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Chimp and human species look nothing alike

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Science has no basic observations and I start threads to expose their religious drool.
Seem unlikely to me that the methods that enable the amazing technologies we all use (you too) begin to fail when they just happen to cross your particular religious commitments,
 
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No. I am saying that you were mixed. There is only do much we can learn from rocks...not wheter God exists, or your mom.

In ratios, you assume decay dunnit.

I make no such assumption. The measurement of isotopes does not use their decay rates. Mass spectrometers measure the mass and amount without any reference to the element's stability or decay rate.
 
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Seem unlikely to me that the methods that enable the amazing technologies we all use (you too) begin to fail when they just happen to cross your particular religious commitments,
What seems some way to you is not what you need to be posting. Make a case.
 
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I make no such assumption. The measurement of isotopes does not use their decay rates. Mass spectrometers measure the mass and amount without any reference to the element's stability or decay rate.
Let's not be hypocritical. The ratios, once determined are then put in the meat grinder of same state past belief to come up with meaning.
 
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Let's not be hypocritical. The ratios, once determined are then put in the meat grinder of same state past belief to come up with meaning.

First, do you agree that a mass spectrometer does not use decay rates to measure the quantity of specific isotopes in rocks?
 
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First, do you agree that a mass spectrometer does not use decay rates to measure the quantity of specific isotopes in rocks?
How would I know? Who cares? The only thing that matters is that when they get the ratios, they then go crazy with their belief system on those ratios!
 
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How would I know? Who cares?

You care.

"In ratios, you assume decay dunnit."--dad

So are you going to answer the question or not?

" do you agree that a mass spectrometer does not use decay rates to measure the quantity of specific isotopes in rocks?"
 
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Yes is sure does. They know little about the 91% DNA, so how would that mean that they know how it works?
The predominant mechanisms of DNA activity and regulation are known. What is unknown is how (and if) those mechanisms operate in every section of DNA in the genome. Nevertheless, large sequences non-coding DNA show no signs of activity, and creatures survive without it with no apparent ill-effects.

It is difficult to be certain how the whole genome functions because it has an unpredictability characteristic of the results of a process of random variation with selection, rather than the intentional (intelligent?) structured design. If it followed some well-structured coherent plan, the whole thing would have been sorted long ago.
 
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The predominant mechanisms of DNA activity and regulation are known. What is unknown is how (and if) those mechanisms operate in every section of DNA in the genome. Nevertheless, large sequences non-coding DNA show no signs of activity, and creatures survive without it with no apparent ill-effects.

To put it another way, those who claim that the vast majority of the human genome has function, they need an explanation for this:

"All functional entities in the universe can be rendered nonfunctional by the ravages of time, entropy, mutation, and what have you. Unless a genomic functionality is actively protected by selection, it will accumulate deleterious mutations and will cease to be functional. The absurd alternative, which unfortunately was adopted by ENCODE, is to assume that no deleterious mutations can ever occur in the regions they have deemed to be functional. Such an assumption is akin to claiming that a television set left on and unattended will still be in working condition after a million years because no natural events, such as rust, erosion, static electricity, and earthquakes can affect it. The convoluted rationale for the decision to discard evolutionary conservation and constraint as the arbiters of functionality put forward by a lead ENCODE author (Stamatoyannopoulos 2012) is groundless and self-serving. "
http://gbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/5/3/578.long

Only 10% of the human genome shows evidence of selection protecting function.
 
