Ohio dad writes check to school using Common Core math

[NightHawkeye]

Maybe he set it up so none of his money could be taken by the school?

Nah ... the check clearing system is essentially automated. The person who encodes the amount of the check can encode it for any amount they choose.

I learned this the hard way thirty years ago when a check written for $25.00 zeroed my bank account because it had been encoded for $5000+.

He'd better know what he was doing, or else he might unknowingly write what interprets to a big donation.

One would hope.

What I see is maybe someone gets a lot of hugs > ooo > and kisses > xxx

 

[rambot]

Common Core is terrible (like most government designed stuff today). If you have kids in school, opt them out of it. Better if you can take them out of public schools altogether.
http://www.freedomworks.org/content/top-10-reasons-oppose-common-core
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...urbing-look-at-common-core-tests-in-new-york/

So you're telling me that Common Core was NOT designed by educational professionals at a higher learning institute? You think this is some silly Dept. of Education. development? Because htat's incorrect. The Dept of Education may support it; they may have signed ONTO it but they did not "design" it.

I appreciate you provide (and reiterate?) your opinion on common core. But, as I said, my teacher friends say that once you understand it, it's WAY better, easier and more functional.

This thread sounds a bit like belly aching codgers.

It's not hard to find links that support common core.
https://skeptoid.com/blog/2014/11/17/stop-hating-common-core-math/
http://phys.org/news/2015-09-opinion-common-core-today-math.html

 

[sahjimira]

What IS common core math..I couldn't see the check and couldn't open most of the articles. I don't have a clue. 3+4 is 7. So what would that b in common core?

 

[com7fy8]

I learned this the hard way thirty years ago when a check written for $25.00 zeroed my bank account because it had been encoded for $5000+.

I guess I don't know what encoding is. I just write the number amount and the worded amount, and I don't know of any coding.

 

[trunks2k]

What IS common core math..I couldn't see the check and couldn't open most of the articles. I don't have a clue. 3+4 is 7. So what would that b in common core?

It would still be that in common core. But in common core, you are likely going to learn additional concepts to expand on that. There's really not much to expand on with simple single digit addition, but when you get into harder concepts like multiple digit subtraction, they might teach you different methods.

For example, 123-78. You'd get taught the "normal" way to arrive at "45", but you may additionally be taught something like this:

78+2=80
80+20=100
100+20=120
120+3=123
2+20+20+3=45

This is one of those examples that gets passed around of how stupid common core math is. But if you think about it, it's really essentially just the way cashiers tend to count back change.

 

[NightHawkeye]

I guess I don't know what encoding is. I just write the number amount and the worded amount, and I don't know of any coding.

The coding was additional computer readable numbers stamped on the check. That has been replaced many places by electronic accounting which automatically debits one's account as soon as the amount is entered. Again though, the person entering the amount can make a significant mistake ... for whatever reason ... and that mistake will propagate unchecked through the entirety of the banking system.

 

[katautumn]

So you're telling me that Common Core was NOT designed by educational professionals at a higher learning institute?

No, silly! All good 'Mericans know that Commie Core was created by libruls who wanted to teach white students how to have white guilt and embrace homosexuality. #trump2016!

 

[beaverpond]

I was on our school board when common core went into effect and we put it into effect before the state mandated it to take effect, it was not due until 2013 here and it went in, in 2011. There were a total of four board members who were against putting this into effect so quickly as new things being put into place with common core before that the 2013 deadline, but the majority of the board wanted to get a jump on it and they figured the sooner the better. I found myself as one of four who disagreed and wanted to wait for all the materials and mandates to come out, even though I worked on the curriculum committee and voted against my own committee as did one other committee member...many could not believe two members from curriculum were voting against this measure.

At the time I had to work with my daughter who already struggled with language arts and math. This change over to common core was no easy transition for the teachers or the students because everything they have been taught up to this point, you now have to tell them they are not allowed to teach this way any longer and the kids now have to be retrained in their thinking of how they are to process this information and what is worse is dealing with the parents who have no clue what is going on when looking at what is sent home that are told to help their kids. The parents are not in the classroom with their children to see what is taking place all day and to help them. So what happens, kids come home try to do the home work, get frustrated because they don't understand it, kids try to explain what they thought they heard in class, parents try to help but what their kids are saying doesn't make sense, parents get frustrated because they only know the way they were taught so they work with their kids the methods they were taught, kids bring in home work for what is done, answers are correct, but how they came up with those answers for what the teacher wants is wrong in showing their work, so they only get partial credit...and this is just the math side of things.

I used to get this magazine at one time and I forget what it was called now because it was a while ago, but every month you were seeing at least two to three stories of how common core is not working in this state or that state ... or this school system or that school system all around the country. Most of the reasons I remember is that it requires all the students to be kept up at the same level as the other students...it leaves no wiggle room for those with learning disabilities, those with these types of issues either have to find a way of keeping up or repeating a grade or just falling further and further behind their fellow classmates because the teachers don't have time for them as they have to keep everybody else going as the school administrators want those lesson plans stuck to and met by certain dates regardless of how these students are doing. Then we have the standardized testing in the spring and fall and that really shows how the kids are doing from individually to school to district to state and you can see who ranks where at any given time.

We homeschool our now for many reasons, most have to with harassment of the school administration and her learning disabilities. Fortunately I am a certified teacher as well so she is getting what she needs and then some as she gets more than what the school would provide and we school her all year round. She may not like it much, but she will appreciate it more later on in life.

 

[pat34lee]

I appreciate you provide (and reiterate?) your opinion on common core. But, as I said, my teacher friends say that once you understand it, it's WAY better, easier and more functional.

