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Did the Catholic Church changed the Sabbath to Sunday?

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Why would Jesus change what God had established? Jesus only fulfilled the law and said:
John 14:21-24

"He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?

Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me
." ~KJV

Yes Jesus is God

"what matters is keeping the Commandments of God" 1Cor 7:19
The same New Covenant in OT (Jer 31:31-33) and the NT (Heb 8:6-10) agrees "I will write My LAW on their mind and heart"
 
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Where did I say this? How did you get that from my quote?

from this

I can relate to the Christian understanding of Echad, even if I do not have their same viewpoint about expressing it. For you, focus on the part that states 'all one'. And how 'God' is the qualifier for each expression. For Christians, they see three (all) as one 'person'. Though I'm not a Christian that I would hold to the doctrine they way they do, I am a Jew who understands the oneness of God. To me the shema expresses this.

And your signature says you are Messianic -- which I think is always Christian.

Yet you then say you are not Christian though you believe this

Shimshon said:
Then I will. Jesus is God's body. God the father, God the SON, God the Spirit. All one.

Which is not how I see it - but still looks Christian
 
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Yes Jesus is God

"what matters is keeping the Commandments of God" 1Cor 7:19
The same New Covenant in OT (Jer 31:31-33) and the NT (Heb 8:6-10) agrees "I will write My LAW on their mind and heart"

But why then does Jesus say this: "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." - KJV: Matthew 24:36
 
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from this



And your signature says you are Messianic -- which I think is always Christian.

Yet you then say you are not Christian though you believe this



Which is not how I see it - but still looks Christian
I was born and raised Jewish and our Messiah found me wandering in the wilderness. The reason for the way it sounds is because I was trying to communicate to a person raised Christian how what they have been taught about the trinity does not have to be diametrically opposed to Jewish thought, and vice versa. When a person matures they can start to see the unity between those who appear to be opposed. And so to a younger student it appears as if I am speaking what is in opposition to the norm. But in fact I'm trying to convey to a person who understands things from the Trinity perspective how it actually is comparable to the shema. In fact Paul even does this. It's quite a Jewish concept. All in one, one for all. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, you know Spock, the Jewish actor in Star Trek. We are all connected. If not we die.
 
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But why then does Jesus say this: "But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only." - KJV: Matthew 24:36
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Matthew 24:36 KJB - But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.​

He [Jesus] states that only the Father, by His own voice, will make that "day and hour" known. It comes after the close of probation.

In the parallel [passage] we read:

Mark 13:32 KJB - But of that day and [that] hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
In the second passage we read, "knoweth no man, no ... neither the Son ..."

What is interesting is that word "knoweth" [eido]. We see the same use here:

1 Corinthians 2:1 KJB - And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.​

1 Corinthians 2:2 KJB - For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
In that instance, it means to 'make known'.

There are two possible conclusions. 1. Jesus, being a man, not knowing at the time of speaking, and not relying upon His own infinite mind/divinity [Philippians 2:5-8], trusts the Father [having put it in His own power, Acts 1:7; and Jesus will not usurp that power from the Father] to reveal the time with His own voice. 2. Jesus knows, by the Holy Spirit, and simply will not make the time known [neither men, nor angels] and waits for the Father to do so [having put it in His own power, Acts 1:7; and Jesus will not usurp that power from the Father].

5. Voice of God [the Father] announcing the hour; Jeremiah 25:30; Joel 2:11, 3:16; Amos 1:2; Job 40:9; Psalms 18:13, 77:18, 104:7; 1 Samuel 2:10; 2 Samuel 22:14; Matthew 24:36; Mark 13:32; John 12:29; 2 Peter 1:17-18; Revelation 14:2; &c

{Great Controversy; Page 640}

"... The voice of God is heard from heaven, declaring the day and hour of Jesus’ coming, and delivering the everlasting covenant to His people. Like peals of loudest thunder His words roll through the earth. The Israel of God stand listening, with their eyes fixed upward. Their countenances are lighted up with His glory, and shine as did the face of Moses when he came down from Sinai. The wicked cannot look upon them. And when the blessing is pronounced on those who have honored God by keeping His Sabbath holy, there is a mighty shout of victory. ..." - http://text.egwwritings.org/publication.php?pubtype=Book&bookCode=GC&lang=en&pagenumber=640
 
