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Did God create man or did man create God?"

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There is only one God. I view the word "God" as descriptive of the office rather than the name of the office holder. It's a further discussion as to what Name He would have us use. Since I'm a Christian, I like to use Jesus.
So your God is the same God as Allah and it doesn't matter which one you believe in.
 
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It's wrong because it's wrong? This is the deep insight 'right in front of us' you have that Christians don't have?
No, it's as wrong as all the others, or don't you think all the other religions are wrong?
It's OK if you want to believe just please don't make it out to be a big deal, all the others are not big deals are they?
That's what is right in front of you that you don't wish to see, OK I get it.
 
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How many people have reported being abducted by aliens? do you believe that some of them are telling the truth?

The idea of gods came from a need for protection from the unknown and the elements we faced every day and night,
we sacrificed everything from animals to babies to please the gods, they even launched ships over the bodies of slaves to try and get the gods to protect the ship from the dangers of the sea.
Yes, I do think some may be telling the truth. The universe is teeming with life. We should not be arrogant and assume intelligent life exists only on earth.
You mentioned the idea of gods came for a need. Now, I believe that the system which creates the need, satisfies the need. There isn't anything, for example, we need that doesn't exist. I think people, for a number of reasons, need God, and therefore God exists.
I think humans have a fundamental need to personify the "forces of nature." I believe all knowing is analogous knowing, generalizing from the familiar to the unfamiliar. What we know best is ourselves. So there must be some likeness between ourselves and the rest of reality, or we really have no real idea what's going on. I also think we need to put a human face o n the universe. Being confronted with passive, inert, dead matter controlled by impersonal forces is pretty frightening and seems hopeless. At least, with the "gods<" you have an understandable personality to deal withy.
 
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There is only one God. I view the word "God" as descriptive of the office rather than the name of the office holder. It's a further discussion as to what Name He would have us use. Since I'm a Christian, I like to use Jesus.
So your God is the same God as Allah and it doesn't matter which one you believe in.
Another poster who can't read without putting ideas in that aren't there.
What ideas am I putting forward? it was you who said there was only one God not me, you said you viewed the word "God" as descriptive of the office rather than the name of the office holder, is Allah the Muslim God the same God or not?
 
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No, it's as wrong as all the others, or don't you think all the other religions are wrong?
It's OK if you want to believe just please don't make it out to be a big deal, all the others are not big deals are they?
That's what is right in front of you that you don't wish to see, OK I get it.

You're back to it's wrong because it's wrong. Not much to see there.
 
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There is no evidence that mankind was created by god/s, only bald claims.

In contrast, there is much evidence to show that man has created thousands of gods during our history.

Darwinist evolution is one of the Gods created...but it does have it's source in the god of this world.
 
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You're back to it's wrong because it's wrong. Not much to see there.
There is none so blind as those who will not see, you are not alone, billions from other religions are as blind as you, you are all in agreement about that, you don't see theirs and they don't see yours, all are non-entities to the others.
 
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There is none so blind as those who will not see, you are not alone, billions from other religions are as blind as you, you are all in agreement about that, you don't see theirs and they don't see yours, all are non-entities to the others.

Apparently you're convinced that it's wrong because it's wrong is a great argument.
 
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No doubt your denial of the existence of God makes sense to you.

Indeed it does. I wish to maximise the number of true things in my understanding and minimise the number of false.

It is true that much evidence exists for the manufacture of gods by man. It is false that evidence exists for the converse.
 
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Indeed it does. I wish to maximise the number of true things in my understanding and minimise the number of false.

It is true that much evidence exists for the manufacture of gods by man. It is false that evidence exists for the converse.

Well, as long as you recognize that it's your understanding.
 
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What ideas am I putting forward? it was you who said there was only one God not me, you said you viewed the word "God" as descriptive of the office rather than the name of the office holder, is Allah the Muslim God the same God or not?
The Muslims are getting the idea of God wrong, but there is no other God for them to point to, so it makes one kind of sense to say they are speaking of God when they say Allah . . . . and indeed, the word Allah is used even in some translations of our own Christian scriptures. Some muslims are trying very hard to make Allah their version of God without reference to the Christian idea of God and in those cases, they are wrong to do that.

So to me, the difference is in the rejection of Jesus as Son of God. The Muslims say Jesus is not God and therefore they are in error.

Do you disagree with the idea that there is only one God? You did say "it was you who said there was only one God, not me". Does that mean you think there is more than one God? I don't think so. You surely think there is only one God, just like I do, and yet . . . you find fault with me for saying that.

Quite strange.
 
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Apparently you're convinced that it's wrong because it's wrong is a great argument.
It's your mental block that's the problem, you get something in your head and you've had it, you're trapped in a circle.
never mind, may I suggest we leave it here?
 
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The Muslims are getting the idea of God wrong, but there is no other God for them to point to, so it makes one kind of sense to say they are speaking of God when they say Allah . . . . and indeed, the word Allah is used even in some translations of our own Christian scriptures. Some muslims are trying very hard to make Allah their version of God without reference to the Christian idea of God and in those cases, they are wrong to do that.
In your opinion.
So to me, the difference is in the rejection of Jesus as Son of God. The Muslims say Jesus is not God and therefore they are in error.
Again in your opinion.
Do you disagree with the idea that there is only one God?
Yes.
You did say "it was you who said there was only one God, not me". Does that mean you think there is more than one God?
There are NO Gods.
I don't think so. You surely think there is only one God, just like I do, and yet . . . you find fault with me for saying that.
I repeat, there are NO Gods.
Quite strange.
Yes it is, to believe something exists when there in nothing anywhere to show that it does is very very strange,
what else do you believe exists for which there is no evidence?
 
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