The Father and the Son comes to us through their divine essence of the Holy Spirit.
I am not saying that the Holy Spirit is the Father of Jesus. I am simply asking why He is not, since Jesus was conceived by Him.
The person by whom we are conceived is considered to be our father, is it not?
So why is the person of the Holy Spirit not considered to be the Father of the person of Jesus, even though Jesus was conceived by Him?
This only makes sense if the Holy Spirit is the divine essence of Father and Son.
The Father is simply using His own essence (Holy Spirit) to conceive a Son, just as a human father uses his own essence (human sperm) to conceive a son.
Even though Jesus was eternally divine, He only became the Son after His incarnation. Jesus as the Son of God was both human and divine. Before His incarnation He was the eternal "Word" but He was not the divine, human Son.
From a human reference point of you, God created them man and women and told them to be fruitful and multiply, therefore a human father who falls within the cycle of created beings, that is creatures, can conceive another created being through the miracle of being fruitful and multiply. However the Christ/Living Word is not a created being or creature. Scripture tells us the following -
Philippians 2:6-8
6Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death—even death on a cross!
Can the Creator conceive the Creator from a human point of reference?
No, this would undermine his very being, because God doesn't conceive under the guidelines of being fruitful and multiply, from a human procreation point of reference. So the above is impossible.
So what does it mean to conceive when God conceives God in Mary's womb?
To bring forth, meaning to enter into. The one indivisible Spirit who is God (John 4:4), entered into his own creation as the Emmanuel, by putting on the garment of his servants. That is why in Philippians versus above, God takes the very nature of a servant, making himself in human likeness.
Whenever the one Spirit is doing this in the Old and New Testaments we see a pattern emerging, who who this person is declared as.
Daniel 3:25
He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.
Daniel even highlighted that the Living Word is the distinct person of the one infinite Spirit who is defined as the Son of man.
Daniel 7:13
"In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence.
So when the person of the Living Word is visible in the world, even before the incarnation, he is called the Son.
I want to also highlight that your statement below is in error and must be scrutinised. The reason why I went to such extreme with the above versus is to flatly reject your claim, as being nonsense, without any disrespect projected towards you beloved brother.
He only became the Son after His incarnation.
In fact the Living Word when he manifested himself in the world, as the Angel of Yahweh's presence in the Old Testament and dined with Abraham and wrestled with Jacob, was both Devine and also the Son. Th exception is in the incarnation, where he emptied himself of the Devine authority and humbled himself to the death on the cross.
Now the Devine Logos spent 33 years in human form without the Devine authority that he had and has forever more.
In fact consider this.............
How could a Devine being be conceived by anyone, if he emphatically states the following -
John 2:19
Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days."
No human being can say I am conceived by someone, yet I will raise myself up from the grave on the third day. The word conceived is therefore from a non human procreation point of view and is related to bringing forth into the world as the verse below declares.
Hebrews 1:5
5For
unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
6And again,
when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
7And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.
8But unto the Son
he saith, Thy throne, O God,
is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness
is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
When invisible God bringeth forth (conceives) visible God (Yahweh calls down fire from Yahweh), then the versus above apply not only to the incarnation, but also from the reference point of the angels who worshipped him, before humanity also came to worship him as the Jesus chicest of Nazareth.
It is undeniable that the Logos was made visible to the Angels before humanity was also invited to be the many sons (Angels) of God.
Just by the context of the verse below, we can discern that God brought forth the Son into the world even before his incarnation, as it states in sundry (past) times to the Old Testament fathers. He appeared to them as the Angel of Yahweh's presence. The apostle even hints that this is not the first time that God had spoken to us through the Son, as he had spoken to the Old Testament fathers like Moses and now for the
LAST DAYS has also spoke to us, the New Testament apostles.
1God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2Hath in these last days spoken unto us by
his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
The visible Yahweh of the invisible Yahweh is described as follows -
3Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
4Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
So in conclusion the Son who is the Devine Logos, who being the visible Yahweh of the invisible Yahweh spoke to both the Old and the New Testament saints. This means that the Son was begotten, meaning brought forth into creation from when the Angels were created, because a clear reference is made to Angels and then in latter times to the human family.