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SDA claim to use the Catechism to show what Catholics believe. Are they telling the truth about what Catholics believe? It's should obvious to them how Sunday is not kept as a 24hr Sabbath as describe in the law.
You can blame the Catholic Church for many things, but the Lord's Day [the first day of the week, which is commonly called Sunday (the day of the sun)] was established in Scripture, and in the apostolic churches, as the day of rest and worship. In effect it is the Christian Sabbath. Please note (Rev 1:10): I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet.

Is it not significant that John was "in the Spirit" (under the Holy Spirit's control) on "the Lord's Day". Why "the Lord's Day"? Because it was the Day of Resurrection, and the Morrow after the Sabbath (the 8th day is the day of beginning of a new week as well as the beginning of a New Creation). Check out the significance of the number 8.

So the short answer is that when the SDA's blame Constantine and the Catholic Church, they simply ignore Scripture. Apostolic churches were meeting on the first day of the week to Break Bread (the Lord's Supper).
 
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I always related it to Zechariah 14 the Day of the Lord when I read that verse.

Zechariah 14
[ The Lord Comes and Reigns ] A day ofthe Lord is coming, Jerusalem, when your possessions will be plundered and divided up within your very walls. I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured,the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city. Then the Lord will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights on a day of battle.
Sound familiar? It's exactly what John was being"revealed". The revelation of the coming of the Lord. It surely did not represent Sunday.
 
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You can blame the Catholic Church for many things, but the Lord's Day [the first day of the week, which is commonly called Sunday (the day of the sun)] was established in Scripture, and in the apostolic churches, as the day of rest and worship. In effect it is the Christian Sabbath. Please note (Rev 1:10): I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet.

Is it not significant that John was "in the Spirit" (under the Holy Spirit's control) on "the Lord's Day". Why "the Lord's Day"? Because it was the Day of Resurrection, and the Morrow after the Sabbath (the 8th day is the day of beginning of a new week as well as the beginning of a New Creation). Check out the significance of the number 8.

So the short answer is that when the SDA's blame Constantine and the Catholic Church, they simply ignore Scripture. Apostolic churches were meeting on the first day of the week to Break Bread (the Lord's Supper).
Let's look at Revelation 1:10:

The many times that the "Sabbath" of the LORD is given in the New Testament:


Matthew 12:1,2,5,8,10,11,12, 24:20, 28:1;

Mark 1:21, 2:23,24,27,28, 3:2,4, 6:2, 7:6-9, 15:42, 16:1;

Luke 4:16,31, 6:1,2,5,6,7,9, 13:10,14,15,16, 14:1,3,5, 23:54,56;

John 5:9,10,16,18, 7:22,23, 9:14,16, 19:31;

Acts 1:2, 13:14,27,42,44, 15:21, 16:13, 17:2, 18:4;

Additional references are:

Hebrews 4:9; [Greek: sabbatismos, literal sabbath-keeping]

Revelation 1:10 [kuriake hemera, "the Lord's Day" [the 7th Day Sabbath, not "the Day of the Lord", this is totally different in the Greek], see Genesis 2:1-3, Exodus 20:8-11, Deuteronomy 5:12:15, Isaiah 58:13, 66:23, Matthew 12:8, Mark 2:27,28; Luke 6:5 ], 10:6 [see also Exodus 20:11, 31:17 Nehemiah 9:6; Psalms 146:6; Acts 4:24, 14:15, Revelation 14:7]; 14:7 [see previous], etc

Additionally, further references in the Greek are [every single 'first [day] of the week' text]:

