God using your pain to help others

[janny108]

I read a devotion about how God can use the pains in your life. Can anyone share how God has used the pains in your life to help others?

 

[brinny]

He DOES, dear heart. I used to suffer from horrendous panic/anxiety attacks, for example. He eventually healed me of them, and it wasn't till then that i realized why i suffered from them. And it was later, in my role as a Crisis Counselor that i was able to recognize, zero-in on, and ease the anxiety of a woman who had a history of serious heart trouble, and was experiencing an anxiety attack on top of her heart symptoms flaring up. I was able to calm her, slow her breathing and calm her until the ambulance arrived. It was then that i was thankful that God allowed me to suffer with these attacks because i was able to minister to a dear soul who was experiencing one.

It is written that He saves every tear of ours in a bottle. He is very close to broken hearted, those crushed in spirit, and suffering in various ways. He is the God of ALL Comfort, and our Healer. He is our Counselor, and our Great High Priest, Who ADVOCATES for us in the Father's presence.

He knows all of our heartaches and physical sufferings, and He DOES grow beauty from what seems like ashes.

God bless you.

 

[janny108]

I was asking this because I am considering involvement with my church and they have a program of helping people with addictions. I used to be into porn, the female kind. I was thinking of getting involved this way b/c nothing else in the church seems to interest me, ie video room, greeter, bookstore, coffee shop. I am somewhat of a deep thinker. thanks for sharing, Brinny, that is awesome!!

 

[janny108]

I was asking this because I am considering involvement with my church and they have a program of helping people with addictions. I used to be into porn, the female kind. I was thinking of getting involved this way b/c nothing else in the church seems to interest me, ie video room, greeter, bookstore, coffee shop. I am somewhat of a deep thinker. thanks for sharing, Brinny, that is awesome!!

 

[janny108]

admin pls delete if this comes out twice

 

[brinny]

I was asking this because I am considering involvement with my church and they have a program of helping people with addictions. I used to be into porn, the female kind. I was thinking of getting involved this way b/c nothing else in the church seems to interest me, ie video room, greeter, bookstore, coffee shop. I am somewhat of a deep thinker. thanks for sharing, Brinny, that is awesome!!

Yes, God uses all that we struggled with to help others struggling. We're ALL struggling with, or have struggled with something to one degree or another. He grows beauty from ashes, and the hope that He instills in us, we in turn, share it with others.

Praying for you! God bless you!

 

[FireHeart]

I know of pain all too well. My life I guess you could say was gruesome. as a child I was severely abused I was starved I was drugged I was made a slave and I'm not kidding I was a servant in the house and I received brain damage from all that and at the age of eight I was the size of a five year old due to being so underfed. then when I was taken away to a good home I got cancer and the radiation and the chemo treatments damaged my body and I received even more brain damage. even though I was finally cured at age sixteen the damage was beyond repair I had gained several medical issues my body remained as a child and I couldn't do things normal ppl could.

even now I am 24 and my body and mind are still in the state of child if I didn't have my I.d. I would not be allowed in rated r movies and I have been mistaken for a child by a known pedifile lol However I never once questioned God why I had to go through all that. Because I know pain because I know how harsh and unfair life can be I am able to truly understand others who know pain and sadness I can connect to others who know the same hurts and I have deep compassion on the hurting and wounded souls. I don't know if it was satans hand that caused all my pain and unfairness in life but I know that God used it for good

 

[now faith]

God Bless and keep you FireHeart.

When I think about God's purposes in our life, I cannot help thinking about Moses and the Children of Israel.

When Moses returned to Egypt and proclaimed let my people go, the Children were one step away from freedom.
It was already done God said do it and it would come to pass.

Nevertheless with a hard heart Pharaohs anger was brought against the Children of Israel.
Pharaoh put seemingly impossible tasks before them to do,such as make bricks without a supply of straw.

They were whipped if production slowed.

At that point in time not knowing what was go happen soon, they must have thought Moses was crazy and God hated them.

