The Final Solution

[Loudmouth]

The decision was made because a determination was made that more people would die if they DID NOT drop the bomb. Was this decision based on good sound science or was it based on something else?

If Atom Theory says that we can build an atomic bomb and kill people with it, does that mean we should do it?

 

[DogmaHunter]

Correct, that is what THIS discussion is about. How do we use that knowledge.

Is it, really?
Because it seems to me that this entire thread was more about "see? evolution must be false because hitler did evil things".

What is the practical application.

Evolution is the backbone of any branch of biological sciences.
One could say that almost any practical application of anything biological or genetic is a practical application of evolution theory.

It is through evolution theory that we unraveld how genes and DNA works. It is through evolution theory that we understood why selective breeding yields the best results. And understanding how the underlying processes and mechanics work, only contributed to more innovation in those practices. As well as opening the door for entirely new practices and applications.

Like for example in computer sciences, we have this thing called Genetic Algoritms, which are frequently used as search heuristics or optimization modules for design problems.



None of this has anything to do with racist bigots and psychopaths who went on genocidal killing sprees.

 

[bhsmte]

The decision has been made before you get them. In general when they kill someone they do it under the pretense that they are giving them pain killer to make them a little bit more comfortable. As you know there can be a thin line there between enough to ease the pain and pushing them over the line.

To be sure this is my own personal conviction. The Bible says to choose life, so that is what I believe. They have living wills so people are given the choice to end their life if they want. I had a friend that had a stroke and he could not talk. He had a living will and his wife executed it and they cut off his water and he dehydrated and died. I did not agree with it. But I was not a part the decision to allow him to die from lack of water. We are told: " "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink."

It is your position then, that medical professionals, kill people on purpose?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

The decision was made because a determination was made that more people would die if they DID NOT drop the bomb. Was this decision based on good sound science or was it based on something else?

That was based on a decision by military officers and politicians, not scientists.
Here's a good way to remember things:

• Decisions in war are made by military officers.
• Decisions in politics are made by politicians.
• Decisions in science are made by scientists.

 

[joshua 1 9]

It is your position then, that medical professionals, kill people on purpose?

Yes, esp when the people have something they call a living will.

 

[bhsmte]

Yes, esp when the people have something they call a living will.

I have to say Joshua, you have gone to new heights in this thread.

 

[crjmurray]

Well this has gotten weird

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Well this has gotten weird

To be fair, it did start off weird.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Is it, really?
Because it seems to me that this entire thread was more about "see? evolution must be false because hitler did evil things".

I do not come here with that agenda. I am willing to argue against evolution. I am willing to argue FOR evolution. Right now there are plenty of people that want to be for evolution, so that leave me in the position of having to debate against it. Which is fine with me. I have taken graduate level debate classes because it's something I enjoy.

Evolution is the backbone of any branch of biological sciences.

Evolution is a method of teaching that is very effective. No one has come up with anything any better. The debate and the discussion is a way to get the material across to people in a way that they tend to remember it.

One could say that almost any practical application of anything biological or genetic is a practical application of evolution theory.

It is through evolution theory that we unraveld how genes and DNA works. It is through evolution theory that we understood why selective breeding yields the best results. And understanding how the underlying processes and mechanics work, only contributed to more innovation in those practices. As well as opening the door for entirely new practices and applications.

Like for example in computer sciences, we have this thing called Genetic Algoritms, which are frequently used as search heuristics or optimization modules for design problems.

None of this has anything to do with racist bigots and psychopaths who went on genocidal killing sprees.

Close but no cigar. Hitler used Darwin's theory as a part of his belief system to bring about the Holocaust. You can say he was a naught boy and he should not have done that. But that does not seem to be putting an end to ISIS ethnic purging attempts. So the beat goes on despite your protests.

As a Christian we believe that we will see 1,000 years of world peace. But first there is going to be a final battle.

 

[bhsmte]

I do not come here with that agenda. I am willing to argue against evolution. I am willing to argue FOR evolution. Right now there are plenty of people that want to be for evolution, so that leave me in the position of having to debate against it. Which is fine with me. I have taken graduate level debate classes because it's something I enjoy.