Read the following and tell me how much easier and more function it is.

http://toprightnews.com/priceless-student-sums-common-core-math-idiocy-single-word/

http://dailycaller.com/2014/01/22/heres-another-impossibly-stupid-common-core-math-worksheet/

Real world results

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles...-trickle-in-states-still-ditching-common-core

 

[pat34lee]

78+2=80
80+20=100
100+20=120
120+3=123
2+20+20+3=45

This is one of those examples that gets passed around of how stupid common core math is. But if you think about it, it's really essentially just the way cashiers tend to count back change.

For all the complaining that teachers do about how there is already not enough time to teach the basics, THIS is a total waste of time, both in class and doing homework to learn.

 

[beaverpond]

I remember seeing something like this and the teacher saying show the work...here is the answer 8762 and the first part of the addition is ..3000..

..3000..
5762 = 8762

We were told this is right and wrong it is supposed to look like this

..3000..
3000
2000
700
60
2
=
8762

It got even more complicated when they made the total number equal ______ and then said use addition and subtraction to get to said number and they did supply some of the numbers and the kids had to figure out what the missing numbers were as well as the parents. The teachers said it was so easy. Many parents would say "of course it easy when you are sitting there with all the answers, you have no actual work to do." This angered many teachers, but when you are sitting there with the kids it is just as aggravating.

 

[keith99]

After checking several links I realized it is extremely likely the most common math thing that I saw criticized is criticized for the same reason things were criticized 50 years ago. And then as now teachers, students and parents all share the blame for a bad criticism.

The complaint is they are making something simple complicated and the complaint is sort of valid. The teachers fail to hammer that yes, for very simple instances it is more complicated, but we are starting with very simple cases to get the process down pat and then we will use it fro harder cases where it is easier.

The specific is their 'making 10' idea. Instead of using a memorized 6+7=13 they say make a ten, take 4 from the 7 and have a 3 left. Horribly complicating a simple addition, no doubt of that. But once the idea is learned and applied to the proper problem 1453-197 is easy 197 is just 3 short of 200, so subtract 200 and then add back 3. 1256.

Problem is taking a process out of context and stopping at the point where it seems extra work is pretty close to an outright lie.

Oh for those who want to know, the example from 50 years ago I that came to mind are the very first algebra word problems. Ones so simple they really are a simple division or subtraction. No need to formulate with an 'x'. But skip those problems and the ones complaining about them the loudest would be totally lost when they are given a problem worth setting up.

 

[katautumn]

Here's my only beef with Common Core - it's still a set standard of how much students are supposed to know, which is measured by standardized testing. I realized classrooms are overcrowded and teachers are underpaid, but students deserve better than cookie cutter standards that stifle their scholastic abilities and put teachers in a position of having to prep students for tests, rather than actually teach them. Common Core math, however, is good in the sense that even though it's confusing to those of us who learned the old way, it teaches students the "why" of mathematical equations, rather than simply memorizing figures. It bothers me when people claim it teaches "revisionist history" or "white guilt" or worse, "that 5+5 can equal anything you want it to and it's correct, just because you tried".

 

[iluvatar5150]

Read the following and tell me how much easier and more function it is.

http://toprightnews.com/priceless-student-sums-common-core-math-idiocy-single-word/

http://dailycaller.com/2014/01/22/heres-another-impossibly-stupid-common-core-math-worksheet/

Real world results

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles...-trickle-in-states-still-ditching-common-core

I see a lot of partisan whining. No instructions are going to make sense without an explanation of the terminology being used. Just because these instructions use unfamiliar jargon doesn't mean that they're bad or -even if they are bad- that the process itself is unsound.

 

[beaverpond]

Our school system never did it with a 5+5=anything you want because you tried...you are either correct or incorrect. Then it was pass or fail on that worksheet depending on the number of questions. However our state is moving in the direction of a number or letter grade system. For homeschooling we are using a number grade system.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Our school system never did it with a 5+5=anything you want because you tried...you are either correct or incorrect. Then it was pass or fail on that worksheet depending on the number of questions. However our state is moving in the direction of a number or letter grade system. For homeschooling we are using a number grade system.

If you never got past basic arithmetic, then no, you probably didn't get any points for understanding the process (or, as we called it, "showing your work"). But if you got anywhere beyond that, then yes, understanding the process absolutely did matter.

 

[keith99]

If you never got past basic arithmetic, then no, you probably didn't get any points for understanding the process (or, as we called it, "showing your work"). But if you got anywhere beyond that, then yes, understanding the process absolutely did matter.

Actually even in the basics knowing the right process was used matters.

It just happens 2 times 2 is equal to 2 plus 2. Sometimes one can be totally wrong and simply get lucky when it comes to the answer.

However there is a difference between using a flat out wrong method and using one that is mathematically valid but not the one taught. I'm generally opposed for taking off points for using the 'wrong' mathematically valid method.

 

[TLK Valentine]

The Common Core are national curriculum standards put out by the US Department of Education.

Actually they were instituted by a collection of state educators and school officials.

 

[seashale76]

Actually they were instituted by a collection of state educators and school officials.

Maybe so, but the US Department of Education was pushing this from the beginning. That's how it was actually presented to us in faculty meetings and professional development.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Maybe so, but the US Department of Education was pushing this from the beginning. That's how it was actually presented to us in faculty meetings and professional development.

The feds wanted a standard, as opposed to 50 little ones. What that standard actually became didn't come from the US dept. of education. That's how it was actually presented to us in faculty meetings and professional development.