Their misery is synonymous with this passage:


2 Corinthians: 4. 9. Persecuted, but not forsaken; cast down, but not destroyed; 10. Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body. 11. For we which live are alway delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh. 12. So then death worketh in us, but life in you. 13. We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak; 14. Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present us with you. 15. For all things are for your sakes, that the abundant grace might through the thanksgiving of many redound to the glory of God. 16. For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day. 17. For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory; 18. While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

 

[Al Gammate]

Yes, I do think that God sometimes uses a person’s pain and adversity to help others. It depends on whether the suffering person uses pain and adversity in a positive way or not. As many of us know, pain and adversity can either make or break you. Adversity can either turn you into a positive force in life or an evil one.

I have read stories about people suffering horrendous adversities and how these adversities affected them later on in life. Some of these people went on to do great things in life; they became almost superhuman. And some of these people became abject failures in life, or they became the embodiment of evil, committing the most vile and heinous acts in the history of mankind.

Many people have heard the adage, “It's not the size that counts, it’s how you use it.” Likewise for adversity. The size of the adversity is not as important as what you do with it. For example, I used to have a serious debilitating fear of public speaking. This isn’t so bad if you’re in a situation where you don’t have to give any speeches. But I was in college at the time, and I had never been so humiliated in my life. I was so bad at giving speeches that it had a traumatic effect on me. Later on, I started to have panic attacks whenever I was faced with a group of people.

I could have let this adversity transform me into a loser or a sociopath. But I didn’t. Instead, I used this adversity as rocket fuel to motivate me to become an excellent public speaker. I read numerous articles on how to beat public speaking anxiety, and I found the solution that worked best for me at the time: positive affirmations (e.g., “I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.” Philippians 4:13 KJV) and a drug that reduces the fight-flight response (e.g., Inderal).

Currently, I no longer use Inderal whenever I have to give a speech. But I still use positive affirmations. In fact, I use positive affirmations on a daily basis as mental exercise to train my mind to think positive. I use positive Bible verses as my affirmations. And I strongly encourage others to do so, especially if they are going through adversity.

 

[now faith]

When your going through Hell,keep going!

Winston Churchill.

 

[Farm Truck]

God taught me that Jesus took all my infirmities upon Himself so I would not have to bare them, so that's what I would teach to others is that Jesus took theirs as well and they do not have to have them.

I use positive affirmations on a daily basis as mental exercise to train my mind to think positive

That's wonderful. New agers do the same thing, so don't forget God's correction as noted in Hebrews 12.

If we do not accept His correction we are rejecting the leading of the Holy Spirit as as such we become bastards due to rejecting fellowship with the Spirit of Jesus Christ, not allowing Him to live in us.

Many today are "positive" but fail to allow the Lord to correct and lead them which is a gave, salvation critical mistake.

Some will find this out when it's too late when they learn it was not God rejecting them, but rather them rejecting God's presence. A sad situation in deed which we know is true because Jesus specifically said not everyone who call Hims Lord will enter in to His Kingdom.

So yes, be sure to stay with God's Word instead of just being positive cause anyone can be positive which means nothing without God's promises by which we are partakers of His divine nature.

 

[now faith]

Are God's promises positive?

Hebrews 12 states whom the Lord loves he will be chastised.

Are the other promises made to convict your heart or challenge you belief in God?

 

[Farm Truck]

What many today do not get is... being corrected by the Lord IS a wonderful thing, but yet many reject God's correction which is rejecting the leading of the Holy Spirit thinking they are already perfect violating the truth of 1 John 1:8

Numerous foundational errors in the exaggerated grace message. These are the ear ticklers the Lord warned us about:

2 Timothy 4:3,4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

The Lord warned us that OSAS was not true in Revelation 3:5 and in Matthew 7:21-23 among others.

All God wants is for His people to walk in agreement with Him with sincerity nut many today call that "works" and "being under the law"

Galatians 5:18
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Apparently, walking in the flesh is being under the law of sin and death. exaggerated grace people don't like certain passages in God's Word so they like to claim some things were not written to Christians or come up with some other excuse as to why certain passages are not applicable for us today.

 

[now faith]

What many today do not get is... being corrected by the Lord IS a wonderful thing, but yet many reject God's correction which is rejecting the leading of the Holy Spirit thinking they are already perfect violating the truth of 1 John 1:8

Numerous foundational errors in the exaggerated grace message. These are the ear ticklers the Lord warned us about:

2 Timothy 4:3,4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

The Lord warned us that OSAS was not true in Revelation 3:5 and in Matthew 7:21-23 among others.

