Transsexuals and Religion

[Cute Tink]

They are not homosexual exorcism results. They are two examples of homosexual exorcism and NO ONE in their right mind would base any finding on TWO exorcisms, one of which is a Wikipedia effort where anyone can submit anything without evidence.

Just like you did on here, but expect to be taken more seriously? Are they not "Verifiable; to prove the truth of, as by evidence or testimony."?

I have noticed over the years that homosexuals have a tendency to base their claims on one or two examples and then say "there you are. That proves what I said" which it doesn't. All it does is prove you don't have any credible evidence.

Indeed. Irony is alive and well.

 

[Cute Tink]

Because that's a simple mutation or whatever you would call it while "transgender" would have to be a massive complex mutation or whatever. Which I hardly ever see happening other then a few disorder which still dont change the body to that huge degree. Sorry if I worded this a bit wrong, But i'm sure you get my point.

EDIT: By the way these simple mutations are most likely caused by various problems here on earth, Drinking, Nuclear radiation, Sin, pollution genetic engineering, chemical attacks and various other things. Just look at agent orange that a decent example that could cause the mutations which still do not change the body completely.

You might want to research the concept of "intersex". "Transgender" is essentially the same thing, though impacting the brain instead of the physical appearance.

 

[katerinah1947]

We are all born into Sin. None were perfect
except for for the first and second Adam.

Hi,

But also remember that God says not everyone with a condition is that way becsause of sin. He said, that sometimes it is to show others, something that is true about God. In Jesus case,,, I think the man was cured of blindness or lameness to show God's power, or something like that.

Even Job had the information incorrect, but only after awhile. He was totally correct at first, if I recall, then he maintained his position even before God, but most people think he recanted based upon not having the facts possibly.

No. After he saw God he was then able to write Job. In Job it is said what was going on between God and Satan, where God really put him down verbally. Twice.

So, also in Job's case it was not sin per se of Job, that caused his pain, suffereing and loss, it was the sins of someone else that God was making a point of.

If you meant your words that way fine. But, remember being transgendered may be nothing more than God telling the non transgendered world something about God, or what He likes and approves of, in this world.

Did not Job tell us that? It told us God limits the actions of Satan, and Satan lives within those limits set by God, else he would have killed Job and Job's wife. It also shows us who is boss in the whole Christian scheme of things between God, and the devil. It is still God.

Are there not other things there also, such as two of Job's friends spoke incorrectly about God. The third person there did not.

It told us that God thinks friends to Job are important, even if they are totally incorrect about Job and about God. He showed that, by allowing them to give sacrifices to Job to offer up to God, for what they had done wrong.

You are right about the world is under sin, but it does not mean that every malady is because of an individuals personal sin, as you may have meant, without saying it.

In Job's case, when he had all the facts and then knew what it was God was doing in heaven with him as proof that God knows more than Satan, it was then that he recanted. It was after he had all the facts.


LOVE,

 

[katerinah1947]

Hi,

Since I did a delayed edit on the above post. This is the delayed edit:

In Job's case, when he had all the facts and then knew what it was God was doing in heaven with him as proof that God knows more than Satan, it was then that he recanted. It was after he had all the facts.


LOVE,

 

[As I was saying]

Just like you did on here, but expect to be taken more seriously? Are they not "Verifiable; to prove the truth of, as by evidence or testimony."?

Indeed. Irony is alive and well.

Your ideology is blinding you to a few facts. What I gave was eye witness testimony. You are asking for verifiable truth by....testimony which as you will see, I HAVE DONE but which you don't accept.

So yes irony is alive and well, especially as God bashers seem to ignore evidence and testimony when they claim God does not exist.

 

[As I was saying]

I called nobody a liar. I also didn't claim the world revolved around me. However, I do expect that, especially upon request, people provide a reference that can be verified if they expect their words to be given authority.

Cute Tink, you just don't get it do you. Your words "I have yet" show that the world revolves around you. And your responses make it clear you are calling us a liar if we don't write what you want to read.

As for words having authority, is another example of the world revolving around you. 90% of the time if I want to know something I go out there and find it. I don't sit in my armchair and demand that someone else provides all the evidence for me. Talk about being lazy.

I have three degrees from university and when I wrote my essays, I didn't say to the lecturer "give me all the links I need to write this essay." That was part of the learning exercise and the fun.

Apart from the fact that I have found that if I asked an atheist for evidence they don't give me evidence. They give me biased ideology, which is not evidence, so it is a waste of time asking them.

And as this is a christian forum, I feel no compunction to give atheists the benefit of all my research, doing the hard work for them. if you want evidence, go and look for it. You won't find it because you look in all the wrong places. You only see what you want to see so you look up those places that will tell you what you want to hear.

My words have authority with those who know the truth which I know you can't handle.

