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Do you enjoy the air and water and body and world God gave you? Neither the good or bad or horribly bad parts of science that works in this present world has anything to do with the creation debate. Look at my sig pic, and notice that part where things change...lifespans lose some 9 centuries in length, etc etc. Do not think for a moment that you will associate yourself with real science to any degree more than believers, and that real science deals with how the earth was. Get a grip.
The timeline is incredibly accurate Please demonstrate it to be an inaccurate timeline.
Not at all. More like this...if it applies to the creation debate and far past, put it on the table and let's see. Come to the light. Science for the present day is not relevant to the far past unless you first prove that the state pr laws and nature of that time were the same as now. You can't. You lose. Really.
Science aims to produce testable models and theories to explain and predict how the world we observe behaves. To that extent, it produces verifiable Kantian synthetic truths.
Science bases the past models on a same state in the past that is a defacto claim.
Great start the demo and stop the quacking.
Decay is a feature of this state. Will that kindergarten truth ever get through your skull?
That demonstrates that you have faith in a same state past, it doesn't even address proving one.
You provided evidence you believe in a phantom state in the past that was a same state past. Prove it. Basing models on assuming one existed is not proving it.
You have NO way to make it untrue! It fits the bible. You have squat too say about it.
I am claiming you cannot prove they were the same yet claim it was. Your burden must be borne.
So test the same state past? Science aims to blaspheme Christ and creation by Him, and to ignore everything outside it's little religious box.
Name one of these?
If you could limit truth to the physical and the physical only in this present state on earth...you might have a point. You can't. Don't blame the majority of all men who ever lived for the abysmal inability of physical only present state so called science to be unwilling and unable to deal in anything beyond the little mental prison they constructed for themselves.
Science is a methodology and a collection of structured knowledge, it cares not a jot for religious fancy. There may be many blaspheming scientists, but there are also many devoutly religious scientists.
Newton's Law of Gravitation is an example of a Kantian synthetic truth: "Objects attract each other with a force that is directly proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them."
If you want to subscribe to a woolly abstraction to do with the non-physical, unobservable, and untestable, that's entirely your business, but it's still outside the scope of science.
I'm blaming no-one. If you have a means by which science can deal in the non-physical, unobservable, and untestable, by all means share it and help make the world a better place.
As the old saw goes, "Keep an open mind – but not so open that your brain falls out". Having said that, I see only one party here rejecting tested physical evidence in favour of stories, myths, and legends.
No. Actually you spammed a few links citing present state decay. You were firing in another direction than the target, and didn't even hit it.
It shows you cannot prove a same state past that is required for your physics that you claim existed and did stuff. Period.
Try to be brave about the truth of what science bases things on. Since they cannot begin to prove it, the evidence of the Scripture record reigns supreme. For folks who hate jesus so much they refuse to consider that, they have nothing at all. No science proving the state of the past they fanatically claim...and no historical record that can help them.
Not at all that is your claim. Jesus and the Prophets and history confirm Scripture in thousands of ways.
Free will allows that, but you will not have any science to use for an excuse for your decision.
The everlasting proven word of the Almighty is not in a Popsicle box either, and it is not science, because science is like a foolish little dark box in comparison. It would be insulting to call the bible science. Yet the bible covers a lot more than science could, and all the things science thinks it does, but has wrong also!
The claim is that science claims an age and uses certain basis for that claim and that basis you cannot prove. In that vacuum, intelligent honest people who do not deny the spiritual and history and God for no apparent reason can fall back on the record of God about creation.
I dismiss your dismissal. Top that!
Dream on. Show us knowledge of what state of the past existed? You assume a certain state then fabricate models based on that alone. Then you move heaven and earth to try to make it look like it fits. The only place it fits is in your mind and the imaginary past, so no one can go and check. Yet that past conflicts with history, and God's word. You don't care if you have to shove around the model and toss around millions of imaginary years to try to make things fit. THAT is science.
All of them that pretend to deal in the past are devoutly religious. The religion of unbelief in Christ and creation. Those that claim to know Jesus ought to know better.
Now if you had data on an apple falling on Adam's head, we could talk about the similarity of gravity then and in newton's day.
You can call the observed experienced collective knowledge of the spiritual for all time and history of man woolly if you like. What was observed since the garden was the promise of the Lamb to come, whose wool is white as snow.
They might start by realizing God is love and stop making germ weapons and nukes, and chemical weapons, and drones and etc etc. The fact that the face of science is covered in evil pimples of death and destruction shows the inspiration source for it. --Not TO science, because they are blind to the obvious and the spiritual and to truth. They have no eyes to see. No ears to hear.
