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[Davian]

Our original discussion was about subjective personal choice of various beliefs not "free will". You simply moved the goalposts to suit yourself.

That you cannot reach those goalposts is not indicative of their movement. They are all back there, should you wish to make another attempt.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

I reject your Electric Universe crackpottery because science falsifies it. For example, the Cathode Sun championed by the EU community should fry astronauts with the massive amounts of radiation that it produces:

"In the 'solar cathode' electric sun model, radiation exposure at the orbit of Earth is 38,000 rads in one hour!"
http://dealingwithcreationisminastr...2/09/death-by-electric-universe-ii-solar.html

Based upon your incorrect beliefs of the voltage required - from people that do not even understand what Voyager discovered - because they too lack any knowledge of electricity.

http://electric-cosmos.org/SolarElecFlux2013.pdf

So because you actually refuse to accept the science - and do not even understand it to begin with - you of course like those blog sites (versus the scientific evidence) fail to understand anything about the EU theory.

 

[Michael]

It has been millennia. Ben Franklin's demystification of lightning is one of the more modern examples. Lightning was seen as a manifestation of the supernatural in the natural world. Only recently have some theists invented an undetectable supernatural realm where they can protect their beliefs from questions.

Ya, it's called "Lambda-CDM". Inflation and dark energy and the space expansion deity are more impotent on Earth than an average supernatural concept of God.

 

[Michael]

That you cannot reach those goalposts is not indicative of their movement. They are all back there, should you wish to make another attempt.

Show me when and where you slipped in the term "free will'?

 

[Justatruthseeker]

It's painfully clear based on the online debates that I've had over the past decade that the mainstream doesn't have a clue about plasma physics. As a result they fill every gap in their understanding with "made up" ad hoc gap filler. It's more than a little sad that they continue to peddle a concept that Alfven himself called "pseudoscience" and which he made obsolete with his double layer paper over 30 years ago. The ignorance of the mainstream knows no bounds, hence their ridiculous need for 95 percent supernatural invisible gap filler.

Has nothing to do with ignorance. They know, they simply reject it because it would require them to admit that the beliefs they have held for close to 100 years are wrong - and they would have to become students again in a new paradigm - instead of the experts they claim to be.

 

[Michael]

Based upon your incorrect beliefs of the voltage required - from people that do not even understand what Voyager discovered - because they too lack any knowledge of electricity.

FYI, Bridgman not only misrepresented the whole cathode solar model as Juergen's (anode) model, he blatantly misrepresented the difference between an *internally* powered solar model and an externally powered solar model. Talk about ignorance. He's not even honest about the stuff he's complaining about because he simply doesn't understand it to start with!

Alfven's "electric sun" (homopolar generator) model was internally powered. Birkeland's cathode solar model was internally powered too. Bridgman's calculations would only actually apply to Juergen's externally powered anode solar model. Bridgman is clueless about the theories he's criticizing, and he's not the least bit interested in the truth or he'd fix his mistakes.

 

[Michael]

Has nothing to do with ignorance. They know, they simply reject it because it would require them to admit that the beliefs they have held for close to 100 years are wrong - and they would have to become students again in a new paradigm - instead of the experts they claim to be.

I'm not so sure. I've sat in at a couple of solar physics meetings at LMSAL. They actually seem to believe their pseudoscience with respect to solar physics in spite of Alfven's criticisms of "reconnection" theory. The really don't understand the first thing about electric solar models, as Bridgman so eloquently demonstrates.

 

[Davian]

Their "guestimation" of the amount of ordinary baryonic matter that was present in 2006 was shown to be flawed in numerous ways:

http://thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=15850&sid=d4a722fb33becd41409cf30654280573

But you go right ahead and pretend it never happened, just like the mainstream pretends that it never happened.

Do you not have a science-based forum that you can cite?

You still don't apparently understand the concept of panentheism or pantheism. In both theories God not only shows up in the lab, God is the lab.

The Christian God is your lab? What are you not telling everyone about this?

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[Justatruthseeker]

According to the hypothesis you present to us in support of your claims.

Let's test that. God is that invisible energy that all things are made of and which exists in all things. With neither a beginning or an end, but eternal. That same energy which makes your consciousness possible.

So you can test that theory and discover if all things are made from energy and contain energy and transform back to energy when it ceases to exist. You can test that theory by the same belief science has about it, that it has no beginning nor an end, but is eternal. You can test that theory by understanding everything made - including that image we were made in. And no image can be made of God because no image can be conceived of for consciousness (mind). What makes you, you, is your thoughts - which since consciousness is the image we were made in - no image can be conceived for it.

So let's test that theory against the known sciences shall we?

