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[Davian]

Jesus said:"I am the way, the truth and life. No one comes to the father except through Me."

As a sales pitch, it would certainly be more effective that "I think I am the way, I believe I have the truth, etc...."

What that means would be subject to definition, interpretation, and so on. He is required to be 100% pure truth.

Why then am I surprised when I encounter two religionists that have comparable interpretations of the Bible?

There can be no error in the Bible even if our interpretation is not accurate.

The bible will always be subject to interpretation - so you are saying there will always be error.

So you can not trust or depend on me. You can trust and depend on Jesus.

I cannot place trust in what I see as only a character in a book.

 

[Davian]

That is a start. We come into this world knowing nothing. So at least you have learned that you can read about God in a book.

And fairies. Bigfoot. Extraterrestrial aliens. The Bermuda triangle. Crop circles...

 

[Davian]

The evolutionary complexity of the cosmos from hydrogen of the Big Bang to helium to the fire of the stars which gave birth to other sequences of transformation than to planets and the earth which birthed its biosphere which birth consciousness than birthed self-consciousness, seems to be free of entropy. I'm wondering what self-consciousness will evolve into.

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Seems? I asked, Do you think that perpetual machines are possible, that we can have things that are free of entropy? Yes or no?

 

[Davian]

From what I have been told there are people that were raised in church and their aggressive attitude somehow comes out of that.

I was not raised in church, and have never had any god beliefs.

 

[dlamberth]

The "historical Jesus" argument does not establish his alleged divinity.

He was just an apocalyptic preacher, an otherwise normal human being, no magic, or he was myth. Those are the two options you would have me pick from?

What I get from Jesus is not so much the man more than it is the Light of Christ that I see AND experience as shining through the whole of the cosmos. That's my pick. So I see the man named Jesus put on the cross and Christ rising from it, if that makes any sense.

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[dlamberth]

Seems? I asked, Do you think that perpetual machines are possible, that we can have things that are free of entropy? Yes or no?

My answer, yes. I gave you were I thought the possibility of perpetual machines are possible. Maybe another way of putting it would be the trajectory of the evolutionary machine of the universe.

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[Smidlee]

That Jesus was a real man, and his divinity the fiction?. I now see the how your horse-unicorn analogy works.

A counterfeit Christ would be an anti-Christ. The fantasy unicorn is nothing but a horse with a horn. A real unicorn in a one horned rhino. Here is a picture of a real unicorn.

 

[dlamberth]

I find myself skeptical of claims that cannot be shown to comport with reality.

I think it depends upon what reality one is using. I know for certain that my reality differs from your reality. So I find myself being cautiously open minded.

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[ScottA]

Contrived, implying artificial or unrealistic? Just not in any way that you can demonstrate?

Apparently, you are limited to unevidenced assertions.

I cannot see what you have only imagined.

You are not claiming that I cannot see something, but that mainstream science is wrong. Is that not more accurate?

Who is this "we" that you speak for?

Then I see no reason to believe you.

I do not see not believing every unevidenced claim that is trotted through these forums as a shortcoming, thanks. You have that same shortcoming, do you not? You don't believe in every god/alien/Bigfoot/Loch Ness monster story you are told, do you?

So you assert.

How do you know what I think? Did you buy that cheap mind-reading apparatus that was on sale down at Walmart?

Insisting that I accept your opinions as fact is arrogance. But let's keep in mind that this is a science forum, and not the Exploring Christianity forum.

Don't bring unevidenced assertions to a science forum.

But I can only work with that you give me, and that has been pretty thin indeed.

Your unevidenced religious assertions? Not particularly.

1. I bring "Life" to a Science & Life forum.
2. I bring "assertions" and you bring nothing more, assertions also. Nothing that science can bring to the table is anything more than evidence defined by science (assertions). I do the same, as defined by the Spirit. You have your world, we have ours. But I share yours with you, and thought you may want to share. I just wish you had more to bring to the table. I bring information (talk) from two worlds, you only bring one...and its incomplete.

 

[joshua 1 9]

I cannot place trust in what I see as only a character in a book.

If that is what you see then maybe you need to get your spiritual eyes fixed.

 

[Davian]

My answer, yes. I gave you were I thought the possibility of perpetual machines are possible. Maybe another way of putting it would be the trajectory of the evolutionary machine of the universe.

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Historically, perpetual motion machines have been devices designed to remove money from the wallets of investors.

I am not buying in to any perpetual motions machine schemes, thanks.

 

[dlamberth]

I am not buying in to any perpetual motions machine schemes, thanks.

No need to buy one because you are a intimately tied to one called "evolution".

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[Davian]

A counterfeit Christ would be an anti-Christ.

No, opposite is not counterfeit.

The fantasy unicorn is nothing but a horse with a horn.

A fantasy preacher is just a guy with a book.

A real unicorn in a one horned rhino. Here is a picture of a real unicorn.

No, that is not a real unicorn. but your horse-unicorn analogy works for me.

And you do entertain.

 

[Davian]

I think it depends upon what reality one is using. I know for certain that my reality differs from your reality. So I find myself being cautiously open minded.

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Can you demonstrate how your "reality" differs?

 

[Davian]

I bring "Life" to a Science & Life forum.

"lulz" would be more accurate.

I bring "assertions"

Yes, that has been established. You do assert quite a bit.

and you bring nothing more,

I am not here to promote my beliefs, or champion science. The floor is yours to make your case, or fail to do so.

assertions also.

Assertions, only.

Nothing that science can bring to the table is anything more than evidence defined by science (assertions).

...says the guy using a computer to post on an internet forum server.

I do the same, as defined by the Spirit.

What is a "spirit"?

You have your world, we have ours.

Who is this "we" that you claim to speak for?

But I share yours with you, and thought you may want to share. I just wish you had more to bring to the table.

I am not here to promote my beliefs, or champion science. Again, the floor is yours to make your case, or fail to do so.

I bring information (talk) from two worlds,

So you assert.

you only bring one...

If anyone can show that there is more than one reality, go for it.

and its incomplete.

So you assert.

Really, do you have anything of significance?

 

[dlamberth]

Can you demonstrate how your "reality" differs?

Everywhere I look, there the Divine Presence is. I don't believe that's the same for you. We have different realities.

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[Davian]

If that is what you see then maybe you need to get your spiritual eyes fixed.

How does that work? Will I then also be able to see Bigfoot? Reptilian humanoids? Extraterrestrial aliens? Nessy?

 

[Davian]

No need to buy one because you are a intimately tied to one called "evolution".

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How so?

 

[Davian]

Everywhere I look, there the Divine Presence is. I don't believe that's the same for you. We have different realities.

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Is that a "no" then?

 

[joshua 1 9]

How does that work? Will I then also be able to see Bigfoot? Reptilian humanoids? Extraterrestrial aliens? Nessy?

We can show you the loc nest monster. Turns out it was a very big cat fish.