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Perhaps you haven't heard that creationist geologists have reconciled the evidence with a 6,000 year timeline:
25 Oct. 4004 B.C.: Encounter with Nemesis
knocks Lucifer out of Oort Gloud.
1 Nov. 4004 B.C.: Earth still largely molten;
Adam and Eve invent asbestos waders.
3714 B.C.: The first biotechnologist, Cain,
invents cyanobacteria.
3554 B.C.: Komatiitic lava inundates earliest
crust; Noah's Ark incinerated.
3264 B.C.: Methuselah begins to notice
passage of geological time.
3124 B.C.: Archaean stratiform sulfide
deposits form, making Bronze Age possible.
2844 B.C.: Tired of reading graphic granite,
Imhotep invents hieroglyphs.
2584 B.C.: Earliest sedimentation; discovery
of slate leads to stone tablets.
2444 B.C.: Breathable atmosphere develops;
first sermon preached.
2384 B.C.: Descendants of Tubal Cain
inaugurate banded Iron Age. Sphinx
starts to fossilize.
2024 B.C.: Nimrod the Hunter erects the
Geosyncline of Babel.
1914 B.C.: Advent of diapirism; Lot's wife
turned into first salt dome.
1794 B.C.: Children of Ham split from Israel-
ites, insisting that the Burgess Shale
fauna are kosher; chowder invented.
1704 B.C.: Charshumash the Hittite bitten by
first vertebrate; lawyers emerge from
slime.
1624 B.C.: Samson attempts perovskite
synthesis; laboratory of the Philistines
implodes.
1444 B.C.: War of the Chaldean Succession;
Pangea broken up in accordance with the
Treat of Uruk
1334 B.C.: Shang Empire abandons efforts
to invent compass when China drifts over
south magnetic pole.
1264 B.C.: Moses invents hydrofracturing;
opening of Red Sea rift drowns Egyptian
Army.
1194 B.C.: Odysseus runs aground on
Gondwandan Riviera; Circe founds Club Teth.
1104 B.C.: Ezekiel see de pterodactyl 'way
up in de middle ob de air.
1024 B.C.: Goliath stepped on by irate
Barosaurus, David takes credit.
794 B.C.: Jonah swallowed by Carcharas
megalodon.
564 B.C.: Pythagoras publishes Air-Earth-
Fire-Water phase diagram.
454 B.C.: Marble deposits form in Greece;
Parthenon erected.
338 B.C.: Aristotle concludes that quartz is
just another polymorph of ice, like
diamond or pearls; this is known as
the Wisdom of the Ancients.
48 B.C.: All of Gaul is divided into three
parts by the collision of Corsica with the
European Plate.
The Year Zero: Nothing much happened,
there being none.
A.D. 31: Miracle of the Loaves and
Ichthyosaurs.
A.D. 70: Paul, formerly Saul the Tarser,
undergoes identity crisis on the road to
Damascus and writes Epistle to the
Cephalopods.
A.D. 344: Vanguard of Attila the Hun
perishes when Romans breach
Gibraltar escarpment, flooding the
Mediterranean Desert.
A.D. 494: Snakes evolve and are driven out
of Ireland.
A.D. 974: Lief the Unlucky is lost with all
hands when his dragon ship is spotted
by an amorous Kronosaurus.
A.D. 1066: William the Conqueror invades
England by walking through northern
France.
A.D. 1215: Magna Carta eaten by Velociraptor.
A.D. 1324: Gunpowder and plate armor introduced;
dinosaurs hunted to extinction.
A.D. 1384: Dante Alighieri describes
core-mantle boundary.
A.D. 1444: Flowering plants appear; War of
the Roses commences.
A.D. 1484: Leonardo da Vinci designs
Archaeopteryx.
A.D. 1492: Mesoamerica emerges, thwarting
Columbus's discovery of Japan; the
Santa Maria is attacked by ammonites.
A.D. 1522: Hernan Cortes uses asteroid
impact to conquer Aztec Empire.
A.D. 1588: Spanish Armada frustrated by
continuing absence of English Channel.
A.D. 1636: Earliest primates appear; Harvard
founded.
A.D. 1664: An English primate becomes
Primate of Ireland; Archbishop Ussher
successfully deduces last four out of ten
digits of the age of the Earth.
A.D. 1688: Hapsburg Iceboat Armada
invades England via London-Bruges
canal; Inquisition burns Isaac Newton at
the stake for alchemy.
A.D. 1754: Gibbons evolve and write master-
pieces like The Oecline and Fall of the
Roman Empire.
A.D. 1776: Washington's Mastodon Cavalry
routs Hessians at Battle of Hudson Canyon.
A.D. 1835: Charles Darwin, attacked by giant
ratite in Galapagos, returns home a
convinced Neptunist.
A.D. 1846: A milestone in ape evolution is
passed: birth of a son to Bishop and Lady
Wilburforce.
A.D. 1867: COSMOS superstar Alexander
Von Humboldt wins the Napoleon lll
Peace Prize for sabotaging the Baltimore
Gun Club's lunar cannon.
A.D. 1894: Awed by extent of glaciation,
Cecil Rhodes proposes Capetown-to-
Cairo bobsled run.
A.D. 1914: Younger Dryas sea-level rise
unleashes U-boats into the Atlantic, Holy
Roman Empire wins World War I.
A.D. 1948: Harry Truman proposes using ice
to contain Stalin; Cold War begins, end-
ing Last Interglacial.
A.D. 1954: Glaciers retreat from Fulda Gap;
de Gaulle invades Russia.
A.D. 1957: Civil Rights Movement
challenges Jim Cro-Magnon laws.
A.D. 1961: Rachel Carson links DDT to
Glyptodonts' decline.
A.D. 1969: Last sighting of saber-toothed
tiger in Central Park; Elizabeth Taylor
divorces Proconsul.
A.D. 1971: Andy Warhol paints Campbell
Soup cans on walls of Lascaux caverns.
A.D. 1983: Australopithecus wins the
America's Cup.
A.D. 1988: Homo habilis volunteers to serve
as Pat Robertson's running mate.
A.D. 1990: Last Neanderthals perish in siege
of Kremlin.
A.D. 1991: Saddam Hussein discovers fire;
Holocene tar sands form in Kuwait.
A.D. 1997: Citing black smoker emissions,
the EPA bans continental drift. Thermophilis
wins Nobel Prize for sequencing its
own DNA while trapped in amber.