All God wants is for His people to walk in agreement with Him with sincerity nut many today call that "works" and "being under the law"

Galatians 5:18
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Apparently, walking in the flesh is being under the law of sin and death. exaggerated grace people don't like certain passages in God's Word so they like to claim some things were not written to Christians or come up with some other excuse as to why certain passages are not applicable for us today.

Numerous errors in your biblical references are apparent.

If you wanted to provide a reference for God chastising people for their benefit here is one:

Hebrews chapter 12 verses 5 through 8.
And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
[6] For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
[7] If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
[8] But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.


I have no idea of your interpretation of the Grace message ,here is the Word of Faith view point: Ephesians chapter 2


[4] But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
[5] Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
[6] And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
[7] That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
[8] For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
[9] Not of works, lest any man should boast.
[10] For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.


Grace simply means unmerited favor,we can not earn our salvation by works.

Grace is not a exaggerated term it is God's truth,your opinion of others may be exaggerated
You are not a member of Word of Faith fellowship ,we welcome comments and fellowship but a kind reminder not to proselytize your religious views in a accusatory manner.

 

[Farm Truck]

Numerous errors in your biblical references are apparent.

I can see where one would think that... if they refuse to accept the whole counsel of God and instead accept only a few versus and in doing so rejecting God's wisdom whether knowingly or unknowingly.

That's the problem with modern teaching - it's partial and incomplete!

But hey, every man will answer unto the Lord concerning what they believe and what they rejected from God's written Word.

 

[now faith]

It is a complement to state our Teaching is exaggerated in the Grace message, here is the reason :

Ephesians: 2. 8. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9. Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. 11. Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12. That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13. But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. 14. For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 15. Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 16. And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: 17. And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. 18. For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. - Bible Offline

 

[Farm Truck]

Unfortunately... modern teaching does not reflect the whole counsel of God.

That's a grave mistake, and one I'm not going to make.

But, help thyself!

 

[hhodgson]

What many today do not get is... being corrected by the Lord IS a wonderful thing, but yet many reject God's correction which is rejecting the leading of the Holy Spirit thinking they are already perfect violating the truth of 1 John 1:8.

You brought this subject into the (Word of Faith) forum, so is there anyone or group that your referring to? I know of "no one" here that rejects the leading of the Holy Spirit, or... reject God's correction.

Numerous foundational errors in the exaggerated grace message. These are the ear ticklers the Lord warned us about:

2 Timothy 4:3,4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

So true... for years they have turned away from the whole counsel of the fullness of grace and mixed the grace message with law (by our efforts) which makes it of none affect. We can thank God that the foundational (full) message of grace is being revived today to the Church in these last days.

The Lord warned us that OSAS was not true in Revelation 3:5 and in Matthew 7:21-23 among others.

I'm not sure why you brought up OSAS on a Word of Faith forum, ...but be advised that there are some here (including me) that do believe in Eternal Security. It's been debated forever.

All God wants is for His people to walk in agreement with Him with sincerity not many today call that "works" and "being under the law"

Galatians 5:18
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Apparently, walking in the flesh is being under the law of sin and death. exaggerated grace people don't like certain passages in God's Word so they like to claim some things were not written to Christians or come up with some other excuse as to why certain passages are not applicable for us today.

So, now were back to exaggerated grace? FT... your all over the place. Anyway, to your quote... The whole counsel of God's Word is being taught by these grace teachers and by that, they (do believe) this... "For whatever was written in earlier times was written for our instruction, so that through perseverance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope." Romans 15:4. Also here..."All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness." 2 Timothy 3:16

Why would they need to find excuses for truth?

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[Farm Truck]

The whole counsel of God's Word is being taught by these grace teachers

No, actually it's not... but I understand if I name names you guys will get mad and won't want to play anymore since these TV preachers are idolized by so many. That's the problem is people start following people instead of the Lord. I know of 3 big time TV preachers that are now saying that homosexuality is an "ongoing discussion" which means they are riding the fense on this subject instead of standing on the Truth of God's Word... so they are now leading people astray on something God says was an obamanation not knowing God's warning in Romans 1:32.

How do you explain away this verse which is part of taking communion?
There's sure a lot of Christians dying from stuff these days...

