Did God create man or did man create God?"

[joshua 1 9]

In other words, according to your theology, people can be saved who don't believe in Christianity?

Close but no cigar. I do not think you have to join a Christian Church to be saved. Jesus is the one that saves us, not the church. Although I do feel the atonement is two fold. Jesus died to reconcile us with the father, HE also died to reconcile us with each other. I believe that one third of the people will be saved. From all tongues, tribes, people and nations. That means that one third of the Muslims will come to Jesus and be saved. Only for a Muslim to leave their religion can be a death sentence. That would be salvation by works. The Bible clearly says it is not our work that saves us so that no one can boast. It is all a work of God in us and through us. AT one time we use to say that God will give to us what He can get through us. So that He wants us to give to others. Jesus came to set an example for us and how we are to live. He went about teaching, preaching and healing the sick.

 

[joshua 1 9]

That's not evidence of your God that's evidence that the Great African JuJu up the mountain did it, unless you have further evidence I'm going with the Great African JuJu, the Great African JuJu was here long before your God was thought of, when he roared and threw lightening across the sky everyone was afraid and hid themselves until he had calmed down.

Now your going to promote witchcraft?

 

[DogmaHunter]

Now your going to promote witchcraft?

Witchcraft is a thing done by humans. The Great Juju up the mountain is a God.

If the Great Juju's lightning bolts are "witchcraft", then anything your God does is "witchcraft" as well.

 

[StanMann]

Witchcraft is a thing done by humans. The Great Juju up the mountain is a God.

If the Great Juju's lightning bolts are "witchcraft", then anything your God does is "witchcraft" as well.

What do you think has been done to religious people's brains that stops them seeing the ridiculousness of it all?

 

[AV1611VET]

That's not evidence of your God that's evidence that the Great African JuJu up the mountain did it, unless you have further evidence I'm going with the Great African JuJu, the Great African JuJu was here long before your God was thought of, when he roared and threw lightening across the sky everyone was afraid and hid themselves until he had calmed down.

I assume then that you will be wanting to change your faith designation from Agnostic to Jujubean?

 

[StanMann]

Now your going to promote witchcraft?

I was promoting the same idiotic ideas you were, if you have heard of one God you have heard of them all.

 

[DogmaHunter]

What do you think has been done to religious people's brains that stops them seeing the ridiculousness of it all?

This: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compartmentalization_(psychology)

 

[AV1611VET]

Now your going to promote witchcraft?

What do you think is embedded in the philosophy of evolution?

Wizard = wise one
Homo sapiens = wise ones

Do you think that's just a coincidence?

"Wizard" comes from Middle English, whereas "Homo sapiens" comes from Modern Latin.

Do you also think it's a coincidence that the scientific method is the line of demarcation between old science and modern science?

"Wizard" ... in Lithuanian ... means "magic", "sorcerer", and "to know".

Science means "knowledge," and the word that scientists prefer to use for God's miracles is "magic."

Do you really think all of this is just a coincidence?

 

[AV1611VET]

I was promoting the same idiotic ideas you were, if you have heard of one God you have heard of them all.

I thought you boys believe in "one less God than we do"?

Why are you promoting polytheism now?

You do realize that your "one less God than we do" is a reference to monotheism, don't you?

Don't you scientists harp on a non-existent triune Godhead ... even to the point where you claim 1 John 5:7 shouldn't be in the Bible?

Why then do you associate yourself with this doctrine?

 

[StanMann]

This: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compartmentalization_(psychology)

I guess when that compartmentalization breaks down they come to their senses and see how silly they have been,
I suppose there is also that element that stops them seeing because they are loath to admit they have been fooled,
it sounds like a terrible dilemma to be in, it's foolish to carry on but you know that your world will fall apart if you don't,
that's why it sends some people crazy.

 

[AV1611VET]

I guess when that compartmentalization breaks down they come to their senses and see how silly they have been,

Speaking of compartmentalization, who are the brainiacs who designed the bulkheads on the Edmung Fitzgerald?