Matthew 28:1a - oye de sabbatwn
Matthew 28:1b - eiV mian sabbatwn
Mark 16:2 - kai lian prwi ths mias sabbatwn
Mark 16:9 - anastas de prwi prwth sabbatou
Luke 24:1 - th de mia twn sabbatwn
John 20:1 - th de mia twn sabbatwn
John 20:19 - th mia twn sabbatwn
Acts 20:7 - en de th mia twn sabbatwn
1 Corinthians 16:2 - kata mian sabbatwn

Additional reference is in the Sabbath before Jesus' death, wherein Jesus, the disciples and Lazarus, all were at Lazarus' house, six days before the Passover, the very next day being the Triumphal entry:

Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead. John 12:1​

The Church met many days of the week in Acts, yes even in the Gospels and elsewhere, the Christians [even as did the Jews] met daily, none of which eliminates obedience to God in His 4th Commandment, at all, as we see them [the Church, Jews & Gentiles] explicitly meeting on "the Sabbath" hundreds of times in the NT alone, even "in the grace of God".

Jesus met in the temple "daily" [and not only there, also synagogue, and in nature], even especially in his last week from Sunday to Tuesday, especially: John 11:55, 21:1; Matthew 26:55; Mark 14:49; Luke 19:47, 22:53; John 18:20; see additionally [in this order, read carefully], Matthew 21:10; Mark 11:11; John 12:12,13; Matthew 21:12,13,17; Mark 11:12,15,16,17,19; Matthew 26:2; Mark 14:1; Matthew 21:18,23; Mark 11:20,27; Matthew 23:37,38,39 [Parallel to Luke 13:31,32,33,34,35] And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, Acts 2:46

And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ. Acts 5:42​

And does any know why this "daily"? Understand this text - Psalms 77:13

Also, Jesus met with the Discples the 2nd day of the week here, since he spent a great deal of time with the two Disicples on the Road to Emmaus on the first day [see Luke 24:21, "...beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done"], it came to be evening [which begins the next day, when the sun sets at even, Mark 1:32; Leviticus 23:32; Genesis 1:5,8,13,19,23,31, etc ], and then they sat down to dinner, and as Jesus vanished before them, they ran back to Jerusalem at night and then Jesus met with them again, all together [thus no longer the 'first [day] of the week', but rather the second [day] of the week]:

But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent. And he went in to tarry with them. Luke 24:29

And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them. Luke 24:30

Andthey rose up the same hour, and returned to Jerusalem, and found the eleven gathered together, and them that were with them, Luke 24:33

And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. Luke 24:36
Jesus also stayed for 40 days after His resurrection, His first ascension and return:

To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God: Acts 1:3
Thus, since Jesus ascended for the Second time, this time from the Mount of Olives, he was there with them exactly 10 days before Pentecost [first [day] of the week], which means, we see again that Jesus was with them not merely upon the first [day] of the week.

Paul and Barnabas, and Luke, etc not only met in the synagogue [which simply means "the gathering"], but also outdoors in nature, God's Creation, just as Jesus had done, and reading/teaching the Scriptures and speaking of the Gospel as Jesus had done while He kept the 7th Day Sabbath:

And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. Luke 4:16 [What was Jesus reading about?]

And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, Luke 4:17

And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. Luke 4:20

At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat. Matthew 12:1

And they went into Capernaum; and straightway on the sabbath day he entered into the synagogue, and taught. Mark 1:21

And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields on the sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn. Mark 2:23

And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing him were astonished, saying, From whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands? Mark 6:2

And came down to Capernaum, a city of Galilee, and taught them on the sabbath days. Luke 4:31

And it came to pass on the second sabbath after the first, that he went through the corn fields; and his disciples plucked the ears of corn, and did eat, rubbing them in their hands. Luke 6:1

And it came to pass also on another sabbath, that he entered into the synagogue and taught: and there was a man whose right hand was withered. Luke 6:6

And he was teaching in one of the synagogues on the sabbath. Luke 13:10

And it came to pass, as he went into the house of one of the chief Pharisees to eat bread on the sabbath day, that they watched him. Luke 14:1

And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures, Acts 17:2

And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither. Acts 16:13
What did Paul,etc do that Jesus didn't do? Didn't Jesus preach the Gospel [Isaiah 61]? Notice the context of the last verse, it was where "prayer" was made, and they "sat down".