N.B.: As all dates except the first are +/- 2.3
billion years, the author strongly advises against
using this chronology for purposes of exegesis
or the calibration of carbon-14 dating.
http://muq.org/~cynbe/humor/millenium6.html
 
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You care.

"In ratios, you assume decay dunnit."--dad

So are you going to answer the question or not?

" do you agree that a mass spectrometer does not use decay rates to measure the quantity of specific isotopes in rocks?"
Just admit that however we find ratios, once we do you go to town on them with your belief system. That is all there is to so called dates.

If you have some point on mass spectrometers, spit it out.
 
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To put it another way, those who claim that the vast majority of the human genome has function, they need an explanation for this:

"All functional entities in the universe can be rendered nonfunctional by the ravages of time, entropy, mutation, and what have you. Unless a genomic functionality is actively protected by selection, it will accumulate deleterious mutations and will cease to be functional. ...
Nope. Mutations as we know them are a feature of this near earth universe and present state only...not the universe and all time of man on earth.
 
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The predominant mechanisms of DNA activity and regulation are known.
Only for the present! And you do not know mechanisms of the 91% DNA that you do not know much about. Obviously or you would know much about it! Think of all the mechanisms lurking in the unknown DNA that you know not anything about.

What is unknown is how (and if) those mechanisms operate in every section of DNA in the genome.
To some extent. But since is is all basically 'greek' to you anyhow, how would you know if thing might work other ways than your heretofore never suspected? After all, only recently is it coming to light the majority of DNA is not really junk.

Nevertheless, large sequences non-coding DNA show no signs of activity, and creatures survive without it with no apparent ill-effects.
That seems to hint it had a use in the former state, and may even have some hidden uses now.
It is difficult to be certain how the whole genome functions because it has an unpredictability characteristic of the results of a process of random variation with selection, rather than the intentional (intelligent?) structured design.

So you don't know. Bingo.
If it followed some well-structured coherent plan, the whole thing would have been sorted long ago.
Not by science, who is working with one mostly blind eye only and proud of it.
 
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