1 Corinthians 11:31
For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

This goes with Hebrews 12. Those that teach extreme grace never mention this, so no they are not teaching the whole counsel of God because if they did their offerings and product sales would go down! They may have started out sincere, but most of these guys are servants of marketing machines that they have built into a "brand" that commands their attention instead of the leading of the Holy Spirit

For several years now, I have studied numerous extreme grace guys who claim the Holy Spirit NEVER corrects any Christian since they think Christians are now perfect which is being deceived according to 1 John 1:8 which they claim is not for us today (they treat God's Word like a bag of trail mix) ... and there are numerous scriptures in the New Testament that let us know it is in fact possible to lose one's salvation if we choose to walk after the flesh.

But, anywho... you may be sincere about walking with the Lord but many out there hear some of this stuff and continue living in sin and that is the fault of the extreme grace teachers who refuse to tell the rest of the story according to the New Testament to let folks know the Bible warns us if we walk after the flesh we shall die (Romans 8) among others.

Those who claim to be ministers are going to receive greater judgement since to whom much is given, much required. So some will end up in hell due to believing OSAS is true as they fail to realize the purpose of their existence is for God to live in us and to not be in agreement with idols (2 Corinthians 6:16) and so more and more Christians are now falling away and living worldly lives not knowing James 4:4.

But, I understand, it's all good and as long as we are "happy" then all is well... don't worry, be happy

 

[hhodgson]

No, actually it's not... but I understand if I name names you guys will get mad and won't want to play anymore since these TV preachers are idolized by so many. That's the problem is people start following people instead of the Lord. I know of 3 big time TV preachers that are now saying that homosexuality is an "ongoing discussion" which means they are riding the fense on this subject instead of standing on the Truth of God's Word... so they are now leading people astray on something God says was an obamanation not knowing God's warning in Romans 1:32.9

Again, if your teaching the FULL GRACE message you are teaching the whole counsel of God. And I also know about some of these TV preachers that "appear" to giving in to the sin of homosexuality as an "exceptable practice." When much is given, much is required... so they need to take a hard stand against ANY sin. And, I will say it again. If any confessing Christian leads a lifestyle of continually practicing sin... (IMO), they need to be truly born-again. However! Let's always remember this... God's sees the heart. (keyword: Lifestyle).

How do you explain away this verse which is part of taking communion? There's sure a lot of Christians dying from stuff these days...

1 Corinthians 11:3-32 "For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world."

I'm not a Bible scholor by far, so I don't know how to answer this for (your) satisfaction, but true born-again believers don't NEED to be fearful, guilty, or condemned for partaking in the Lord's Supper. Proclaiming the Lord's death should be an ocassion of great joy and celebration. We were (once) defiled by sin. If or when we do sin... we repent (change our minds) and by turning to God... we turn from sin. Our guilty consciences have also been cleansed and our forgiveness has been eternally secured by the precious blood of Jesus and the finished works at the cross.

We are to judge ourselves in light of Christ's perfect sacrifice at the whipping post and the finished work of the cross (forgiven, accepted, healed), then by this, we would not suffer the punishing effects of sin (condemnation, rejection, sickness).

By (failing to honor) His body and blood they take communion in an unworthy manner. This is what happened to the Corinthians who were suffering unnecessarily because they did not discern the Lord's body. And... This is why many were weak, sickly, and some died. That's the best I can do. I pray it's adaquate for your question.

But, anywho... you may be sincere about walking with the Lord but many out there hear some of this stuff and continue living in sin and that is the fault of the extreme grace teachers who refuse to tell the rest of the story according to the New Testament to let folks know the Bible warns us if we walk after the flesh we shall die (Romans 8) among others

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Your bold part is correct, but... they definitely lack the understanding of the full grace message, and some... are misrepresenting what is (actually being taught) by these grace teachers. IMO... I believe there message is correct by teaching the whole counsel of God... in the fullness of His GRACE.

True born-again believers will exhibit carnality by "getting in the flesh" (temporal) and may sin from time to time, but... "walking in the flesh" is a lifestyle and if they continue practicing them... they need to be truly saved. In contrast, a true believer will exhibit a lifestyle of "walking in the spirit."

But, I understand, it's all good and as long as we are "happy" then all is well... don't worry, be happy

Be Blessed to Be a BLESSING...

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