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What is the positive evidence FOR creationism?

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Ahh...apart from the little snipe at the end you are finally starting to see the conundrum which begins with the question itself. I have stated on this thread that by definition it is impossible to prove via physical evidence the Creator of the universe (and thus establish a workable and irrefutable scientific creationism) because that would have to be from outside the creation- no physical evidence would be sufficient evidence on its own. As stated, it's asking us to clean a window and handing us a hammer and a nail with which to do it.

That is a claim, not evidence.

The problem for you is that we do have evidence. We have evidence for the history of species preserved in both the fossil record and in their genomes. We have evidence for the geologic history of this planet. We have astronomical evidence for the history of this universe. At some point, we may even have evidence for how this universe came about in the same way that we have evidence for those other processes.

To state right out that there can't be evidence is nothing more than an admission that you will not consider the evidence when found.

The question is: can you live with that? Is it possible for you to live knowing that science can't prove everything?

There is no reason to believe that science can't figure out how our universe came about.
 
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The opening post is asking those who don't accept evolution, don't accept an old earth/universe, and believe in a recent global flood (or a combination of those beliefs) to produce evidence to back those claims. We call this group of people "creationists". The term was already defined for this thread, even if tacitly.

I cannot agree since I'm a Creationist who posts against the False ToE and i show
WHY the Flood narrative is so important and you have been unable to refute God's Truth...nor the empirical Historic Truth of the Fertile Crescent. Amen?
 
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I cannot agree since I'm a Creationist who posts against the False ToE and i show
WHY the Flood narrative is so important and you have been unable to refute God's Truth...nor the empirical Historic Truth of the Fertile Crescent. Amen?

All you have are claims, not evidence. This thread is asking for scientific evidence, not the constant repetition of scriptures with no evidence to back them.
 
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All you have are claims, not evidence. This thread is asking for scientific evidence, not the constant repetition of scriptures with no evidence to back them.

I support what I post with the AGREEMENT of Scripture, Science and History. What bothers you about my views is that you cannot refute a single jot nor tittle of this agreement. God's Truth MUST agree with every other discovered Truth or it's just as unreliable as the changeable Truth of Godless Evolutionism.
 
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Where is the scriptural evidence to support yours?

Scientific theories don't need scriptural support. Also, I have never claimed to have scriptural support.

Aman does claim to have scientific evidence. That's the difference. If Aman wants to change his story and say that it is based on faith, then I am happy to accept that answer.
 
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Scientific theories don't need scriptural support. Also, I have never claimed to have scriptural support.

Aman does claim to have scientific evidence. That's the difference. If Aman wants to change his story and say that it is based on faith, then I am happy to accept that answer.

Well, I've had discussions like this with you in the past and have presented you with the scientific evidence only to have you come back with some statement that you don't think what I showed you was good enough.
 
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Well, I've had discussions like this with you in the past and have presented you with the scientific evidence only to have you come back with some statement that you don't think what I showed you was good enough.

I am not the only one in this thread. If you have positive evidence for creationism, this is the thread where you should present it.
 
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Well, I've had discussions like this with you in the past and have presented you with the scientific evidence only to have you come back with some statement that you don't think what I showed you was good enough.
I'd like to see the evidence.
 
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Anything in particular you'd like to quote from that?

No. I'll just let anyone who wants to find what they're looking for look through it for their particular area of interest.
 
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No. I'll just let anyone who wants to find what they're looking for look through it for their particular area of interest.

Seeing as how the first few paragraphs do nothing but try to attack evolution I doubt there's any real substance there
 
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Seeing as how the first few paragraphs do nothing but try to attack evolution I doubt there's any real substance there

Dismissing it all after such a short time? Come on! Science takes a little more work than that. Keep reading.
 
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That's the worst reason to believe in God. "Believe in me or go to hell."
Who would worship that God?

I wonder if all the Christians that preached turn or burn will get to watch all the atheists get welcomed into Heaven while the "Christians" get sent off to hell.

The atheists will say, "I didn't believe in God because they projected their cruelty onto you." God may say to them, "You have spent your life pursuing truth and you have found it, would you like to join me?"
To the Christians He may say, "You have spent your life worshiping a being of cruelty and spreading fear. I have a place for people that are into that. Hope you enjoy."
Well, like it or not, it's what is written in the Bible. Take a look at this...

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.
Rev 20:13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done.
Rev 20:14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.
Rev 20:15 If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Then there a warnings from God Himself - Look at this passage from Jesus the Creator...

Mat 7:13 "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.
Mat 7:14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
Mat 7:15 "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.
Mat 7:16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
Mat 7:17 Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?'
Mat 7:23 Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'
Mat 7:24 "Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock.
Mat 7:25 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock.
Mat 7:26 But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand.
Mat 7:27 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash."
 
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God could have used evolution, for which there is overwhelming evidence for this.
Could maybe, but would have, most definitely not. The process of evolution is based on survival of the fittest is it not? So you're saying that a loving God would use such a cruel and wasteful way as evolution in order to achive his aims, when all along he had the power to simply make everything perfect to begin with. That's not the sort of god that I would want to worship.
 
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