Food for thought.

[Archaeopteryx]

The evidence would be the lack of evidence for how our universe came to exist.

You do recognise that this is a fallacious argument from ignorance?

 

[David Colin Gould]

• If there is a reason for everything, then what is the reason for that reason?
• For good and evil to require an explanation, good and evil would need to be shown to exist.
• "God" as an answer is not an explanation, as God often seems to be beyond the understanding of humans and something that we do not understand is not an explanation - it is just a more complicated way of saying, 'I don't know.'

 

[David Colin Gould]

And hello quatona, Eudamonist and others. This is a new identity for me, but it is David Gould. I could not reset my password for some reason.

 

[Chriliman]

I tend to agree. Of course, "explaining" here doesn´t mean what you think it means.

I appreciate your honesty. What if "explaining" doesn't mean what you think it means either. What if none of us are actually able to explain anything, what if this assumed eternal infinite God is the only one able to explain anything, since it created everything? Logically, this would make sense assuming this God exists.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I appreciate your honesty. What if "explaining" doesn't mean what you think it means either. What if none of us are actually able to explain anything, what if this assumed eternal infinite God is the only one able to explain anything, since it created everything? Logically, this would make sense assuming this God exists.

But you haven't given us any reason to assume that...

 

[Chriliman]

• If there is a reason for everything, then what is the reason for that reason?

The reason for everything would be because an eternal infinite God exists, therefore, all existence with a beginning came from this eternal existing God. The reason an eternal existing God exists, is to create and give life.

• For good and evil to require an explanation, good and evil would need to be shown to exist.

Do you know of people who have been killed unjustly? If so, how can you justify that as not evil?

Do you know of people who go out of there way and risk there lives to save others? If so, how can you justify that as not good?

• "God" as an answer is not an explanation, as God often seems to be beyond the understanding of humans and something that we do not understand is not an explanation - it is just a more complicated way of saying, 'I don't know.'

Assuming an eternal infinite God exists that created everything, then this God would be the source of all explanation that finite humans can understand.

 

[Chriliman]

But you haven't given us any reason to assume that...

The reason to assume is because everything can be explained when we assume an eternal infinite God exists. Obviously, explaining everything takes a lot of time, which would explain why this God created time.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

The reason to assume is because everything can be explained when we assume an eternal infinite God exists. Obviously, explaining everything takes a lot of time, which would explain why this God created time.

Again, you've simply asserted this, but you haven't done anything to establish its truth. As always, you simply assert that it "makes sense" and make no further effort to show that it does.

 

[quatona]

I appreciate your honesty. What if "explaining" doesn't mean what you think it means either.

I know what "explaining" means.

What if none of us are actually able to explain anything, what if this assumed eternal infinite God is the only one able to explain anything, since it created everything?

Would just substantiate that your hypothesis doesn´t explain anything.

Logically, this would make sense assuming this God exists.

Yes, that´s what I said: It´s an assumption, not an explanation.

 

[quatona]

And hello quatona, Eudamonist and others. This is a new identity for me, but it is David Gould. I could not reset my password for some reason.

Hey David! Good to see you - welcome back!

 

[Chriliman]

I know what "explaining" means.

Would just substantiate that your hypothesis doesn´t explain anything.

Yes, that´s what I said: It´s an assumption, not an explanation.

Actually I'm just assuming for your sake. I actually believe all this to be true because God has explained it to me in only the way God can. My only source of information has been internet searches on bible scripture and meanings of words and the Holy Spirit for wisdom.

How could I make sense of all this without going through years of schooling in philosophy? Maybe it's because anyone can have the truth because truth does not depend on man, but rather truth is God.

All of this makes sense to me which is why I rationaly believe it. It may not make sense to you now, but that doesn't mean it's not true and it doesn't mean it never will make sense to you.

God is patient for a reason.

 

[Chriliman]

Again, you've simply asserted this, but you haven't done anything to establish its truth. As always, you simply assert that it "makes sense" and make no further effort to show that it does.

Sorry, I can't force you to make sense of what I'm saying. You have to be open to the possibility that this is the only way to explain everything and if so then this is the only truth worth finding because there would be no other truth that could explain everything.

 

[Davian]

Sorry, I can't force you to make sense of what I'm saying. You have to be open to the possibility that this is the only way to explain everything and if so then this is the only truth worth finding because there would be no other truth that could explain everything.

How does "God did it" explain anything, if you cannot explain what "God" is?

 

[Chriliman]

How does "God did it" explain anything, if you cannot explain what "God" is?

It's more like God did it, is doing it and will do it, because God is timeless and eternal, but he can interact within time so that we can understand him, but we are limited to our finite selves, so we can never fully understand everything as God himself understands everything, but we can trust that he is perfect and wants us to have life with him forever, if we chose to accept the gift.

I'm sure you can understand how difficult it is to describe an eternal infinite God.

 

[quatona]

Actually I'm just assuming for your sake.

My statement was: It´s not an explanation, but an assumption (in response to your claim of explanatory power).
So you admit it´s not an explanation, but an assumption.
The rest of your post is deflection.

 

[David Colin Gould]

The reason for everything would be because an eternal infinite God exists, therefore, all existence with a beginning came from this eternal existing God. The reason an eternal existing God exists, is to create and give life.

What is the reason for the creation of life?

Do you know of people who have been killed unjustly? If so, how can you justify that as not evil?

Do you know of people who go out of there way and risk there lives to save others? If so, how can you justify that as not good?

Actions are undertaken by people. Other people assign value to those actions. Quite often, different people assign differing values - one set of people take actions that they assign a positive value to yet those same actions are assigned negative values by another set of people.

As an example, an ISIS fighter who risks his life to save another ISIS fighter. As a result of that fighter's actions, the two of them are able to succeed in their mission - the capture and execution of some Christians. Were that fighter's actions good? Evil? It depends on your viewpoint.

Assuming an eternal infinite God exists that created everything, then this God would be the source of all explanation that finite humans can understand.

'Why does the universe exist?'
'God'

In what way does that answer explain anything?

 

[Davian]

It's more like God did it, is doing it and will do it, because God is timeless and eternal,

How is something both timeless and temporal?

but he can interact within time so that we can understand him,

When has this happened?

but we are limited to our finite selves, so we can never fully understand everything

Not my problem.

as God himself understands everything, but we can trust that he is perfect and wants us to have life with him forever,

How do you know this?

if we chose to accept the gift.

Belief is not a conscious choice.

I'm sure you can understand how difficult it is to describe an eternal infinite God.

Not my problem.

Tell me how you connect this "timeless and eternal God" to the "God" that allegedly walked and talked in a garden that has no evidence of having existed, poofed people and animals into existence, and later, in a manner contrary to the modern understanding of genetics, populated the planet with a tiny group of individuals and animals that survived a global flood in an unbuildable boat, a flood that killed the dinosaurs in a manner that only *appears* to be 65 million years ago, because the Earth is really only somehow 6000 years old, yet remains, by every objective measure to date indistinguishable from nothing.

 

[Ana the Ist]

The reason to assume is because everything can be explained when we assume an eternal infinite God exists. Obviously, explaining everything takes a lot of time, which would explain why this God created time.

So basically,

Making up a reason for everything is a good reason to make up a reason for everything.

Congratulations. Your circle of logic is airtight.

 

[Davian]

Circular Reasoning Works Because Circular Reasoning Works

• Davian
• Jun 25, 2015

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Sorry, I can't force you to make sense of what I'm saying. You have to be open to the possibility that this is the only way to explain everything and if so then this is the only truth worth finding because there would be no other truth that could explain everything.

Don't blame me for your ineptitude.