This is frightening.

[Frenzy]

This is a timeline from 1950 to 1981 of how creationism took hold in America and why its still causing the US problems today.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=TAPblF5pHDUC&pg=PA272&lpg=PA272&dq=how+many+creationists+are+coal+miners&source=bl&ots=N8uzUkXyfN&sig=d5NzLIyqfYSwGNa4pd7iQNB51Q0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CEwQ6AEwCGoVChMIluXYt8OcyQIVxbsUCh0EHwN5#v=onepage&q=how many creationists are coal miners&f=false

 

[Sine Nomine]

The link is to a book. Most won't read to see the timeline.

What exactly is Frightening to you?

1950 marks the approximate ground zero for the "modernist-fundamentalist divide" that split the mainstream Protestant church into two camps. One camp rejecting modern scholarship and the other accepting modern scholarship. This split also has other consequences once called half-gospels. Fundamentalists tended to deemphasize or disregard the clear humanitarian/social transformation aspects of the Gospel. Modernists tended to deemphasize or disregard the clear substitutionary atonement and related aspects of the Gospel. A small group remained that sometimes referred to its goals as "whole gospel".

The evolution/creation debate was much different before then.

 

[Frenzy]

The link is to a book. Most won't read to see the timeline.

That in itself is part of the problem, creationism is like water in that it always takes the easy way out.

What exactly is Frightening to you?

Creationism caused the educational standards in the US to go through the floor and is continuing to do it in many parts today.

1950 marks the approximate ground zero for the "modernist-fundamentalist divide" that split the mainstream Protestant church into two camps. One camp rejecting modern scholarship and the other accepting modern scholarship. This split also has other consequences once called half-gospels. Fundamentalists tended to deemphasize or disregard the clear humanitarian/social transformation aspects of the Gospel. Modernists tended to deemphasize or disregard the clear substitutionary atonement and related aspects of the Gospel. A small group remained that sometimes referred to its goals as "whole gospel".

The evolution/creation debate was much different before then.

Looked at from the outside creationism has got to be un-American because it has damaged America, it is slowly dying out but it will be some time before it's down to where it stops doing damage to the education system of the US.
If people started digging holes in the freeways over night all over America would that be considered to be un-American?

Creationism has been banned from all schools in the UK.

 

[Sine Nomine]

Are you suggesting the problem is strictly an American one? That would be somewhat comforting.

Creationism isn't responsible for US education standards, the people of the U.S. are....we've allowed the opinions of parents and students to dictate what the experts should teach. We also allow a high degree of subject illiteracy among K-12 teachers.

I don't see this ending anytime soon in the U.S. even if creationism was banned from public schools. Anti-intellectualism is rampant in some substantial quarters and even where people are "educated" the trend is towards non-critical thinking. There is a war that has already started here between blind acceptance and reason. Evolution/Creationism is just easy to point out.

Are things really different in the UK?

 

[essentialsaltes]

Are you suggesting the problem is strictly an American one? That would be somewhat comforting.

Are things really different in the UK?

The US is definitely an outlier when it comes to public acceptance of evolution. One of only a handful of industrialized countries where acceptance is under 50%. You can see the UK is in the top ten.

 

[AV1611VET]

A small group remained that sometimes referred to its goals as "whole gospel".

WHOLE GOSPEL or FULL GOSPEL?

 

[AV1611VET]

That in itself is part of the problem, creationism is like water in that it always takes the easy way out.

Did you read the book?

Creationism caused the educational standards in the US to go through the floor and is continuing to do it in many parts today.

There's that Kristallnacht attitude rearing its ugly head again.

Blame it on creationists.

Creationism has been banned from all schools in the UK.

You do know the Antichrist is going to come from an European confederacy, don't you?

 

[AV1611VET]

You can see the UK is in the top ten.

Nice list there.

I can see why a superscientist would prefer to live in the European arena.

 

[bhsmte]

Are you suggesting the problem is strictly an American one? That would be somewhat comforting.

