The origins of atheism

[As I was saying]

Lol didn't you show up in this thread after it was already 80+ pages long? "I'd rather you go away..."

It's also funny that you think you need to dumb your vocabulary down for us when you don't know what "strawmen, framing an argument, or soft atheism" are. Looks like you need us in more threads that you participate in.

If you go back to the page before you joined the thread and read some of the posts, you'll see there was a conversation happening. Granted, most of it revolved around teaching Chiliman basic logic...but it was a conversation. You haven't added anything to this thread except insults that you've thrown at atheists.

ditto

 

[As I was saying]

I contend we're both atheists...

whose we?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Give us something tangible to discuss other than God does not exist and we might have something to say that is worth hearing. It is difficult to make intelligent conversation when the other person does nothing more than make cynical comments and off the cuff retorts that are meaningless.

As a retired teacher, I know that the language you use with primary kids is different to the language you use with VCE students. On here when I am talking to atheists I feel that I have to use primary school language as their ability to comprehend and their ability to articulate rational thought is just not there.

Personally I would much rather you would go away so that I can have a sensible and rational discussion with fellow believers who are not full of cynicism and sarcasm but that is not in my hands so I have to bear my cross accordingly.

Doctor, heal thyself.

 

[As I was saying]

In other words, religion is very important to you.

In other words religion is unimportant to me.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

In other words religion is unimportant to me.

Yeah, you're not religious at all... just religious. Important difference.

 

[As I was saying]

That's a fair assessment, though I'm not sure you're interpreting these quotes correctly. Could you lay out the arguments that you believe they support?

I am not interpreting them at all.

 

[As I was saying]

Yeah, you're not religious at all... just religious. Important difference.

No, not religious at all but you don't understand that as all religion is the same to you.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

No, not religious at all but you don't understand that as all religion is the same to you.

All the same in what respect?

 

[As I was saying]

That is not my position. There is not much more to do in response to untestable, unfalsifiable religious assertions than offer a sceptical response. Nicely veiled insult. Do you find that insults add weight to your assertions?

What is your position? The lotus position maybe? There is not much more to do when the person you are talking to has no understanding of the supernatural and how it works. No insult, just the truth which you can't handle. I find the truth adds weight to my facts.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

What is your position? The lotus position maybe? There is not much more to do when the person you are talking to has no understanding of the supernatural and how it works. No insult, just the truth which you can't handle. I find the truth adds weight to my facts.

I'm skeptical that you have an understanding of the supernatural and how it works.

 

[As I was saying]

All the same in what respect?

Oh that one is very simple. All you talk about is "religion" as though it was some monolithic expression of faith when that could not be farther from the truth. I can't remember the times I have asked atheists to explain what they are talking about when they say "religion does this" or religion does that" and to help them along I ask are you talking about the brutal muslims, the pacifist Amish, the pentecostals, the baptists, the Seventh Day Adventists that meet on Saturday, The Hindus who hate Christians, the Buddhists, the Mennonites who major on prayer, the Anglicans, the Methodists whose founder brought revival to England in the 1700s, all those missionaries who have given up everything to minister to the needs of the poor, orphans and hungry in Africa. Despite this prompting, I never seem to get an answer from them. Perhaps they don't know so they can't answer.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Oh that one is very simple. All you talk about is "religion" as though it was some monolithic expression of faith when that could not be farther from the truth. I can't remember the times I have asked atheists to explain what they are talking about when they say "religion does this" or religion does that" and to help them along I ask are you talking about the brutal muslims, the pacifist Amish, the pentecostals, the baptists, the Seventh Day Adventists that meet on Saturday, The Hindus who hate Christians, the Buddhists, the Mennonites who major on prayer, the Anglicans, the Methodists whose founder brought revival to England in the 1700s, all those missionaries who have given up everything to minister to the needs of the poor, orphans and hungry in Africa. Despite this prompting, I never seem to get an answer from them. Perhaps they don't know so they can't answer.

All the above and more.

 

[As I was saying]

I'm skeptical that you have an understanding of the supernatural and how it works.

As you are an atheist who believes that the supernatural does not exist I don't think that you are capable of speaking with authority on the subject.

 

[As I was saying]

All the above and more.

So there is no difference between the pacifist Amish and the brutal muslims?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

As you are an atheist who believes that the supernatural does not exist I don't think that you are capable of speaking with authority on the subject.

I don't think you're capable of speaking with authority on it either.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

So there is no difference between the pacifist Amish and the brutal muslims?

No, I didn't say there was no difference. I said that they are all examples of religion.

 

[Freodin]

Religion is totally unimportant to me. What I major on is my faith in God. I don't need religion for that as it is a one to one relationship which I can enjoy anywhere, anytime and without interruption.

The scriptures say to pray without ceasing. That is me. I am talking to God all the time and he is talking to me all the time. If I want to know anything I just ask God and he gives me the answer. That way I don't have to ask myself "shall I do this" or "shall I do that" or shall I do the other." And you know what, when I do what he tells me to do, bingo, the desired outcome happens.

That is the trouble with atheists. They have this strange notion that religion is where God is at. That could not be further from the truth. God did away with religion at the cross. When Jesus rose from the dead, the curtain that separated the holy of holies which only the high priest was allowed to go into once a year by tearing it from top to bottom which was an indication that God was now available to everyone.

No man could tear it because it was very heavy and thickly woven almost like a door and if man tore it he would do it from bottom to top which didn't happen. It was top to bottom.

See what a difference it makes when you know what you are talking about. it stops you looking an idiot when you proof text which usually mean you take things totally out of context and use a verse to support your pet peeves.

Oh, one of you who directly talks to God and he talks back! Wonderful! You might be just the person I am looking for.

See, I have this little problem that has bothering me for, well, most of my life now. I have a mystery to solve, and I cannot do it on my own.

But here I might have access to someone who directly talks to God, and he gives you the answers to your question and never fails you.

Well, I'd ask you to put in a question on my behalf. Ask him to tell you the solution for that mystery that haunts me for over 30 years now. Ask him to tell you what happened then, and what caused it.

Would you do that for me?

And, please, if you do that for me, make sure to ask him for the information about the situation I am referring to... just so that I can be certain that the answer you present - whatever it may be, positive, negative or evasive - is for the correct question.

 

[As I was saying]

It's the truth! I told you I love the truth!

If you don't believe me...just look up "strawman fallacy". You've heard of Google, haven't you?

Yeah the truth according to ana who is deluded into thinking that because she says it is the truth it must be the truth. It is obvious you think that things are what you want them to be rather than what they actually are.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Yeah the truth according to ana who is deluded into thinking that because she says it is the truth it must be the truth. It is obvious you think that things are what you want them to be rather than what they actually are.

He.

 

[quatona]

So there is no difference between the pacifist Amish and the brutal muslims?

Yes, there is, and there is even a difference between pacifist and brutal Christians.
That´s exactly why I don´t buy into the "godless ideals" thing; and why I don´t buy into the idea of great significance of the distinction atheist vs. theist for any practical purpose.
I, the pacifist atheist, feel I have more in common with pacifist Muslims, pacifist Christians and pacifist Satanists than, say, a pacifist Christian and a brutal Christian have in common.