Jesus specifically foretold that the Christians would be keeping the Sabbath long after He had ascended, even as they continued to do, even after He died:

And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment. Luke 23:56

Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day's journey. Acts 1:12 [This was written by Luke, a Gentile, years after the fact]

But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: Matthew 24:20​

The Gentiles themselves, as it was foretold in the OT, begged Paul to preach to them also on the Sabbath:

And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath. Acts 13:42

And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God. Acts 13:44 [That was primarily from the Old Testament, aided by the Testimony of Jesus]
Further, we see that Paul preach in specific places, always on the Sabbath to the peoples, Jews and Gentiles, even in one city a year and six months, every Sabbath!

And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures, Acts 17:2

And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks. Acts 18:4​

As for "the Lord's Day" of Revelation 1:10, consider the context itself.

It is an historical statement, in historical context, and refers directly to the "word of God", and the "testimony of Jesus Christ". This refers to the Ten Commandments themselves, as may be shown for those that desire to see it.

Furthermore, the context and language of the Greek refers to other various passages in Scripture itself, none of which are speaking about "Sunday", but instead always the 7th Day the Sabbath of the LORD thy God, His Holy Day, which is the very heart and center of His Moral Law of Ten Commandments.

I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day...Revelation 1:10

egenomhn en pneumati en th kuriakh hmera... Revelation 1:10 [Greek Tr; Stephen's 1550 TR]


The Greek specifically says, "en th kuriakh hmera".

The Greek thus reads in "ownership" [ie, it [the day itself] is His, and He owns it and He is "Lord" of it], for John was "in the Spirit" "on" [that is, 'in the midst of'] "the" [definite article; specific] "Lord's" [it is His, He owns it] "day".

[see: "Remember the sabbathday, to keep it holy." Exodus 20:8; "Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:" Exodus 20:9; "But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates:" Exodus 20:10; "For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it." Exodus 20:11and also, "Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee." Deuteronomy 5:12; "Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work:" Deuteronomy 5:13; "But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou." Deuteronomy 5:14; "And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and [that] the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day." Deuteronomy 5:15]

Notice in the so-called LXX, Septuagint, see Exodus 20:8-11; Deuteronomy 5:12-15

We see from those passages in the so-called LXX and standard English [from the Hebrew], that "...the seventh day [is] the Sabbath of..." [ownership, it is His, "of"] "...the Lord thy God..."; and therefore He, being its maker, is the Lord of this Day of which He sanctified [set it apart from all other days in use for a specific and distinct purpose], hallowed [made it Holy], ceased from Creation [in the previous 6 days] and rested in it, the [definite article, specific] 7th Day.

Let's see that in Revelation 1:10:

["en"] Preposition

["th"] T-DSF - Robinson's Morphological Analysis Codes

Part of Speech: definite article
Case: Dative
Number: Singular
Gender: Feminine
["kuriakh"] A-DSF - Robinson's Morphological Analysis Codes

Part of Speech: Adjective
Case: Dative
Number: Singular
Gender: Feminine

["hmera"] N-DSF - Robinson's Morphological Analysis Codes

Part of Speech: Noun
Case: Dative
Number: Singular
Gender: Feminine

John was not referencing "the day of the Lord" [2nd Advent; beginning the Millennium [1,000 years] directly by this term, as that is the 7th Day with the LORD, being the 7th Millenium, this earth being 6,000 years old already] [see 1 Corinthians 5:5 ["en th hmera tou kuriou ihsou"]; 1 Thessalonians 5:2 ["h hmera kuriou"]; 2 Peter 3:10 ["de h hmera kuriou"], etc] in Revelation 1:10, for that reads differently throughout the scriptures and additionally the very context [of Revelation 1] excludes it.