 

[Justatruthseeker]

I'm not so sure. I've sat in at a couple of solar physics meetings at LMSAL. They actually seem to believe their pseudoscience with respect to solar physics in spite of Alfven's criticisms of "reconnection" theory. The really don't understand the first thing about electric solar models, as Bridgman so eloquently demonstrates.

But it's not lack of knowledge from ignorance - but a deliberate refusal to give up their known Fairie Dust for the unknown to them electrical and plasma sciences. They would have to abandon a lifetimes worth of useless belief and start all over again as students. They are not going to do this so will continue until all the old ego bound diehards finally die out and a new thought can come in.

 

[Davian]

Their "monuments" are simply made of metal and glass instead of granite. So what?

Scroll back to the bit about astronomers lobbying to have granite monuments installed in state buildings.

Having fun putting (false) words in my mouth today?

Did you say ""I just don't personally know how to falsify the idea yet"? Yes or no?

Nope. I provided you published papers that demonstrate the electrical nature of the universe, along with mass layouts that functionally and physically resemble intelligent structures on Earth.

Ah, the pictures of Bigfoot on Mars. I do recall those.

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It's a pity that's been your experience, but you can only speak for yourself on that score.

You have failed to provide even one name, one individual, that can demonstrate that their experiences are anything but imagined.

What you "see as flaws" is your subjective *choice* in the matter! Get it?

No. I know Santa is a fabrication, but that does not stop me from believing in him.

 

[Davian]

Show me when and where you slipped in the term "free will'?

Now who is moving the goalposts?

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Do you not have a science-based forum that you can cite?

The Christian God is your lab? What are you not telling everyone about this?

Why? You will just ignore the science.

http://www.plasma-universe.com/Galaxy_formation

http://www.plasma-universe.com/Plasma_Universe_/_Big_Bang_comparison

 

[Michael]

Do you not have a science-based forum that you can cite?

Er, you mean besides this one? Why exactly is a "science-based forum" necessary to produce published papers?

The Christian God is your lab? What are you not telling everyone about this?

I don't know. What am I not telling them?

 

[Davian]

Why? You will just ignore the science.

http://www.plasma-universe.com/Galaxy_formation

http://www.plasma-universe.com/Plasma_Universe_/_Big_Bang_comparison

What have those links to do with the Christian God?

 

[Michael]

But it's not lack of knowledge from ignorance - but a deliberate refusal to give up their known Fairie Dust for the unknown to them electrical and plasma sciences. They would have to abandon a lifetimes worth of useless belief and start all over again as students. They are not going to do this so will continue until all the old ego bound diehards finally die out and a new thought can come in.

Max Planck said it best:

“A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it.”

“Science advances one funeral at a time.”

“New scientific ideas never spring from a communal body, however organized, but rather from the head of an individually inspired researcher who struggles with his problems in lonely thought and unites all his thought on one single point which is his whole world for the moment.”

In the realm of solar physics, the mainstream is still more than 100 years behind Birkeland.

 

[Michael]

What have those links to do with the Christian God?

You really don't grasp the whole concepts of monotheism and panentheism, do you?

 

[Davian]

Er, you mean besides this one? Why exactly is a "science-based forum" necessary to produce publish papers?

Only if you were looking to establish some scientific credibility.

I don't know. What am I not telling them?

I don't know. No one else on this site seems to know that your lab is the Christian God. Should you not make some noise about that?

 

[Michael]

Now who is moving the goalposts?

You. We started with conscious choice. You moved the goal posts to "free will".

 

[Michael]

Scroll back to the bit about astronomers lobbying to have granite monuments installed in state buildings.

They're still using my tax dollars to build monuments to their invisible, impotent on Earth sky deities. They still teach their supernatural nonsense to unsuspecting students in the classroom too. That's worse.

Did you say ""I just don't personally know how to falsify the idea yet"? Yes or no?

Yes. So? I don't know how to falsify every dark matter theory, every inflation theory, every dark energy theory, or even the basic claim that 'space expansion' is a 'cause' of photon redshift. Even if I don't know how to do it, it doesn't mean that it cannot be done. Even the whole 'dark energy' claim seems to "falling apart" based on the revelation that "standard candles" aren't actually 'standard' as they claimed, but even that knowledge doesn't seem to matter to them one iota in terms of falsifying their original claims.

Even if I can't think of a way to do it, it doesn't mean that it cannot be done.

Ah, the pictures of Bigfoot on Mars. I do recall those.

And you conveniently ignore the fact that pattern recognition is a staple of 'science'

You have failed to provide even one name, one individual, that can demonstrate that their experiences are anything but imagined.

Demonstrate in what exact way? Empirically? Care to empirically demonstrate that 'space expansion" isn't an imaginary process? Inflation?

No. I know Santa is a fabrication, but that does not stop me from believing in him.

Rather an ironic comment since even that idea has actual empirical roots.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Nicholas