Evolution is a method of teaching that is very effective. No one has come up with anything any better. The debate and the discussion is a way to get the material across to people in a way that they tend to remember it.



Close but no cigar. Hitler used Darwin's theory as a part of his belief system to bring about the Holocaust. You can say he was a naught boy and he should not have done that. But that does not seem to be putting an end to ISIS ethnic purging attempts. So the beat goes on despite your protests.

As a Christian we believe that we will see 1,000 years of world peace. But first there is going to be a final battle.

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Lets say we have some people on these boards that are on the fence, in regards to evolution.

Do you believe, your debate tactics on this thread, would persuade them to agree with your position?

 

[joshua 1 9]

I have to say Joshua, you have gone to new heights in this thread.

This is a very very common discussion when your a part of a medical family. This is the kind of conversation you have when you sit around the dinner table. It may seem unusual to a lot of people.

 

[bhsmte]

This is a very very common discussion when your a part of a medical family. This is the kind of conversation you have when you sit around the dinner table. It may seem unusual to a lot of people.

What is a common discussion in the medical family? Be specific.

 

[Loudmouth]

I do not come here with that agenda. I am willing to argue against evolution. I am willing to argue FOR evolution. Right now there are plenty of people that want to be for evolution, so that leave me in the position of having to debate against it.

There are plenty of people who argue for Germ Theory. Are you going to argue that microorganisms don't cause infectious diseases?

Evolution is a method of teaching . . .

No, it isn't. It is a scientific theory.

Hitler used Darwin's theory as a part of his belief system to bring about the Holocaust.

Scientific theories aren't belief systems.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Lets say we have some people on these boards that are on the fence, in regards to evolution.

Do you believe, your debate tactics on this thread, would persuade them to agree with your position?

I am mostly only against the mutation theory. Most Creationists have no problem with micro evolution they only argue against macro evolution. The people here like to defend the theory so I give them the opportunity to do just that.

Actually I was thinking about a discussion about if there was some degree of humanitarianism in the Third Reich. But now I do not think it would be possible to discuss that here. Yet is that not what the medical profession is doing? Is it not a form of mercy killing. Sort of like shooting an animal to put it out of it's misery. I guess I can understand how this sort of a conversation can throw people if it is something they are not use to.

I know a girl who works in the hospital and they put her on suicide watch. She was talking about a patient that blew off the side of his face with a gun. He did quite a bit of damage to himself. I have no problem talking with her about whatever she is concerned with deal with this situation. It may make some people uncomfortable though. It reminds me of a training film I saw where a soldier in Vietnam sustained quite a bit of damage from a claymore mine. He ended up getting 160 stitches. The issue for me was that they returned him to active duty and I did not feel that was right or fair. But during WW2 people use to shoot themselves in the foot so they could go home. So they changed the policy and an injury was no longer a ticket home.

But I understand now evolutionists do not want to deal with real life issues. They want their theory to stay on the drawing table. Perhaps that is they way of playing it safe and staying out of a lot of the controversy.

 

[D2wing]

I doubt Darwin can be blamed for Hitler. However Hitler and his Friend Margeret Sanger the founder of planned Parenthood both believed in selective breeding and the extermination of inferior beings. Hitler was able to join selective breeding with antisemitism to justify mass murder. It was not only Jews, but Gypsy's and the retarded and insane and others that were killed. Planned parenthood was primarily aimed at blacks and the poor as well as the genetic ly inferior.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I am mostly only against the mutation theory. Most Creationists have no problem with micro evolution they only argue against macro evolution. The people here like to defend the theory so I give them the opportunity to do just that.

Actually I was thinking about a discussion about if there was some degree of humanitarianism in the Third Reich. But now I do not think it would be possible to discuss that here. Yet is that not what the medical profession is doing? Is it not a form of mercy killing. Sort of like shooting an animal to put it out of it's misery. I guess I can understand how this sort of a conversation can throw people if it is something they are not use to.

