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The continuity of physical laws and constants has been observed ever since observation started.
What would that be then, a hundred years??!! get a grip. The issue is what the state was pre flood.
You'd need a good reason to think things were otherwise at some point. There is no good reason.
God's word is reason enough for me to believe the past was as it was. The inability of you to prove what state existed tells us that you have squat to say about it.
 
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What reason do you have to think that physical laws were different at certain points?
What reason do you have to think that physical laws were never different at certain points?

You don't. You timeline is a claim. Can you demonstrate it's accurate without circular reasoning and using scripture?? The mental gymnastics you do is astonishing.
It is based on the bible and the changes recorded, as well as the science knowledge about basic known events in the past.

It's not even worth debating since you have demonstrated you have no idea what evolution is or how it works.
It worked another way in the past so you are incapable of disputing that or supporting how you think it worked!

I could throw all the evidence in the world in front of you and you'll just resort to cognitive dissonance and move the goal posts. H
Lame excuse for having no evidence at all.
 
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What reason do you have to think that physical laws were never different at certain points?

No evidence to suggest they were. I don't pretend to know things like you do.

It is based on the bible and the changes recorded, as well as the science knowledge about basic known events in the past.

This bible is a claim. You can't use it as evidence. There is an abundant amount of evidence that shows that there was no world wide flood. What science knowledge does the bible confirm? Please provide a source. Here are two that show that the idea of a world wide flood is demonstrably wrong.

http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-flood.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html

It worked another way in the past so you are incapable of disputing that or supporting how you think it worked!

Show evidence that support your claims. You repeatedly fail to do so.

Lame excuse for having no evidence at all.

I could cite you evidence all day long. Will you look at it? Doubtful.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-research.html

 
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What would that be then, a hundred years??!! get a grip. The issue is what the state was pre flood.

What flood? Evidence please.

God's word is reason enough for me to believe the past was as it was. The inability of you to prove what state existed tells us that you have squat to say about it.

Show us a single piece of evidence that is inconsistent with a same state past.
 
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... They don't even know how most present day dna works!
They know how it works, but not what it all does.
How could one get more ignorant??
By dismissing the usefully explanatory and predictive models and knowledge that science provides.
 
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No evidence to suggest they were. I don't pretend to know things like you do.
Pleading ignorance is fine. Jeut lose any claims that oppose the truth.


This bible is a claim. You can't use it as evidence.
Your claim is a claim. The bible is proven and time tested. You don't get a vote. It is evidence.
There is an abundant amount of evidence that shows that there was no world wide flood. What science knowledge does the bible confirm? Please provide a source. Here are two that show that the idea of a world wide flood is demonstrably wrong.

http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-flood.html
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html
None at all, the spam sites you listed are for buffoon beliefs. Name any item in the links and watch it get shot down.

I could cite you evidence all day long. Will you look at it? Doubtful.
Start anytime, the spam link posts have grown stale.
 
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What flood? Evidence please.
Noah's flood. All evidence is subject to interpretation. The bible record is clear and proven.

Show us a single piece of evidence that is inconsistent with a same state past.

Show us a single piece not predicated upon one!?
 
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They know how it works, but not what it all does.
By dismissing the usefully explanatory and predictive models and knowledge that science provides.
No they do not know how it works to any significant degree. Otherwise they would know what it does! Now where does that leave what they know about what primeval dna did!?
 
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Noah's flood. All evidence is subject to interpretation. The bible record is clear and proven.

What features would a geologic formation need in order to disprove the Bible?

Show us a single piece not predicated upon one!?

The ratios in rocks are not measured using a same state past assumption.
 
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Pleading ignorance is fine. Jeut lose any claims that oppose the truth.

How is it ignorant to dismiss claims that don't have any evidence to support them?

Your claim is a claim. The bible is proven and time tested. You don't get a vote. It is evidence.

There is an obvious difference between my claims and yours. Mine have evidence, yours do not. The bible is not proven. The timeline for the age of the earth in the bible is demonstrably wrong. You can ignore the evidence all you want, it won't make it go away. Facts don't care what you believe, they are still facts. Sorry, it's not evidence. Try again.

None at all, the spam sites you listed are for buffoon beliefs. Name any item in the links and watch it get shot down.