 

[Jutta2]

As a former member of the LDS Church, I am very careful when I hear the word "witness". For Mormons, the "witness" used to sell one's own opinion as absolute truth. Or to put LDS critics under pressure.
Was years ago in a fast and testimony meeting once a man on, and claiming that God had cured him of his homosexuality, and he wanted to leave testimony. Years later I learned of his ex-wife that the bishop has pressured him, and told him that he would never see his children, when he would not be heterosexual again. This man went to a Christian therapist who underwent aversion therapy, and still had a homosexual relationship. Due to pressure from the church, he committed suicide.
Transsexuals and homosexuals are "born that way". Nobody is to blame. Neither the absent father, nor the overprotective mother, and not the homosexual or transsexual child. And certainly not God! It is like it is! We just need to learn to be more like God in this relationship, and it left him to judge. It is not our job.

 

[Jutta2]

My words have authority with those who know the truth which I know you can't handle.

Are you sure? Wisdom of the world, or biblical knowledge is important, without question. But even more important than it is compassion, not to judge, to have an open mind, and above all, to accept everyone as it is, and does not require that someone should be as you want it.

 

[Cute Tink]

Your ideology is blinding you to a few facts. What I gave was eye witness testimony. You are asking for verifiable truth by....testimony which as you will see, I HAVE DONE but which you don't accept.

So yes irony is alive and well, especially as God bashers seem to ignore evidence and testimony when they claim God does not exist.

Where did I say anything about the existence of God? I think if ideology is blinding, it's not my posts that it is surfacing in.

 

[Cute Tink]

Cute Tink, you just don't get it do you. Your words "I have yet" show that the world revolves around you. And your responses make it clear you are calling us a liar if we don't write what you want to read.

No.

As for words having authority, is another example of the world revolving around you. 90% of the time if I want to know something I go out there and find it. I don't sit in my armchair and demand that someone else provides all the evidence for me. Talk about being lazy.

I have three degrees from university and when I wrote my essays, I didn't say to the lecturer "give me all the links I need to write this essay." That was part of the learning exercise and the fun.

I'm willing to be that college requires you to back up your arguments with some substantiation. That's all I'm asking. I have not asked you to back up any of my points. Anyone with three degrees would be thoroughly familiar with that.

Apart from the fact that I have found that if I asked an atheist for evidence they don't give me evidence. They give me biased ideology, which is not evidence, so it is a waste of time asking them.

Where have you asked me for evidence of anything I have said?

And as this is a christian forum, I feel no compunction to give atheists the benefit of all my research, doing the hard work for them. if you want evidence, go and look for it. You won't find it because you look in all the wrong places. You only see what you want to see so you look up those places that will tell you what you want to hear.

You are not addressing anything I have said and now making this personal. I suggest you modify future posts if you want to remain within the rules of this forum.

My words have authority with those who know the truth which I know you can't handle.

Good luck with that.

 

[As I was saying]

No.

I'm willing to be that college requires you to back up your arguments with some substantiation. That's all I'm asking. I have not asked you to back up any of my points. Anyone with three degrees would be thoroughly familiar with that.

Where have you asked me for evidence of anything I have said?

You are not addressing anything I have said and now making this personal. I suggest you modify future posts if you want to remain within the rules of this forum.

Good luck with that.

One. yes.

Two. There is no requirement here to backup my comments. I am having a conversation, not a lecture. I have just sneezed. Do you want me to back that up with evidence? And I didn't say I have asked you to backup your evidence. As I said, I don't ask for evidence because most of the time I don't get it. I get ideological red herrings.

Three. Read my lips. I don't ask atheists for evidence because they have none. What they call evidence is ideological red herrings.

Four. For those who can't handle the truth, it is always personal. That is their problem not mine and is indicative of the fact that they can't handle the truth.

 

[As I was saying]

Where did I say anything about the existence of God? I think if ideology is blinding, it's not my posts that it is surfacing in.

Thank you for confirming what I said is true evidenced by the fact that most of what I said has not been addressed. You atheists do this all the time when you do not have a rational answer. I can read you like a book, like a lot of other atheists.

 

[As I was saying]

Are you sure? Wisdom of the world, or biblical knowledge is important, without question. But even more important than it is compassion, not to judge, to have an open mind, and above all, to accept everyone as it is, and does not require that someone should be as you want it.

Yes, quite sure. That is why I have been employed by Christian organisations to represent them to Parliament and to write submissions relating to matters of importance and write papers on various topics.

 

[As I was saying]

Transsexuals and homosexuals are "born that way". Nobody is to blame. Neither the absent father, nor the overprotective mother, and not the homosexual or transsexual child. And certainly not God! It is like it is! We just need to learn to be more like God in this relationship, and it left him to judge. It is not our job.

And your evidence that people are born homosexual is.............

P.S. I don't expect an answer from you because there is none. Only ideological red herrings.

 

[katerinah1947]

And your evidence that people are born homosexual is.............