 

[bhsmte]

Speaking of compartmentalization, who are the brainiacs who designed the bulkheads on the Edmung Fitzgerald?

Do you have evidence the bulkheads were not designed correctly on the ship?

Read up on this subject, as the experts have concluded, the ship sank because the crew did not close the hatches properly and water seeped into their cargo holds and eventually sank the ship.

Who caused the storm, that helped sink the ship?

 

[AV1611VET]

Do you have evidence the bulkheads were not designed correctly on the ship?

Ya ... it's at the bottom of Lake Gitche Gumee.

Read up on this subject, as the experts have concluded, the ship sank because the crew did not close the hatches properly and water seeped into their cargo holds and eventually sank the ship.

Comparing the Fitzgerald to the Maumee, a one inch hole in the cargo area would sink the Fitzgerald, yet the better-designed Maumee hit an iceberg, causing a hole that you could drive a truck through, yet she sailed half way around the world to a repair dock.

Who caused the storm, that helped sink the ship?

I'd like Dr Hurd to answer that, if he is willing.

 

[bhsmte]

Ya ... it's at the bottom of Lake Gitche Gumee.Comparing the Fitzgerald to the Maumee, a one inch hole in the cargo area would sink the Fitzgerald, yet the better-designed Maumee hit an iceberg, causing a hole that you could drive a truck through, yet she sailed half way around the world to a repair dock.I'd like Dr Hurd to answer that, if he is willing.

As I stated, the ship sank because the latches were not secured and their cargo holds and cargo itself (taconite absorbs water) took on water.

"The clue that gave away the cause of the sinking was the clamps that hold down the hatch covers. They are universally missing from wrecked ore carriers, as they are ripped off with the hatch covers by the weight of the cargo as the ship flips. In the case of the Edmund Fitzgerald, the clamps were not only still on the ship, but they were in perfect condition, even though the hatch covers were gone. The obvious conclusion from this finding is that the clamps were not securing the hatch covers when the ship sank but were instead left unlocked.

Ore carriers sit very low in the water when filled to capacity and, in a gale, water often washes over the main deck. With the hatch covers not secured (remember, the ship left port in clear weather and the storm blew up rather quickly), the waves breaking over the Edmund Fitzgerald saturated the cargo. As the cargo got heavier and heavier, the ship sank lower and lower. The now dangerously overloaded ship, without a bit of reserve buoyancy, was hit by a large wave (reported by a nearby vessel that was also hit by it), and the vessel was swamped. She sank like a rock. It is hard to accept that the crew did not notice the vessel becoming waterlogged and sinking, but this is a fairly common occurrence in bad weather. Without a steady waterline to go by, no one on board notices the gradual settling of the vessel"

http://www.navweaps.com/index_tech/tech-080.htm

 

[AV1611VET]

As I stated, the ship sank because the latches were not secured and their cargo holds and cargo itself (taconite absorbs water) took on water.

All the hatch covers blew off?

All it took was one to blow off.

 

[bhsmte]

All the hatch covers blew off?

All it took was one to blow off.

Read the article.

 

[AV1611VET]

Read the article.

I'll pass.

The Fitzgerald was a tragedy waiting to happen.

Was she compartmentalized or not?

If not, thank you, scientists, for another 29 graves.

 

[bhsmte]

I'll pass.

The Fitzgerald was a tragedy waiting to happen.

Was she compartmentalized or not?

If not, thank you, scientists, for another 29 graves.

Indeed, not securing the hatches in rough weather and allowing a cargo which absorbs water to be exposed to it, will indeed greatly increase the chances of a tragedy.

 

[AV1611VET]

Indeed, not securing the hatches in rough weather and allowing a cargo which absorbs water to be exposed to it, will indeed greatly increase the chances of a tragedy.

The love of money...

 

[bhsmte]

The love of money...

What does money have to do with securing the hatches on a ship?