Also John saw the past, present and future throughout [Revelation 1:19], which in Revelation 1-3, would include the 7 churches, which are not begun with the 1,000 years, but are part of the 6,000 year history, and therefore John was not in the Millennium seeing the Church ages.

John is also not referencing the "first [day] of the week", as this always in the scripture is merely a day pointing to the culmination of the week, the 7th Day the Sabbath, as the other 5 of the 6, that points unto the 7th in every single instance.

In the First Day, there is incomplete and unfinished work [more work to be done], but in the 7th, the work is complete and finished [there is rest from work].

See this in 1 Corinthians 5:5; 1 Thessalonians 5:2; 2 Peter 3:10 in the GReek.

["kuriou"] N-GSM - Robinson's Morphological Analysis Codes

Part of Speech: Noun
Case: Genitive
Number: Singular
Gender: Masculine

See also the OT Hebrew and so-called LXX [example Isaiah 13:6; etc]:

HYLYLV KY QUrVB YVM YHVH KShD MShDY YBV'a. Isaiah 13:6

Again, ["kuriou"] N-GSM, not the same as ["kuriakh"] A-DSF.

Therefore, we can easily go throughout the scriptures and make the same comparisons. "the Lord's day" that we are dealing with in Revelation 1:10, is not what the rest of scripture terms "the day of the Lord", though it does help us to understand that which is coming. What then is it? Well, we let the scriptures define it for us, and we do not have to guess. ...

...So, let us go to other scriptures which declare that Jesus is "Lord" "of" "the Sabbath Day", "the 7th Day":

For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day. Matthew 12:8

Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath. Mark 2:28

And he said unto them, That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath. Luke 6:5

If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, [from] doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him... Isaiah 58:13

But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God... Exodus 20:10

See Hebrews 4, which reveals which Day God took for Himself, the 7th Day. He rested in it.

John was an Apostle and a Prophet, and He, loving Jesus, kept His Commandments, even upon the Isle of Patmos:

Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. Revelation 1:2

[see also "For he established a testimony in Jacob, and appointed a law in Israel, which he commanded our fathers, that they should make them known to their children:" Psalms 78:5; "To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them." Isaiah 8:20; "Yet the LORD testified against Israel, and against Judah, by all the prophets, [and by] all the seers, saying, Turn ye from your evil ways, and keep my commandments [and] my statutes, according to all the law which I commanded your fathers, and which I sent to you by my servants the prophets." 2 Kings 17:13; "Nevertheless they were disobedient, and rebelled against thee, and cast thy law behind their backs, and slew thy prophets which testified against them to turn them to thee, and they wrought great provocations." Nehemiah 9:26; also known as "the law and the prophets" [Matthew 5:17, 7:12, 11:13, 22:40; Luke 16:16, 24:44; John 1:45; Acts 13:15, 24:14, 28:23; Romans 3:21, etc]]

Blessed [is] he that readeth, and they that hear the words ofthis prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time [is] at hand. Revelation 1:3

...and thus John writes to the 7 Churches which are in asia, and then makes the following statement:

I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. Revelation 1:9

...of which Revelation 1:10 immediately follows...

...and so we see that Revelation 1:10 is an historical statement, that he [John] was keeping the 7th Day the Sabbath of the LORD [Jesus] and it was upon that specific day that he received the vision. Jesus Christ in His death rested, and thus Salvation and Creation are forever linked in Him, in that Holy Day. Woe unto them that reject the Holy Commandment delivered unto them.

Those who forsook the Commandments of God, His Law, would not receive a vision, for the two are directly related ... "the law [is] no [more]; her prophets also find no vision from the LORD."Lamentations 2:9;p, see also Proverbs 29:18; Ezekiel 7:26; Zephaniah 3:4; Zechariah 7:12, etc.

In fact we see again the connection in the Book of Daniel [which the Book of Revelation of Jesus Christ is the sister book of; the two are so inter-related that they are to be read together], we see Daniel [who being faithful] directly stating, "And I prayed unto the LORD my God, and made my confession, and said, O Lord, the great and dreadful God, keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him, and to them that keep his commandments;" Daniel 9:4 [which is again directly quoting from the Ten Commandments; Exodus 20:6; John 14:15, etc] and he is the one who receives the visions.

