Why do some believers of Christ feel the bible is withou error?

[americanvet]

An interpretation of 2 Timothy 3:16-17, but probably closer to this author's intent than what was suggested earlier.

I absolutely know where the misunderstanding comes from. However, reading beliefs into a verse that aren't there does not make them true. But thank you for your help!

 

[smaneck]

According to dictionary definitions, inerrancy means infallibility:

But inspiration does not.

 

[smaneck]

However, reading beliefs into a verse that aren't there does not make them true.

Yep, yep.

 

[americanvet]

Being that “proof” has been listed as the belief of selected person I offer proofs held by major churches (aka millions/thousands of persons). If a person’s belief is “proof” surely a belief held by a major church is then even more “proof”.

Church: United Methodist
Source: http://archives.umc.org/interior.asp?ptid=1&mid=1649
Statement: “The Holy Scripture containeth all things necessary to salvation; so that whatsoever is not read therein, nor may be proved thereby, is not to be required of any man that it should be believed as an article of faith, or be thought requisite or necessary to salvation. In the name of the Holy Scripture we do understand those canonical books of the Old and New Testament of whose authority was never any doubt in the church.”

Church: The Episcopal Church USA
Source: http://www.episcopalchurch.org/library/glossary/bible
Statement: Holy Scriptures of the OT and NT, written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, containing all things necessary to salvation. The OT reveals God's mighty acts in creation, the deliverance of the people of Israel from bondage in Egypt, and the making of the old covenant with the chosen people. God's saving will for his people is made known in the OT through the gift of the Law in the Ten Commandments and through the witness of the prophets. The OT is also known as the "Hebrew Scriptures." The NT describes the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ, the Messiah, whose coming was foretold in the OT. It also tells the story of the creation of the Christian church through the gift of the Holy Spirit and presents the new covenant, based on love, which is the new relationship with God given by Jesus Christ to all who believe in him. (BCP, pp. 850-851).”

Church: Evangelical Lutheran Church in America
Source: http://www.elca.org/en/Faith/ELCA-Teaching/Scripture-Creeds-Confessions
The statement is too long to post here. However, there is not one mention of irreancy being the belief of the church.

Church: Cooperative Baptist Fellowship
***note*** (as Baptist churches are independent by their nature this is only the statement of the voluntary fellowship and does not have to be accepted by the member churches.)
Source: http://www.cbf.net/core-values/
Statement: “We believe in the authority of Scripture. We believe the Bible, under the Lordship of Christ, is central to the life of the individual and the church. We affirm the freedom and right of every Christian to interpret and apply scripture under the leadership of the Holy Spirit.”

What we can gather is that all Christian churches hold great respect for the Bible and acknowledge it is from God and contains all that is needed for salvation. What isn’t a fact, but is only an opinion of some, is Biblical innerancy. Biblical inspiration is what we all agree upon.

I am not saying the Bible isn’t inerrant. What I’m saying is I don’t know if it is and it does not claim to be.

 

[smaneck]

Would you please learn to write in discernible paragraphs so that your writing is made easier to follow.

What he wrote was a single, grammatical paragraph that expressed eloquently what he had to say without cutting and pasting other people's ideas.

Paragraphs end when the subject changes.

Your language, 'I do not think God gave us a history book', amounts to nothing more than your personal opinion.

Whereas you posted everyone else's opinion.

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What is important is the Bible's description of its own nature. That's what I've been trying to discuss.

Then why are you quoting everyone's opinion but the Bible?

AmericanVet is making more sense than anyone here. He keeps it up he make take Via Crucis "most reasonable Christian" trophy away.

 

[smaneck]

Being that “proof” has been listed as the belief of selected person I offer proofs held by major churches (aka millions/thousands of persons).

Hey, you forgot the Catholics. That brings your figure up to more than a billion.

 

[americanvet]

Hey, you forgot the Catholics. That brings your figure up to more than a billion.

What can I say I tried sticking with protestant denominations.

Not that there is anything wrong with being RC.

 

[OzSpen]

But inspiration does not.

You and I are never going to come to an understanding of the biblical meaning of inerrancy because of your commitment to another religion, Baha'i.

 

[OzSpen]

What he wrote was a single, grammatical paragraph that expressed eloquently what he had to say without cutting and pasting other people's ideas.

Paragraphs end when the subject changes.

