one another is superior in all aspects to all other competing philosophies.

Now to the actual question.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Value? The concept of the intrinsic value of human beings is unintelligible in a world without God.

So you keep claiming... Empty claims may persuade elsewhere, but not here.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Value? The concept of the intrinsic value of human beings is unintelligible in a world without God.

How can the value be intrinsic if it is conferred by someone else? That's the opposite of intrinsic.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I understand your position. I respectfully disagree with your conclusions and will not elaborate as to why. I hope you are not offended by this.

Don't confuse being offended with being amused.