Creationism isn't responsible for US education standards, the people of the U.S. are....we've allowed the opinions of parents and students to dictate what the experts should teach. We also allow a high degree of subject illiteracy among K-12 teachers.

I don't see this ending anytime soon in the U.S. even if creationism was banned from public schools. Anti-intellectualism is rampant in some substantial quarters and even where people are "educated" the trend is towards non-critical thinking. There is a war that has already started here between blind acceptance and reason. Evolution/Creationism is just easy to point out.

Are things really different in the UK?

Basic scientific knowledge in the United States, has typically lagged behind those of other advanced nations.

 

[Sine Nomine]

WHOLE GOSPEL or FULL GOSPEL?

WHOLE Gospel--a now disused term, not to be confused with the "Full Gospel" denomination.

 

[Sine Nomine]

The US is definitely an outlier when it comes to public acceptance of evolution. One of only a handful of industrialized countries where acceptance is under 50%. You can see the UK is in the top ten.

It may be fair to say the U.S. Public is fundamentalist in this respect. We should be concerned.

 

[AV1611VET]

WHOLE Gospel--a now disused term, not to be confused with the "Full Gospel" denomination.

Okay ... thank you.

 

[Sine Nomine]

Basic scientific knowledge in the United States, has typically lagged behind those of other advanced nations.

I assume you mean public scientific knowledge. The U.S. Scientific enterprise still arguably leads the world--although that leadership may be lagging of late.

 

[Frenzy]

The U.S. Scientific enterprise still arguably leads the world--although that leadership may be lagging of late.

That's because U.S. Scientific enterprise has the money to recruit scientists from all over the world.

 

[grasping the after wind]

Creationism caused the educational standards in the US to go through the floor and is continuing to do it in many parts today.

I've heard some really ridiculous claims in my time but this one is definitely Hall of Fame material in that regard. First, creationism is not now taught in public schools as a scientific fact and evolution is. Second in pre 1950s United States, Creationism was more popularly believed than it is now and actually taught in many places as scientific fact , so if a certain number of people believing in creationism was harming education it would be reasonable to assume that the populace would be moving in the right direction rather than the wrong one and rather than being concerned and even frightened one ought to be encouraged and optimistic. Third, the belief in creationism has no effect upon whether a person can read, write or calculate or else one would not expect that those would be the major deficiencies in the US education system today while being the strengths of the education system pre 1950 when creationism was still the majority belief of the populace.

 

[grasping the after wind]

That's because U.S. Scientific enterprise has the money to recruit scientists from all over the world.

And those scientists come here for the money which is here because we are so scientifically backward?

 

[crjmurray]

I don't wanna jump the gun but.....consol?

 

[Frenzy]

And those scientists come here for the money which is here because we are so scientifically backward?

No the US is not scientifically backward because scientists from all over the world are working in the US where the money is.

Did you read any of the link about evolution and creationism I put up?

 

[ecco]

Third, the belief in creationism has no effect upon whether a person can read, write or calculate

Look through the threads where evolution is discussed. Compare the writing skills, grammar and punctuation of advocates on both sides of the issue. You will find the writing skills of some who support creationism to be lower than those of the average poster.

More important, belief in Creationism fosters denigration of science in general. There are many young people who turned against science by Creationist believing parents (especially home schooled children).

I'd be willing to bet that a significant number of Creationists are also deniers of Climate Change.

 

[AV1611VET]

Look through the threads where evolution is discussed. Compare the writing skills, grammar and punctuation of advocates on both sides of the issue. You will find the writing skills of some who support creationism to be lower than those of the average poster.

More important, belief in Creationism fosters denigration of science in general. There are many young people who turned against science by Creationist believing parents (especially home schooled children).

I'd be willing to bet that a significant number of Creationists are also deniers of Climate Change.

At least us homeschoolers have a excuse.

What excuse do you scientific methodists have for not checking you're spelling, punctuation, time stamps, quote tags, and facts?

Many times I had to have had restorted to Google and other links to support our basic doctrine.

Something a scientist should have knowed too do, before even commentting.