The origins of atheism

[Chad Farwell]

a closed mind can never believe in Satan either

 

[Chad Farwell]

Narrow Minds block The Narrow Path

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

A truly rational person must logically conclude that since nothing creates itself, and creation does exist in all its splendor, THERE MUST OF NECESSITY BE A CREATOR. So to choose to reject the existence of the Creator is actually one of the most irrational beliefs in existence, hence we read in Scripture "The FOOL has said in his heart, there is no God".

Actually you would be committing the logical fallacy of argument from personal incredulity. "I can't imagine all of this without a creator, therefore a creator exists"

 

[AV1611VET]

good point the person has to at least be openminded to the possibility that God could exist if they are completely absolutely closeminded to the idea there could be a God then their mind will constantly fight any efforts that God makes.

To say there is no God is like saying there is no gravity.

We see the effects of God all around us.

We even see the effects of those who try to imitate their own ideas of God.

Whatever God has, Satan has manufactured imitations.

And we see those imitations as well.

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

You are not a seeker. You have told us that you have dispensed with faith and are happy that you did so. So why would you ever believe such apologetic books? You have already made up your mind.

Why do you make baseless assumptions about people? Did I state that I read these books recently? Perhaps I read them when I was seeking. I concluded that the books were filled with nonsensical arguments and logical fallacies.

 

[Chad Farwell]

then who creates all we don't want to exist ?

 

[SteveB28]

how many of those judging the experience of another person having a religious experience and calling it a delusional episode are athiests ? if the psychiatrist is an athiest and observes someone having a religious experience their perception would obviously be that the person is not really having a genuine religious experience but is simply suffering from a delusion . a psychiatrist who is a christian would observe the situation and come to a different conclusion and determine that the person is not delusional and in fact is having a religious experience . just because an athiest psychiatrist has determined that a person in his opinion is suffering from religious delusion doesnt make it a fact and doesnt mean that religious psychiatrists would agree with him .

I know this is something of a burden for people like you, but what evidence do you have for your claims?

I can find you plenty of research to show that a large number of schizophrenic delusions are of a religious nature, for example. How do you determine that it was 'biased atheist analysts' that diagnosed those people?

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

To say there is no God is like saying there is no gravity.

Well the theory of gravity (Theory of relativity) is observable, testable and predictable..... A God is not...

 

[Chad Farwell]

there are no baseless assumptions they all stem from some belief or ideal some from a Belief in God or other.

 

[AV1611VET]

a closed mind can never believe in Satan either

I'd venture to say Satan doesn't care.

As long as they don't believe in God, then he's probably happy.

That's why he hates the Bible so much.

It exposes him.

 

[Job8]

Actually you would be committing the logical fallacy of argument from personal incredulity. "I can't imagine all of this without a creator, therefore a creator exists"

That is a really specious argument. The logic would be "How can a creation exist without a Creator?" Look all around you and ask yourself the same question:
1. How can a house be built without an architect or designer?
2. How can a car exist without a designer and manufacturer?
3. How can a city exist without city planners and developers?

Since NOTHING CREATES ITSELF, simple rational logic demands that a Creator be behind His creation.

 

[Chad Farwell]

doesn't happy denote care

 

[Chad Farwell]

so then Sin would never exist without a Sinner, Satan must have gotten his Venom into someone

 

[Chicken Little]

I think Atheism only exists because it surest and fastest way to do all out rebellion that has spur on relentlessly on education system and freaky professors of lies . so that you and they can what you want when you want to . and at the same time pretend( self justification ) to feel no guilt for it.
of course spending your life whining on a christian list like someone cares to hear why you only want to do what you want to do, as if we don't know already . proves that they have been fooling themselves.

 

[AV1611VET]

Well the theory of gravity (Theory of relativity) is observable, testable and predictable..... A God is not...

That's because He is invisible.

 

[AV1611VET]

so then Sin would never exist without a Sinner, Satan must have gotten his Venom into someone

We aren't sinners because we sin.

We sin because we're sinners.

 

[Chad Farwell]

The Astronaut said to the Brain Surgeon 'I have been in space many times and ner a God seen', the Surgeon replied 'I have opened many heads and ner a thought'

 

[jenny1972]

I know this is something of a burden for people like you, but what evidence do you have for your claims?

I can find you plenty of research to show that a large number of schizophrenic delusions are of a religious nature, for example. How do you determine that it was 'biased atheist analysts' that diagnosed those people?

since analysis is not done by a computer but by humans the diagnosis is based on the personal opinions and beliefs of the person who is evaluating this other person and making a determination they are looking for a psychiatric diagnosis and if they do not believe in God then even if the person IS having a religious experience that diagnosis is not possible because the athiest does not personally believe in it and so they assume that it must me something else . God is not an option in an athiests mind so an athiest psychiatrist cannot make objective diagnosis they can only make a subjective diagnosis based on their personal opinions. of those people who have been judged to be suffering from religious delusions how many genuinely did have a religious experience ? if you ask this to a psychiatrist who is an athiest , and many if not most are , they will say " none " obviously because personally they do not believe in God . Its all subjective and based on opinion.

psychiatrists are the least religious of all physicians national survey reveals http://www.livescience.com/1823-psychiatrists-religious-physicians.html

 

[ecco]

You are projecting your own habit of contempt prior to investigation onto me. Run of the mill knee-jerk atheist.

"The scientist, as such, is limited to the discovery of the relatedness of material facts. Technically, he has no right to assert that he is either materialist or idealist, for in so doing he has assumed to forsake the attitude of a true scientist since any and all such assertions of attitude are the very essence of philosophy." UB 1955​

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I thought you had made up the phrase "true scientist". Now I see you took it from the teachings of something called the Urantia. I'll admit I did not bother to do a lot of reading of the Urantia literature. But from what I did read I got the impression that it was a cross between Scientology and Heavens Gate.

With all due respect, I tend to not be impressed by stories that claim to be "excerpts from the archives of Jerusem for the records of Urantia" and then to state "987,000,000,000 years ago associate force organizer and then acting inspector number 811,307 of the Orvonton series, traveling out from Uversa, reported to the Ancients of Days that space conditions were favorable for the initiation of materialization phenomena in a certain sector of the, then, easterly segment of Orvonton."

 

[ScottA]

I have to say that this is one of the most surreal threads I have ever participated in.

Welcome to the material world...it's a unreal life-like experience. But only when you contrast it to the greater, infinite reality. The difference is night and day (as it is written).