These Biblical matters reveal what Day was John speaking about by the Holy Spirit [compare also Revelation 1 language to that of Revelation 22 language and see vs 14, "do his commandments", in conjunction with Revelation 1:10].
 
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I always related it to Zechariah 14 the Day of the Lord when I read that verse.
"The Day of the LORD" and the Lord's Day are poles apart. The Day of the LORD is a period of Divine wrath and judgments. The Lord's Day is the first day of the week, which is the day of Christian rest and worship, a day of joy and celebration of the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. Why don't you do a study on the Lord's Day?
 
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Jesus ensured that all can be saved under the one gospel - the only one that there ever was - and it is called in OT and NT - the "New Covenant".

Jer 31:31-33 and Heb 8:6-10 agree on that point.

What is more that New Covenant writes God's "Law on the mind and heart". - unchanged.

"Jesus Christ is the same yesterday today and forever"
Been there done that. "All" in this case meant "some". Total depravity rang true.
 
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Jesus ensured that all can be saved under the one gospel - the only one that there ever was - and it is called in OT and NT - the "New Covenant".

Jer 31:31-33 and Heb 8:6-10 agree on that point.

What is more that New Covenant writes God's "Law on the mind and heart". - unchanged.

"Jesus Christ is the same yesterday today and forever"

Been there done that. "All" in this case meant "some". Total depravity rang true.

Indeed - we saw it in Jer 31:31-33 and in Heb 8


Jer 31:
31 “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah
32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the Lord.
33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”



Heb 8
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—
9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”

13 In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete

All those New Covenant Christians reading this - will see just what is being quoted in Hebrews 8 and will notice whether they themselves are gentiles.
 
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"The Day of the LORD" and the Lord's Day are poles apart. The Day of the LORD is a period of Divine wrath and judgments. The Lord's Day is the first day of the week,

Can we "quote you" on that? Because we have no quote for that in the actual Bible when it comes to "week day 1" and "the Lord's Day"

Why don't you do a study on the Lord's Day in the actual Bible?

" The Sabbath ... The Holy Day of the Lord" Is 58:13
"The Son of man is LORD of the Sabbath" Mark 2:28
"I was in the Spirit on the LORD's day" Rev 1

And "the SEVENTH day IS the Sabbath of the LORD" Ex 20

Yes not ONE text saying"
"Week day 1 IS the LORD's Day"
"Remember week day 1 to keep it holy"
"The new testament Sabbath is week day 1"
"Therefore God sanctified and blessed week day 1"
"God TRANSFERRED the blessing and sanctity of the Sabbath to week day 1"

As we all know.
 
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"The Day of the LORD" and the Lord's Day are poles apart. The Day of the LORD is a period of Divine wrath and judgments. The Lord's Day is the first day of the week, which is the day of Christian rest and worship, a day of joy and celebration of the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. Why don't you do a study on the Lord's Day?

It is and always has been the seventh day, as it is written.... There is a reason why it is written this way.
 
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"The Day of the LORD" and the Lord's Day are poles apart. The Day of the LORD is a period of Divine wrath and judgments. The Lord's Day is the first day of the week, which is the day of Christian rest and worship, a day of joy and celebration of the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ.
Right on both counts. Bob's gonna fight you on this.
 