Lengthy paragraphs of the nature he wrote do not facilitate readability. Have you ever read the short paragraphs of a newspaper in print or online? They are used because short paragraphs help to hold a person's attention.

I was simply making a suggestion to help my comprehension. I don't want to be bored by his method of writing.

Isn't it OK to make such a simple suggestion?

Oz

 

[Job8]

All the Bible affirms is inspiration. The rest is just your own concept.

So if I were to back up everything with supporting Scriptures, would you simply dismiss them? Or do you have a limited idea of the doctrine of Scripture?

The Lord Jesus Christ Himself affirmed the inspiration, inerrancy, and infallibility of Scripture. Study the Gospels.

 

[smaneck]

You and I are never going to come to an understanding of the biblical meaning of inerrancy because of your commitment to another religion, Baha'i.

Except what I believe about the Bible now is basically the same as what I believed about the Bible as a Christian. And it is also what my academic training has shown to be true.

 

[smaneck]

So if I were to back up everything with supporting Scriptures, would you simply dismiss them?

Just show me where the words infallibility and inerrancy appear in the Bible and we will be done.

 

[smaneck]

Lengthy paragraphs of the nature he wrote do not facilitate readability.

I had no trouble reading his paragraph whatsoever.

Have you ever read the short paragraphs of a newspaper in print or online? They are used because short paragraphs help to hold a person's attention.

Yes, they were intended to hold the attention of semi-literates. But it certainly isn't good style.

I was simply making a suggestion to help my comprehension. I don't want to be bored by his method of writing.

Isn't it OK to make such a simple suggestion?

Not in such an insulting and dismissive manner.

 

[OzSpen]

Except what I believe about the Bible now is basically the same as what I believed about the Bible as a Christian. And it is also what my academic training has shown to be true.

And my PhD training, from a variety of colleges, seminary and universities, has taught me to affirm the inerrancy of Scripture. Two universities were quite hostile to any kind of affirmation of the authority of Scripture, including inerrancy.

Nevertheless, we are not going to agree on a conclusion because our worldviews are different.

Oz

 

[OzSpen]

I had no trouble reading his paragraph whatsoever.

Yes, they were intended to hold the attention of semi-literates. But it certainly isn't good style.

Not in such an insulting and dismissive manner.

It was designed to be helpful. But to insinuate that I am one of the 'semi-literates' isn't conducive to building a positive relationship with me. I can assure you that the simple style of a newspaper will attract more readers than a long drawn out paragraph. I happen to have had experience in the mass media as a journalist and copywriter.

'Insulting and dismissive' is hardly an accurate way to describe how I kindly encouraged this poster to write in shorter paragraphs.

 

[smaneck]

And my PhD training, from a variety of colleges, seminary and universities, has taught me to affirm the inerrancy of Scripture.

You got PhD training at various colleges? Do they allow that in Australia? Here you are pretty much expected to do all your PhD work in one place. So who awarded you your PhD finally?

 

[OzSpen]

Just show me where the words infallibility and inerrancy appear in the Bible and we will be done.

That's an unfair request. It does not deal with the exact words of infallibility/inerrancy (they are synonyms) but to provide evidence of where that teaching is found in Scripture.

See my article, The Bible’s support for inerrancy of the originals. This is only a starter for evidence.

Oz

 

[smaneck]

'Insulting and dismissive' is hardly an accurate way to describe how I kindly encouraged this poster to write in shorter paragraphs.

I doubt if he saw it as 'encouraging.' It was not that long of a paragraph to begin with.

 

[smaneck]

That's an unfair request.

You mean because the words aren't found there?

 

[OzSpen]

So if I were to back up everything with supporting Scriptures, would you simply dismiss them? Or do you have a limited idea of the doctrine of Scripture?

The Lord Jesus Christ Himself affirmed the inspiration, inerrancy, and infallibility of Scripture. Study the Gospels.

Job8,

See 'Proof inerrancy is historical/biblical'. This provides a load of historical and biblical evidence in support of the biblical doctrine of inerrancy/infallibility.

It is based on Biblical Inerrancy: The Historical Evidence by Norman Geisler (Matthews, NC: Bastion Books, 2013). There is plenty of historical and biblical evidence but those who have a worldview opposed to biblical Christianity are not ready to accept this evidence.

I'm not holding my breath waiting.

Oz