P.S. I don't expect an answer from you because there is none. Only ideological red herrings.

Hi,

This conversation is about the transgendered, not homosexuals. I think there is plenty of evidence that people are born transgendered. Even though I have not studied that, others here have, even I have heard of a lot of evidence that transgender is a birth condition.

A thought process is out there, that being transgendered is merely nothing more than what is normally called intersexed, but it is a variation of it.

The science is far enough along on the transgender issue, yes with data, that in May of 2014 the American Government changed their Medicare rules to include surgery for the transgendered. Previously that had been denied for lack of information.

LOVE,

 

[As I was saying]

Hi,This conversation is about the transgendered, not homosexuals. LOVE,

Jutta said "Transexuals AND HOMOSEXUALS are born that way."

 

[katerinah1947]

Thank you for confirming what I said is true evidenced by the fact that most of what I said has not been addressed. You atheists do this all the time when you do not have a rational answer. I can read you like a book, like a lot of other atheists.

Hi,

I have not seen any differences in Atheists with morals and ethics. Nor have I seen any differences in thier rationality or the lack of rationality. If you have fine.

Years ago, I did a study to find the answer to a single question. It took me about 10 years or more to get enough data, in order to end the study.

The study was to find out if there was any non-prepped person who could say that there is no possibility that a god exists out there, that is responsible for all of this.

In ten or more years the study was done. I met some amazing Atheists. In general most of the Atheists, not all of them, are better Christians than Christians are. That surprised me.

In morality, ethics and manners, they are better. I expect that not to be true in the long run, but for you to say that you can read Cute Tink like a book, is interesting and possibly true, but she is fair, honest, kind, quite rational, and quite the expert compared to me on being Transgendered.

I wonder how you see her as faulty.

I am watching you posts, and you just seem to be hurt and upset all the time. I wonder if that is true. Plus, Jesus told us that Christians that we are to listen to about God, do not insult others, or launch accusations. He instead tells us not to listen to those who do that, and you write to parliment for Christian organizations, and you actually sound abrasive here.

Abrasivity is mentioned as briars for men who are figs, in the Bible. For women that characteristic is thorns, and there women are called grapes. That passage is Matthew 7:16, with the figs in briars, or the grapes in thorns.

The meaning is, mean people are for themselves and do not represent God, they just say they do. They are Matthew 7:15 people.

I hope I have you wrong.

Before I go, all people who are just and righteous, where those two words mean the same thing, work for God. Notice, none of that says that they must be in a religion. Yet, there are three groups in this world where being just and right when talking to others means nothing. It means nothing because they do the opposite.

And all three of those groups hi-jacked the original religion. Two of those groups are started in America. One of those was started over seas. All three of those groups act meanly to others.

LOVE,

 

[katerinah1947]

Jutta said "Transexuals AND HOMOSEXUALS are born that way."

Hi,

And you replied about homosexuals only.

LOVE,

 

[As I was saying]

Hi,

And you replied about homosexuals only.

LOVE,

And.................you said it is not about homosexuals which is patently wrong.

 

[As I was saying]

Hi,

I have not seen any differences in Atheists with morals and ethics. Nor have I seen any differences in thier rationality or the lack of rationality. If you have fine.

Years ago, I did a study to find the answer to a single question. It took me about 10 years or more to get enough data, in order to end the study.

The study was to find out if there was any non-prepped person who could say that there is no possibility that a god exists out there, that is responsible for all of this.

In ten or more years the study was done. I met some amazing Atheists. In general most of the Atheists, not all of them, are better Christians than Christians are. That surprised me.

In morality, ethics and manners, they are better. I expect that not to be true in the long run, but for you to say that you can read Cute Tink like a book, is interesting and possibly true, but she is fair, honest, kind, quite rational, and quite the expert compared to me on being Transgendered.

I wonder how you see her as faulty.

I am watching you posts, and you just seem to be hurt and upset all the time. I wonder if that is true. Plus, Jesus told us that Christians that we are to listen to about God, do not insult others, or launch accusations. He instead tells us not to listen to those who do that, and you write to parliment for Christian organizations, and you actually sound abrasive here.

Abrasivity is mentioned as briars for men who are figs, in the Bible. For women that characteristic is thorns, and there women are called grapes. That passage is Matthew 7:16, with the figs in briars, or the grapes in thorns.

The meaning is, mean people are for themselves and do not represent God, they just say they do. They are Matthew 7:15 people.

I hope I have you wrong.

Before I go, all people who are just and righteous, where those two words mean the same thing, work for God. Notice, none of that says that they must be in a religion. Yet, there are three groups in this world where being just and right when talking to others means nothing. It means nothing because they do the opposite.

And all three of those groups hi-jacked the original religion. Two of those groups are started in America. One of those was started over seas. All three of those groups act meanly to others.

LOVE,

Thankyou for your opinion, which is all it is.