Do you think Sabbath laws, and law in general are???

[Frogster]

Do you think that it is symptomatic of something when people are always about rules? In other words, according to basic psyche 101 , and the text, usually dogmatism means that there is an underlying problem, that means in the law case, the person has the opposite desires, other than the very law he or she vigorously promotes.

In other words, like the guy who is always trying to convince everyone that he is strong, is really masking his own insecurity. Who is he trying to convince but himself..

Is the dogmatic law promoter really just fighting himself through others? Are we really just hearing his or her own struggle, hearing the part that does not like the law?

Who is the law person projecting his inner turmoil or doubt on to?


Hmmmm....please mull that over, it makes sense..thanks!

 

[Frogster]

Haven't we seen the preacher who is always ranting about a certain sin, fall into the very thing he preached about?

What fuels the law?

The power of sin is that law 1 Cor 15:56, so really when we hear law promotion, isn't there a built in sin issue just by way of reflex?

 

[Frogster]

Could it be that the Sabbath keeper is secretly mad he can't mow the lawn, and do yard work on the Sabbath? So what does he/she do? Try to make it where no one else can have fun working on the Sabbath, because they can't. That is classic human behavior. The more one has shackles, the more one will want to shackle others, to reassure himself he is right, because then he is not alone, and does not want others to have the fun he/she secretly wishes they could have.

 

[Frogster]

Lets face it, do we ever hear about the joys of law? no, what do we hear?

You have to keep them!

So that must mean apparently, the person is under his own, "I have to keep them", it' not a joyus I love laws proclamation we hear, no, it's an "if I gotta keep em you gotta keep em!"

So out of the mouth, the Sabbath keeper speaketh..and revealeth too....he is not really loving law, he is a servant of law, Paul called it slavery, most slaves are not happy.

Why the fight? If he/she were happy, he would have a happy message about living in a rule book, but the person does not convey law joy at all, so they are not even getting anywhere, because after all, who wants to be in law shackles along with the preacher of law?

 

[Poster0]

Do you think that it is symptomatic of something when people are always about rules? In other words, according to basic psyche 101 , and the text, usually dogmatism means that there is an underlying problem, that means in the law case, the person has the opposite desires, other than the very law he or she vigorously promotes.

In other words, like the guy who is always trying to convince everyone that he is strong, is really masking his own insecurity. Who is he trying to convince but himself..

Is the dogmatic law promoter really just fighting himself through others? Are we really just hearing his or her own struggle, hearing the part that does not like the law?

Who is the law person projecting his inner turmoil or doubt on to?


Hmmmm....please mull that over, it makes sense..thanks!

Apply that same logic to your own preaching and see what comes out. Perhaps a person who is always talking about grace verses the law is secretly fallen from grace themselves? Paul didn't seem to mind preaching a little law himself you know. Sure he was all about grace but he sure didnt spare words on teaching love, and he sure didnt neglect to teach the rules either.

Ask yourself this. How much time do you spend talking about love? Paul was always preaching love. How about the rules that paul gave us, i.e. the do's and dont's? How much time do you spend preaching those things?

 

[Frogster]

Apply that same logic to your own preaching and see what comes out. Perhaps a person who is always talking about grace verses the law is secretly fallen from grace themselves? Paul didn't seem to mind preaching a little law himself you know. Sure he was all about grace but he sure didnt spare words on teaching love, and he sure didnt neglect to teach the rules either.

Ask yourself this. How much time do you spend talking about love? Paul was always preaching love. How about the rules that paul gave us, i.e. the do's and dont's? How much time do you spend preaching those things?

Grace is joyus!

The law person does not want to see a happy person working on the Sabbath, but the grace person does..

There ya go...

Now, please feel free to challenge my insights...

Why are the law people in the "I gotta do it, so do you"!?

 

[Frogster]

It is easy to stumble a law person, but a grace person says, go mow the law, you are allowed to enjoy yourself, but the law person can't, because he can't. Small begets small. These are facts.

The law is persecutory, grace is not

 

[Poster0]

Grace is joyus!

The law person does not want to see a happy person working on the Sabbath, but the grace person does..

There ya go...

Now, please feel free to challenge my insights...

Why are the law people in the "I gotta do it, so do you"!?

I guess they think they must promote Gods will, the same as you think as well. I wasnt really responding to the Sabbath rule, but i was instead responding to what you said about rules in general. Whats wrong with rules? The Lord and the apostles felt rules were very necessary to our spirituality.

Do you think that it is symptomatic of something when people are always about rules?

 

[Frogster]

Law hunts down men, to punish, grace lifts up men to be forgiven. but the hunters never want to hunt themselves...lol!

 

[Frogster]

I guess they think they must promote Gods will, the same as you think as well. I wasnt really responding to the Sabbath rule, but i was instead responding to what you said about rules in general. Whats wrong with rules? The Lord and the apostles felt they were very necessary to our spirituality.

My puppy obeys rules, he is trained, so what does that make him?

I mean gosh, if a puppy can keep rules, how exciting is that? Is the goal in life to be like my puppy?

 

[Frogster]

The gospel of grace is good news, so the true lover of grace wants to spread grace, he is of the gospel, looking to set men free, where the law people look to condemn, they have to, that is what law does, so again, that is why there are never happy law threads..lol!

Sure my puppy obeys, but only because he has to, I hope Christians are on a higher level than puppies are.

 

[Poster0]

My puppy obeys rules, he is trained, so what does that make him?

I mean gosh, if a puppy can keep rules, how exciting is that? Is the goal in life to be like my puppy?