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1. Not ONE text in the Bible saying "week day 1 is the Lord's Day"
-- But we do have "the SEVENTH day is the Sabbath"
-- And we DO have "The Sabbath is the Holy Day of the Lord" Is 58:13
-- and we DO have "the Son of man is LORD of the Sabbath" Mark 2:28

2. Not ONE text in the Bible saying "remember week day 1 to keep it holy"
-- But we do have "REMEMBER the seventh day to keep it holy"
-- And we DO have "The Sabbath is the Holy Day of the Lord" Is 58:13
-- and we DO have "the Son of man is LORD of the Sabbath" Mark 2:28

3. Not ONE text in the Bible saying "There remains therefore a week-day-1 REST for the people of God"
-- but we DO have "there remains therefore a SABBATH rest for the people of God" Heb 4:9

4. Not ONE text in the Bible saying " I have edited/changed the Sabbath commandment repointing it to week day 1"
-- but we DO have " I, the Lord, do not change;" Mal 3:6
-- we DO have "he who breaks one - breaks them all" James 2
-- we DO have "Jesus Christ is the SAME yesterday and today and forever" Heb 13
-- we DO have "17 Do NOT think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished." Matt 5:17-18

5. Not ONE text saying "the traditions of the church may freely edit delete revise the Word of God" -
-- but we DO have Mark 7:6-13

Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.


6. Not ONE text in the Bible saying "from week-day-1 to week-day-1 shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship"
-- but we DO have "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23


7. Not ONE text in the Bible saying "week-day-1 was made FOR mankind"
-- but we DO have "the Sabbath was MADE for MANKIND" Mark 2:27
-- Both of which were made in the same 7 day week of Gen 1:1-2:3
 
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Simple answer. The struggle as outlined in the Bible is that 2 claim to be God.......They are complete opposites just like the first day and the seventh day are complete opposites. So if they claim to be God then they each claim a day of worship. I personally don't like when things change. So I am going to ignore the new one........ Same thing with Christmas. The 2 kids in Luke are both from the line of David and were born six months apart, meaning complete opposites. I hope that Jesus was not born during the Summer Solstice, as we would be celebrating the other kid........naw.....The dark side aint that good......Christmas colors are Red and Green.......I don't know about that Red Color..........
 
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1. Not ONE text in the Bible saying "week day 1 is the Lord's Day"
-- But we do have "the SEVENTH day is the Sabbath"
-- And we DO have "The Sabbath is the Holy Day of the Lord" Is 58:13
-- and we DO have "the Son of man is LORD of the Sabbath" Mark 2:28

2. Not ONE text in the Bible saying "remember week day 1 to keep it holy"
-- But we do have "REMEMBER the seventh day to keep it holy"
-- And we DO have "The Sabbath is the Holy Day of the Lord" Is 58:13
-- and we DO have "the Son of man is LORD of the Sabbath" Mark 2:28

3. Not ONE text in the Bible saying "There remains therefore a week-day-1 REST for the people of God"
-- but we DO have "there remains therefore a SABBATH rest for the people of God" Heb 4:9

4. Not ONE text in the Bible saying " I have edited/changed the Sabbath commandment repointing it to week day 1"
-- but we DO have " I, the Lord, do not change;" Mal 3:6
-- we DO have "he who breaks one - breaks them all" James 2
-- we DO have "Jesus Christ is the SAME yesterday and today and forever" Heb 13
-- we DO have "17 Do NOT think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished." Matt 5:17-18

5. Not ONE text saying "the traditions of the church may freely edit delete revise the Word of God" -
-- but we DO have Mark 7:6-13

Mark 7

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the Commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the Word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.


6. Not ONE text in the Bible saying "from week-day-1 to week-day-1 shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship"
-- but we DO have "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to worship" Is 66:23


7. Not ONE text in the Bible saying "week-day-1 was made FOR mankind"
-- but we DO have "the Sabbath was MADE for MANKIND" Mark 2:27
-- Both of which were made in the same 7 day week of Gen 1:1-2:3
You mentioned the Son of Man, I was told he is also the Son of God.........The title is interchangeable. So He is the only-begotten Son of Man.....Maybe a Roman Scribe change the God to Man word a few times..........Naw......No one is that smart..........after all it's all the same.......I hope......I keep thinking about the 2 kids in Luke, one I do know was called the Son of God......Can't remember the other kids nick name.........I wonder who his Father is. Oh right the old guy who couldn't have kids and then had his mouth shut for 9 months.........Silence is always golden..
 
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