That party is science who rejected the creator and the evidences God gave to man, and the physical death life and Resurrection of the creator.
Pretty cool huh?
Don't pretend that your links contained proof for a same state past. I have read that slop chapter and verse. Post your relevant bit from a link, and only post a link for support so we can see context etc for what you posted.
The present is said to be the key to the past, and upon the laws of physics rests the models of the past. Like to dispute that?
There is no evidence to suggest it was the same.
Obviously. They are in the gusiness of bad religion...basing alternate creation models on a fairy tale state of the past they cannot prove.
No, it leaves evidence in the dirt and leps by faith alone to evil conclusions.
No. It's models are based on what they believe.
That is your claim. Worthless. The Scriptural claims are tested and tried and proven over great time. Done deal.
Maybe you are a lost sheep and just confused, and swallowed the vile pills they dished out. Fine.
Science misreads evidence of Him and creation and ignores it. That IS science.
Oh? You thought that? Funny Jesus cured and healed most of the land of Palestine! You don't do that not knowing about germs or disease!!!!!
Yes, it sure did. That would be better called sin disasters.
Life expectancy is a joke. There will be billions who die in wars and such in the coming days. Whatever they thought their life expectancy was is a joke.
Not for the same state past which is the foundational belief of ALL models of the past!That "certain base" is called evidence
I know.
The past id not here. The reality you cite is lobotomized in scope and breadth and depth. Piddling in puddles seems to be your game.
Yes, and no, respectively. The default assumption was that the physical fundamentals behave the same now as they did in the past. Scientists predicted what we might expect to see if that assumption is correct. Then they checked to see if was actually found was what the assumption led them to predict. And they have found that those predictions were correct.
That the observational evidence conflicts with biblical stories is not a problem for science, any more than flat-Earthers are a problem for science. Most Christians seem to accept that the biblical story of the creation wasn't meant, or can't be taken, literally. It's only a problem for those who believe it is literal. Puts me in mind of that Groucho quote: "Who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes?"
Newton's Law of Gravitation works as well today as it did when he first proposed it. It's also been indispensable in modelling the multi-billion year history of the Earth and moon, the solar system, the galaxy, and beyond.
Thanks. It's woolly.
That is a fatal flaw. An Achilles tendon.
That is all internal agreement. Even in that imaginary place that they fabricated based on belief, the so called agreement is wildly off. Millions of years in cases.
The root cause was the same. They used the same faulty foundation and premise with increasing knowledge of atoms...so that the ratios could be measured better. None of it means anything at all without the same state past. Not the tree rings, which would have grown fast in the former nature, etc etc. It is actually comical once one is onto them.
There is no observational evidence, there is only belief based heavy handed fanatical bias foisted onto the evidences. They put all evidences in the same state blender, and then declare it is a smooth drink.
That is because most do not really believe the bible. Simple. The wisdom of man inspired by Satan told then God was a liar and they believed it.
Get his eyes in the time of Adam and he can talk.No surprise there, the state has been the same.
Thanks for confessing that. In other words they model the universe after some orchard where an apple fell.
Well I think you have been fleeced by science.
So what? Creation is still creation whether some would be brainiacs think they know better than God or not!
So? Many accept all sorts of vile sins and anti bible nonsense. I do not go by what some so called christians accept.
. Are you getting closer to understanding why your timeline is incorrect?
Not interested in the paper just the wild swings in your own claims. It would be cognitive dissonance to suggest that millions of years are not bandied about freely in revised new improved dates for evilution related old age claims of science.
No. Get a grip.
Don't think for a New York minute that I ever ever ever ever ever consider the stated dates as anything more than sick dementia. They mean less than nothing to me. I Only use your own dream date revisions as weapons against you. They do not agree with each other. To me that is like various sick dreams not agreeing with each other, I could not care less. But for those who take the same state past belief based dates seriously....you should give your heads a shake.
In other words, the ever changing lies of science inevitably must face correction and revision. We get it.You are right, science corrects itself. It's how it gets a better understanding of the world. It's how we learn things. But props to you for doing research. None of those links you provided falsify evolution....they don't even try to. I hope you learned something though
No. It is above your paygrade.
Opinions of folks who do not believe the bible are of no matter at all to me. None. I don't care if they call themselves ducks, saints, wise men, or christians.
When evolving, which was a God given created trait, is taken to the level where they credit it with life on earth, that IS rejecting God.
If they had smarts they would now be in hiding.
Christian smistian. The issue is Scripture and belief. Not who wants to be seen as a christian for some reason. get over it.
