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[Warden_of_the_Storm]

The question I answered was people that have parents from two different "races". I gave the governments definition based on the census and the distribution of government funds. If you have a different approach then tell us what it is.

Some people say that race is a myth and that we should not make any sort of a distinction between people. But governments do not share their bias and Uncle Sam has guidelines to differentiate and reward people in some categories.

Again, I'm not disputing that.
What I don't understand, is why you went on a mini-rant about academic grants for Asians and Africans in the US.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

• Are you saying that Adam is one infraspecific taxa.
• Eve is a different infraspecific taxa.
• Eve's genetic makup is inferior to Adam's?

I would never ask you to pretend anything. You do quite well in that department with no need for outside help.

You are not listening as usual - Adam contained the genetic code for ALL infraspecific taxa. Half was split into Eve. "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh." Because the genetic code was separated and when recombined they become one again - a new creation.

It is your strawman that this makes Eve inferior - when she contained half of the genetic code first given to Adam.

You ask me to pretend every time you ask me to ignore the observational evidence and accept evolution - despite the fact that Asian always remain Asian - even After mating with an African. Just as the African remains African. It's only you that needs to pretend the Asian becomes something other than Asian....

As I told you - I might contemplate your theory if you could actually make a theory that fits the observational evidence instead of asking we accept Fairie Dust and ignore all the observational evidence.

I'll ask one more time - then you will be ignored from here on out if you refuse to answer and back up your claims.... Avoidance is finished - put up or be ignored.

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/looking-for-study-materials.7917898/page-2#post-68888014

I say the Asian remained an Asian and the African remained an African - and neither evolved into the Afro-Asian. I say the Mastiff remained a Mastiff and the Husky remained a Husky and neither evolved into the Chinook. Prove me wrong and prove yourself right. Well, I am waiting????

 

[joshua 1 9]

Again, I'm not disputing that.
What I don't understand, is why you went on a mini-rant about academic grants for Asians and Africans in the US.

My son is an Asian American that is currently getting his scholarships together for college. So I guess it was on my mind. He has about $18,000 so far, but he is just getting started. I am sure there is a lot more funding available for him somewhere.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

My son is an Asian American that is currently getting his scholarships together for college. So I guess it was on my mind. He has about $18,000 so far, but he is just getting started. I am sure there is a lot more funding available for him somewhere.

Well, it wasn't relevant, in any way whatsoever, to the discussion so it wasn't something that needed to be said.

 

[USincognito]

I'm looking for study material on the theory of evolution. What are the most convincing materials (books, papers, videos, etc.) for evolution that you know of?

A great resource for a layman looking to get his or her feet wet on this subject is this website.
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evo_01

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Well, it wasn't relevant, in any way whatsoever, to the discussion so it wasn't something that needed to be said.

It was quite relevant - it hows that we distinguish between the infraspecific taxa within the human species - even if some say there are no infraspecific taxa within the species. I can happily point you to the posts where this claim has been made by evolutionists to avoid the discussion of the observational evidence if you like????

 

[joshua 1 9]

I say the Asian remained an Asian

If I got an Asian, native Alaskan and a Mexican I am pretty sure you would not be able to tell them apart.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

If I got an Asian, native Alaskan and a Mexican I am pretty sure you would not be able to tell them apart.

And the Mexican will remain a Mexican and the Eskimo an Eskimo. Sure I can tell them apart - just like I can tell a Husky from a Mastiff or a Chinook - despite the fact they are all one species. Not sure I understand where you are coming from, your point being????

Can you not tell them apart?

 

[sfs]

If I got an Asian, native Alaskan and a Mexican I am pretty sure you would not be able to tell them apart.

Mayans do not look like Japanese, much less south Indians. But if you have any doubt, give me cheek swabs, and I'll be able to tell them apart.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

sfs

is the Pindar quote in your signature signifying the belief some have without any knowledge of the actual subject? or am I reading that wrong?

 

[sfs]

sfs

is the Pindar quote in your signature signifying the belief some have without any knowledge of the actual subject? or am I reading that wrong?

More or less.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Mayans do not look like Japanese, much less south Indians. But if you have any doubt, give me cheek swabs, and I'll be able to tell them apart.

There is a lot of Spanish mixed in with the native Mexicans. Perhaps you could tell the difference between the Alaskans and the Mexicans, but they are pretty much going to have the same DNA.

One challenge is when you go to look for Hebrew DNA here in the Native Americans. The Mormons believe that there was a small clan of Hebrews that came over to American a long time ago. Other people have found evidence of Hebrew writting in the Hopewell Indian tribe.

