Moondust

[[serious]]

because it's electrostatically charged.


http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2008/10apr_moondustinthewind/

""Moondust was a real nuisance for Apollo astronauts," adds Abbas. "It stuck to everything – spacesuits, equipment, instruments." The sharp-edged grains scratched faceplates, clogged joints, blackened surfaces and made dials all but unreadable. "The troublesome clinginess had a lot to do with moondust's electrostatic charge.""

Quit ignoring the science and you won't be so confused.

""We've had some surprising results," says Abbas "We're finding that individual dust grains do not act the same as larger amounts of moon dust put together. Existing theories based on calculations of the charge of a large amount of moondust don't apply to the moondust at the single particle level.""

Of course plasma physicists have been trying to explain that to you for the last 200+ years to no avail. So stop treating those individual charges at the single particle level like "Existing theories based on calculations of the charge of a large amount of" particles since those theories "don't apply to" particles "at the single particle level."

So stop applying those forces that apply to large clumps of matter to single particles.

As experiments show - they falsify your existing theories every time.

Moon dust? More like fairy dust, am-i-right?

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Moon dust? More like fairy dust, am-i-right?

Yes their belief that charged particles act like clumps of charged particles is indeed Fairie Dust. As they admitted.

"We're finding that individual dust grains do not act the same as larger amounts of moon dust put together. Existing theories based on calculations of the charge of a large amount of moondust don't apply to the moondust at the single particle level."

As plasma physicists have been trying to tell them for the last 200+ years. It's only taken them 200+ years to figure it out - even if told so many times. Shouldn't take more than another couple hundred for it to click in their brains they can't continue to use those existing theories for clumps of particles to deduce the energy for those individual particles, even if they already finally figured it out. 200 more years and they might get around to begin applying that knowledge instead of ignoring it and treating those single particles in plasma like those clumps of particles (planetary systems). Maybe longer judging by the responses on this site.

And despite knowing this - they will continue to base their belief of the energy in the universe based upon calculations of the charge in those large clumps - even if they understand it does not apply to 99% of the universe.

Fabricated Ad-hoc Inventions Repeatedly Invoked in Effort to Defend Untenable Scientific Theory does not even begin to cover their thought processes.

 

[AV1611VET]

I could be wrong, guys, but I think this thread is more about the depth of the moon dust, than it is about what the moon dust consists of.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

I could be wrong, guys, but I think this thread is more about the depth of the moon dust, than it is about what the moon dust consists of.

The depth of that moon dust depends on the charge involved - which they miscalculate because they use existing theory for large clumps of matter and attempt to apply it to the single particle level. Even if they admit it does not apply. So anything they try to explain about why the dust is as thick or thin for the reason's they claim - is based upon incorrect calculations of charge. It all ties together, as soon as people stop applying incorrect theory to the single particle level. What they are composed of is irrelevant (except some can carry more charge than others) - their charge is not - because single particles do not behave like large clumps do. Moon dust or otherwise.

I am just asking that science be applied to those theories of the depth of that moon dust - not based upon existing theory for clumps of matter that does not apply to those single particles of moon dust - or otherwise.

If this is asking too much that the correct physics be applied to those single particles of moon dust - or otherwise - I beg the OP's forgiveness.

 

[AV1611VET]

The depth of that moon dust depends on the charge involved - which they miscalculate ...

That's an understatement.

They used to use claims about the depth of the moondust as corroboration of deep time.

Until reality showed otherwise.

Then they went back to the drawing board and found a way to readjust how they calculated it.

Now they just sit and ridicule those who still hold to it.

When scientists change their specs, we the general public had better follow suit, and do it quickly, or weez dummees.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

That's an understatement.

They used to use claims about the depth of the moondust as corroboration of deep time.

Until reality showed otherwise.

Then they went back to the drawing board and found a way to readjust how they calculated it.

Now they just sit and ridicule those who still hold to it.

When scientists change their specs, we the general public had better follow suit, and do it quickly, or weez dummees.

But the problem is the so called claimed scientists are still applying theory for clumps of matter to that moon dust - even when they know it does not apply. So can you really blame those that accept their Fairie Dust and blindly follow them, believing they are experts???? I understand that Fairie Dust glitters brightly and is hard to give up - I too was once under it's sway.

10 years ago I too would have insisted we apply those laws of physics for large clumps to those single particles, even if we understand they do not apply. It wouldn't have mattered then - blinded as I was by that glitter. Just as it doesn't matter to them. As you will soon see by the responses sure to follow.