I love those rules and im no puppy. Those rules guide me away from folly (if only i would heed them more) they teach me wisdom, reverence for God, and about love. They guide my every thought and action, although im so far from perfect at following them.

I'm all about grace and rules working together. I like the whole truth. In John 14 the Lord promised that the spirit of truth would guide us, and that the spirit would teach us all things and remind us of everything that He spoke in his words, which are recorded in scripture of course. Those words include the words of the apostles as well, because he sent them to teach us, so their words are His words. So naturally i would follow the rules that the spirit reminds me of.

The bible says that out of our heart we speak. Naturally a person who has Christ in their heart will speak all things that He and His apostles taught us. They will be speaking of Grace, love, righteousness, Godliness, Holiness, perseverance, bearing our own cross, enduring hardship and praying always with thanksgiving. They will talk about being content with food and clothing, not desiring riches, looking toward heavenly things instead of earthly things, being aware of false teachers and the worldly wisdom of worldly men.

 

[Poster0]

The gospel of grace is good news, so the true lover of grace wants to spread grace, he is of the gospel, looking to set men free, where the law people look to condemn, they have to, that is what law does, so again, that is why there are never happy law threads..lol!

Sure my puppy obeys, but only because he has to, I hope Christians are on a higher level than puppies are.

I obey because i know its wrong not to, and that its right to obey. Its the path of wisdom and life. It doesn't grieve me to obey God but instead it makes me very happy when i find that i obeyed him. My heart is edified and joyous. However i am grieved when i don't obey him. Its not grievous to obey Gods rules, but its grievous not to obey.

 

[Frogster]

welp

I love those rules and im no puppy. Those rules guide me away from folly (if only i would heed them more) they teach me wisdom, reverence for God, and about love. They guide my every thought and action, although im so far from perfect at following them.

I'm all about grace and rules working together. I like the whole truth. In John 14 the Lord promised that the spirit of truth would guide us, and that the spirit would teach us all things and remind us of everything that He spoke in his words, which are recorded in scripture of course. Those words include the words of the apostles as well, because he sent them to teach us, so their words are His words.

The bible says that out of our heart we speak. Naturally a person who has Christ in their heart will speak all things that He and His apostles taught us. They will be speaking of Grace, love, righteousness, Godliness, Holiness, perseverance, bearing our own cross, enduring hardship and praying always with thanksgiving. They will talk about being content with food and clothing, not desiring riches, looking toward heavenly things instead of earthly things, being aware of false teachers and the worldly wisdom of worldly men.

there was the elemental, that is for the immature, Paul said we were as children under law in Gal 4:3, he said in 4:1, the heir is a child. Gal 3, they were under strict pedagogues under law. So we have the transcendant, and the base puppy life, I prefer to be on the high end of the doctrine, I left puppyhood.

Grace says your loved, law says you are not, you have faults, it by nature belittles.

But again, back to our Sabbath keeper. Isn't it true that maybe he wishes he could have fun on the Sabbath? But the book says no!

 

[Frogster]

I obey because i know its wrong not to, and that its right to obey. Its the path of wisdom and life. It doesn't grieve me to obey God but instead it makes me very happy when i find that i obeyed him. My heart is edified and joyous. However i am grieved when i don't obey him. Its not grievous to obey Gods rules, but its grievous not to obey.

But there is the "must" in obeying, isn't there? In the end, your obeying is central, where in grace what He did for us is central. Law is man centered, grace is Christ centered.

 

[Poster0]

welp

there was the elemental, that is for the immature, Paul said we were as children under law in Gal 4:3, he said in 4:1, the heir is a child. Gal 3, they were under strict pedagogues under law. So we have the transcendant, and the base puppy life, I prefer to be on the high end of the doctrine, I left puppyhood.

Grace says your loved, law says you are not, you have faults, it by nature belittles.

But again, back to our Sabbath keeper. Isn't it true that maybe he wishes he could have fun on the Sabbath? But the book says no!

Yes we are under the spirit not law. However the spirit teaches us all things and reminds of all the things that Christ and his apostles teach us. That's the mature way that you are speaking of. The holy spirit teacher reminds us of all the commands we are given. Therefore those rules are not for the immature christian but instead they are in fact for the mature spiritual person who follows the spirit. An immature, carnal Christian needs a human teacher, a spiritual one does not. A spiritual person needs no teacher, denomination, faith movement or even a prophet, healer, or anything. He has the greatest prophet and teacher within himself already, and needs no man to judge or teach him anything.

 

[Poster0]

But there is the "must" in obeying, isn't there? In the end, your obeying is central, where in grace what He did for us is central. Law is man centered, grace is Christ centered.

Christ leads me and its he who works these things. To be grieved when we sin is very spiritual, and likewise to be joyful when we overcome sin is very spiritual as well. Who are you trying to convince? Me or yourself? Im not concerned with the opinions of others anymore. I once was but no more. I follow the Lord, not the opinions of others.

 

[Meowzltov]

In other words, like the guy who is always trying to convince everyone that he is strong, is really masking his own insecurity. Who is he trying to convince but himself..

So... maybe the guy who is always arguing against the rules is fighting against his suppressed desire to obey them.

 

[Poster0]

I once was worried about what church i should join, and about things like healing as well. Since then i have found that denominations dont matter, and neither does healing. If i get healed then i do, if not then it doesnt matter because God has already opened my blind spiritual eyes and now i see that this world is not my home, and this body is only temporary. Im happy and content, and i know the Lord is with me.

Just my opinion. Thanks and have a nice day.

 

[Meowzltov]

according to basic psyche 101

psychology only claims this is true in some cases. not in most cases.