 

[sfs]

There is a lot of Spanish mixed in with the native Mexicans. Perhaps you could tell the difference between the Alaskans and the Mexicans, but they are pretty much going to have the same DNA.

The European admixture can be handled, and yes, you can tell the difference genetically between Alaskans and Mexicans.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

There is a lot of Spanish mixed in with the native Mexicans. Perhaps you could tell the difference between the Alaskans and the Mexicans, but they are pretty much going to have the same DNA.

One challenge is when you go to look for Hebrew DNA here in the Native Americans. The Mormons believe that there was a small clan of Hebrews that came over to American a long time ago. Other people have found evidence of Hebrew writting in the Hopewell Indian tribe.

Simply the remembrance of what was lost after the Tower of Babel when the peoples were separated and the lands split asunder. There was indeed Pangaea once. But mankind chose to ignore God's command to spread over the earth.

Genesis 11:4 They said, "Come, let us build for ourselves a city, and a tower whose top will reach into heaven, and let us make for ourselves a name, otherwise we will be scattered abroad over the face of the whole earth."

Disobeying the original command.

Genesis 1:28 God blessed them; and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth....

 

[Frenzy]

Simply the remembrance of what was lost after the Tower of Babel when the peoples were separated and the lands split asunder. There was indeed Pangaea once. But mankind chose to ignore God's command to spread over the earth.

When did this happen? what did the people look like before it happened?

 

[Justatruthseeker]

When did this happen? what did the people look like before it happened?

The Bible tells you when - they were a mixture of races - they simply spoke one language because they had not yet dispersed over the land. They were undoubtedly similar but not the same as the races that exist today because intermixing of genomes has been occurring - and those separated at first mated among only the same limited genetic set. Which also disproves evolution - being at the time reproductively isolated - yet they remained the same species. Certain genetic traits were simply selected for as the peoples began mating with others who's language they could understand.

Just as Native Americans were reproductively isolated from the rest of the species - yet they never began to become a separate species.

 

[Frenzy]

The Bible tells you when - they were a mixture of races - they simply spoke one language because they had not yet dispersed over the land. They were undoubtedly similar but not the same as the races that exist today because intermixing of genomes has been occurring - and those separated at first mated among only the same limited genetic set. Which also disproves evolution - being at the time reproductively isolated - yet they remained the same species. Certain genetic traits were simply selected for as the peoples began mating with others who's language they could understand.

Just as Native Americans were reproductively isolated from the rest of the species - yet they never began to become a separate species.

I don't know what to say, I am amazed, where did you get all of this from? who is responsible?

 

[joshua 1 9]

The European admixture can be handled, and yes, you can tell the difference genetically between Alaskans and Mexicans.

Mexicans are said to be descendants of the Alaskans. Isn't it amazing that Kennewick Man is not related to any of the Native American tribes. How convenient, sense the court confiscated his remains. Excuse me if I question how honest your test results are.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

I don't know what to say, I am amazed, where did you get all of this from? who is responsible?

Of course you don't know what to say, you ignore the data. Amazed because you ignore the evidence - just like you ignore Asian mates with Asian and produces only Asian. African mates with African and produces only African. Husky mates with Husky and Produces only Husky. Mastiff Mates with Mastiff and produces only Mastiff.

Variation is seen only when two separate infraspecific taxa within a species mate and produce a new infraspecific taxa. You also don't know what to say to that either - except to ignore the observational evidence and pretend it happened differently in the past where we can't observe it.

I am amazed myself that you choose to ignore the observational evidence.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Mexicans are said to be descendants of the Alaskans. Isn't it amazing that Kennewick Man is not related to any of the Native American tribes. How convenient, sense the court confiscated his remains. Excuse me if I question how honest your test results are.

Yes a quite fascinating subject there - showing the human species was here long before Native Americans or i should say the belief when Native Americans arrived.

And may have been their ancestor, despite the claims of the scientists that first found him and violated the Native American Treaty for remains.

Because as usual they thought a slight difference in skull shape (appearance) meant they were not the same. Just as they classify everything slightly different in the fossil record as a new species. Wrongly of course, but hey - all have their own beliefs, right or wrong.

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v523/n7561/full/nature14625.html

"We find that Kennewick Man is closer to modern Native Americans than to any other population worldwide...."

"...We therefore conclude based on genetic comparisons that Kennewick Man shows continuity with Native North Americans over at least the last eight millennia."