I'm going to guess you didn't read them. Are you afraid of what you might learn? I posted the links and have given you the opportunity to refute any of it. You are asking me to pick a link in there and let you shoot it down. Hmmmm alright, i'll play along. Lets go with the geologic column. Feel free to quote or screen shot any content from the link and demonstrate your evidence against it.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/geocolumn/
 
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What features would a geologic formation need in order to disprove the Bible?
What features would a geologic formation need in order to disprove the sun or your mother existed?

The ratios in rocks are not measured using a same state past assumption.
Yes, they assume our laws and therefore decay existed.
 
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What features would a geologic formation need in order to disprove the sun or your mother existed?

Are you admitting that you don't care what the evidence is?


Yes, they assume our laws and therefore decay existed.

How does a mass spectrometer use decay rates to measure the amount of an isotope in a rock? Please explain.
 
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How is it ignorant to dismiss claims that don't have any evidence to support them?
That is what I do. If one tried to do that with time proven scripture, one might as well say there was never any Napoleon.

There is an obvious difference between my claims and yours. Mine have evidence, yours do not.
Then stop quacking and post it.

The bible is not proven.
That is your opinion and your opinion is not proven!

The timeline for the age of the earth in the bible is demonstrably wrong
Demonstrate it then, why quack all day?

I'm going to guess you didn't read them. Are you afraid of what you might learn? I posted the links and have given you the opportunity to refute any of it. You are asking me to pick a link in there and let you shoot it down. Hmmmm alright, i'll play along. Lets go with the geologic column. Feel free to quote or screen shot any content from the link and demonstrate your evidence against it.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/geocolumn/
If I had a nickel for every time I read the tired old demonic dream claims of talkorgins and their thick PRATTS I could buy an original Origin of the Species and burn it to roast a marshmallow.
 
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That is what I do.

Actually, you close your eyes and plug your ears at any evidence presented to you. You have no rebuttal except ad-hominen attacks by saying "buffoon beliefs". It reminds me of a quote
"I always think it's a sign of victory when they move onto ad-hominem."
-Christopher Hitchens
Do you have a rebuttal or just attacks?

Then stop quacking and post it.

That is your opinion and your opinion is not proven!

The evidence has already been presented to you. Look back throughout the thread. You seem to ignore it or dismiss it without a sound rebuttal. Supporting evidence is not an opinion. I accept the best explanation based on the available evidence.

If I had a nickel for every time I read the tired old demonic dream claims of talkorgins and their thick PRATTS I could buy an original Origin of the Species and burn it to roast a marshmallow.

More ad hominem without any rebuttal. :rolleyes:

Do you have a real argument or not?
 
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Are you admitting that you don't care what the evidence is?
No. I am saying that you were mixed. There is only do much we can learn from rocks...not wheter God exists, or your mom.

In ratios, you assume decay dunnit.
 
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Are you admitting that you don't care what the evidence is?
No. I am saying that you were mixed. There is only do much we can learn from rocks...not wheter God exists, or your mom.

In ratios, you assume decay dunnit.
 
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.......It is based on the bible ....
Why do you even start threads that appeal to science (even if the appeal is misguided) when ultimately, science is worth zero to you? If you cant trust basic observations, then you have nothing to discuss except positions based on faith.
 
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Actually, you close your eyes and plug your ears at any evidence presented to you.
Not at all if you dare to present a piece or two we can see what you got. Don't flatter yourself pretending that folks need to ignore the powerful stuff you pretend to have.

You have no rebuttal except ad-hominen attacks by saying "buffoon beliefs". It reminds me of a quote
"I always think it's a sign of victory when they move onto ad-hominem."
-Christopher Hitchens
Do you have a rebuttal or just attacks?
Stop blathering and say something intelligent. Did you think because you named Hitchens that it would sound clever?? The adjectives I used to describe the doctrine of devils den of delusions called talkorigins is apt, fitting and a word fitly spoken.

The evidence has already been presented to you. Look back throughout the thread. You seem to ignore it or dismiss it without a sound rebuttal. Supporting evidence is not an opinion. I accept the best explanation based on the available evidence.
Baloney. Rattling off the word radioactive decay or some such is not evidence of anything but thickness.
 
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Why do you even start threads that appeal to science (even if the appeal is misguided) when ultimately, science is worth zero to you? If you cant trust basic observations, then you have nothing to discuss except positions based on faith.

Science has no basic observations and I start threads to expose their religious drool.
 
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