 

[Heissonear]

This issue did not "go away".

Stellar dust comes in all sizes, including meteor size.

And once in-lock by Moon's gravity such particulates have nowhere else to go but to the surface of Moon. And there it collects over time.

There are no geologic processes on Moon to alter or change said dust accumulation. It stays as it is. No oxidation. No mineral thermal alterations or transformations. It falls onto the Moon's surface and sits there.

Of the +600 lbs of Moon "rocks" collected by Apollo, the rocks show igneous character and composition.

Per Wikipedia:

"The maria are composed predominantly of basalt, whereas the highland regions are iron-poor and composed primarily of anorthosite, a rock composed primarily of calcium-rich plagioclase feldspar. Another significant component of the crust are the igneous Mg-suite rocks, such as the troctolites, norites, and KREEP-basalts. "

Source:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geology_of_the_Moon

 

[Justatruthseeker]

This issue did not "go away".

Stellar dust comes in all sizes, including meteor size.

And once in-lock by Moon's gravity such particulates have nowhere else to go but to the surface of Moon. And there it collects over time.

There are no geologic processes on Moon to alter or change said dust accumulation. It stays as it is. No oxidation. No mineral thermal alterations or transformations. It falls onto the Moon's surface and sits there.

Of the +600 lbs of Moon "rocks" collected by Apollo, the rocks show igneous character and composition.

Per Wikipedia:

"The maria are composed predominantly of basalt, whereas the highland regions are iron-poor and composed primarily of anorthosite, a rock composed primarily of calcium-rich plagioclase feldspar. Another significant component of the crust are the igneous Mg-suite rocks, such as the troctolites, norites, and KREEP-basalts. "

Source:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geology_of_the_Moon

There are all sorts of processes going on you fail to account for.

http://www.space.com/27377-moon-water-origin-solar-wind.html

We have proton bombardment creating water for one - the same thing that happens with that "star dust" not just moon dust.

http://www.space.com/24422-solar-wind-makes-water-star-dust.html

We have "electron beams - cathode rays" of unknown frequency and strength.

http://www.space.com/15957-moon-sun-surprising-interaction.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathode_ray

Despite the fact their theories of a neutral moon never predicted such a thing - hence their surprise - based upon treating the charge of single particles like clumps of matter. They just told you, you can't do that.

They have been telling you for years now - but you won't listen.

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2007/11dec_themis/

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/rbsp/news/electric-atmosphere.html

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/cassini/whycassini/cassini20110420.html

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/releases/2001/release_2001_240.html

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/solarsystem/features/io-volcanoes-displaced.html

http://sservi.nasa.gov/articles/hazards-of-solar-wind-on-moon/

But that's why mainstreams theoretical models are always wrong. The cosmologists never listen to the astronomers and space scientists and keep preaching Fairie Dust.

 

[HitchSlap]

That's an understatement.

They used to use claims about the depth of the moondust as corroboration of deep time.

Until reality showed otherwise.

Then they went back to the drawing board and found a way to readjust how they calculated it.

Now they just sit and ridicule those who still hold to it.

When scientists change their specs, we the general public had better follow suit, and do it quickly, or weez dummees.

Much like "we" sit back and laugh at those who still believe in a flat earth?

And so it goes.

 

[crjmurray]

Yes their belief that charged particles act like clumps of charged particles is indeed Fairie Dust. As they admitted.

"We're finding that individual dust grains do not act the same as larger amounts of moon dust put together. Existing theories based on calculations of the charge of a large amount of moondust don't apply to the moondust at the single particle level."

As plasma physicists have been trying to tell them for the last 200+ years. It's only taken them 200+ years to figure it out - even if told so many times. Shouldn't take more than another couple hundred for it to click in their brains they can't continue to use those existing theories for clumps of particles to deduce the energy for those individual particles, even if they already finally figured it out. 200 more years and they might get around to begin applying that knowledge instead of ignoring it and treating those single particles in plasma like those clumps of particles (planetary systems). Maybe longer judging by the responses on this site.

And despite knowing this - they will continue to base their belief of the energy in the universe based upon calculations of the charge in those large clumps - even if they understand it does not apply to 99% of the universe.

Fabricated Ad-hoc Inventions Repeatedly Invoked in Effort to Defend Untenable Scientific Theory does not even begin to cover their thought processes.

Oh that's funny. I didn't know fairie dust actually stood for something.