I know a girl who works in the hospital and they put her on suicide watch. She was talking about a patient that blew off the side of his face with a gun. He did quite a bit of damage to himself. I have no problem talking with her about whatever she is concerned with deal with this situation. It may make some people uncomfortable though. It reminds me of a training film I saw where a soldier in Vietnam sustained quite a bit of damage from a claymore mine. He ended up getting 160 stitches. The issue for me was that they returned him to active duty and I did not feel that was right or fair. But during WW2 people use to shoot themselves in the foot so they could go home. So they changed the policy and an injury was no longer a ticket home.

But I understand now evolutionists do not want to deal with real life issues. They want their theory to stay on the drawing table. Perhaps that is they way of playing it safe and staying out of a lot of the controversy.

You post SO many posts, but with SO little content.
Like what the heck does someone shooting themselves and soldiers in Vietnam not being sent home because they shot themselves have to do with the theory of evolution?

 

[Loudmouth]

I am mostly only against the mutation theory.

Mutations aren't a theory. They are observed to happen. You are saying that you are against something that we can watch happening.

Most Creationists have no problem with micro evolution they only argue against macro evolution.

They argue against macroevolution because of their religious beliefs, not because of any facts or science.

But I understand now evolutionists do not want to deal with real life issues. They want their theory to stay on the drawing table. Perhaps that is they way of playing it safe and staying out of a lot of the controversy.

Do we leave germ theory on the drawing table when we refuse to infect millions of people with Ebola?

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I doubt Darwin can be blamed for Hitler. However Hitler and his Friend Margeret Sanger the founder of planned Parenthood both believed in selective breeding and the extermination of inferior beings. Hitler was able to join selective breeding with antisemitism to justify mass murder. It was not only Jews, but Gypsy's and the retarded and insane and others that were killed. Planned parenthood was primarily aimed at blacks and the poor as well as the genetic ly inferior.

I've never understood the claim of Planned Parenthood being created to kill off the poor. Being poor cannot be gotten rid of via eugenics. It's a societal thing, not genetic.

 

[bhsmte]

I am mostly only against the mutation theory. Most Creationists have no problem with micro evolution they only argue against macro evolution. The people here like to defend the theory so I give them the opportunity to do just that.

Actually I was thinking about a discussion about if there was some degree of humanitarianism in the Third Reich. But now I do not think it would be possible to discuss that here. Yet is that not what the medical profession is doing? Is it not a form of mercy killing. Sort of like shooting an animal to put it out of it's misery. I guess I can understand how this sort of a conversation can throw people if it is something they are not use to.

I know a girl who works in the hospital and they put her on suicide watch. She was talking about a patient that blew off the side of his face with a gun. He did quite a bit of damage to himself. I have no problem talking with her about whatever she is concerned with deal with this situation. It may make some people uncomfortable though. It reminds me of a training film I saw where a soldier in Vietnam sustained quite a bit of damage from a claymore mine. He ended up getting 160 stitches. The issue for me was that they returned him to active duty and I did not feel that was right or fair. But during WW2 people use to shoot themselves in the foot so they could go home. So they changed the policy and an injury was no longer a ticket home.

But I understand now evolutionists do not want to deal with real life issues. They want their theory to stay on the drawing table. Perhaps that is they way of playing it safe and staying out of a lot of the controversy.

This does not address my question.

 

[joshua 1 9]

There are plenty of people who argue for Germ Theory. Are you going to argue that microorganisms don't cause infectious diseases?

My mom was a bacteriologist. So she did teach us a little bit about that. I did a study once on cause of death for the hunter gather pre civilization people. Most of them were murdered. A lot of times the remains were being investigated as a murder until they found out the skeleton was 20,000 years old and the cause of death was a stone age arrow head.

My point is the remains did not really decay the way it would if people were older and died from disease. In fact they talk about the remains of Buddhist monks that had so little bacteria in them so that there is no decay at all of their remains. Look at the remains of the Egyptian mummys. They somehow preserved them so that after thousands of years there is still no decay.

So I am going to argue that the purpose of bacteria is NOT to cause a disease. The purpose to to recycle the matter. To break it down so another organism can use the elements. That is why we need bacterial in our compost. To break down the elements to a form that other plants can use them. John Wesley had a discussion about what happens at the resurrection when the body is said to receive eternal life. "It is sown in decay; it is raised in immortality."

If you are referring to the virus and not bacteria then we are still trying to figure out how to deal with that issue.