 

[TLK Valentine]

That's an understatement.

They used to use claims about the depth of the moondust as corroboration of deep time.

Until reality showed otherwise.

Then they went back to the drawing board and found a way to readjust how they calculated it.

Now they just sit and ridicule those who still hold to it.

When scientists change their specs, we the general public had better follow suit, and do it quickly, or weez dummees.

Way to reimagine history, AV -- Moon Dust was never used by NASA as an argument for deep time, so the lack of it was never a problem. The numbers creationists like to pretend to understand were actually at the high end of a range which was considered wildly vague and unreliable from the get-go.

Argue honestly, or not at all.

 

[HitchSlap]

Way to reimagine history, AV -- Moon Dust was never used by NASA as an argument for deep time, so the lack of it was never a problem. The numbers creationists like to pretend to understand were actually at the high end of a range which was considered wildly vague and unreliable from the get-go.

Argue honestly, or not at all.

Meh, it's what I've come to expect from him. I don't even bother to check his claims, I just treat all as fatuous.

 

[AV1611VET]

Way to reimagine history, AV -- Moon Dust was never used by NASA as an argument for deep time, so the lack of it was never a problem. The numbers creationists like to pretend to understand were actually at the high end of a range which was considered wildly vague and unreliable from the get-go.

Argue honestly, or not at all.

I said 'corroborate' ... not 'determine'.

 

[HitchSlap]

I said 'corroborate' ... not 'determine'.

Oh, well... that changes everything.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Oh that's funny. I didn't know fairie dust actually stood for something.

It's the bottom line in all my signatures - that's why they rile so much against it - truth hurts.

But I can't take credit - Dave Smith came up with that one.

http://www.thunderbolts.info/thunderblogs/archives/davesmith_au08/022708_neverending.htm

 

[HitchSlap]

It's the bottom line in all my signatures - that's why they rile so much against it - truth hurts.

You're talking about cdesign proponentsists here, right?

 

[Justatruthseeker]

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2006/30jan_smellofmoondust/

Ahhh - moon dust - that isn't even from the moon. Just like most of the dust on earth isn't from earth.

"Almost half is silicon dioxide glass...."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_dioxide

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2005/21nov_abbas/
""We've found two things," says Abbas. "First, ultraviolet light charges moondust 10 times more than theory predicts..."

A theory off by 10 times is time to revisit theory.

"Second, bigger grains (1 to 2 micrometers across) charge up more than smaller grains (0.5 micrometer), just the opposite of what theory predicts."

And again theory is falsified by direct experimentation.

The only thing wrong with their theory is that it is those electrical processes which are causing the fine powdery silicates - not meteorite impacts.

http://sservi.nasa.gov/articles/electric-moon-jolts-the-solar-wind/

Even hitting spacecraft around other moons.

http://sci.esa.int/cassini-huygens/54777-cassini-caught-in-hyperions-electron-beam/

It's breaking those molecules up creating water, and other hydrogen complexes...

http://www.space.com/27377-moon-water-origin-solar-wind.html

http://www.space.com/24422-solar-wind-makes-water-star-dust.html

 

[crjmurray]

It's the bottom line in all my signatures - that's why they rile so much against it - truth hurts.

But I can't take credit - Dave Smith came up with that one.

http://www.thunderbolts.info/thunderblogs/archives/davesmith_au08/022708_neverending.htm

Mobile. Can't see sigs.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Mobile. Can't see sigs.

Ahhh, didn't know that. Thanks for the info.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

You're talking about cdesign proponentsists here, right?

Supporters of mainstream Fairie Dust because they treat a universe 99% plasma like solids, liquids and gasses. Despite the fact no plasma physicist does so in any laboratory.

Creation has nothing to do with anything except the beginning which those protagonists admit they can't explain anyways. So I guess anybodies opinion is as good as another then. We are talking about the denial of science to promote 96% Fairie Dust because they ignored the science. Pretending the universe is neutral and then needing to add 96% fairie Dust to explain all the energetic activity they observe in their neutral universe.

Because they consistently ignore that clumps of particles do not behave the same way that individual particles do.

"We're finding that individual dust grains do not act the same as larger amounts of moon dust put together. Existing theories based on calculations of the charge of a large amount of moondust don't apply to the moondust at the single particle level."

And yet they continue to try to sledgehammer theory for clumps of matter to a universe composed of 99% plasma - single particles. And can't understand why I call their pseudo-science Fairie Dust. Or do understand and just refuse to admit it.