Father James Martin Speaks Out Against Catholics Who Hate Gays

[JustHisKid]

No, treating them like they are scum, demonizing and condemning them, attempting to oppress their lives, and being self-righteous and bigoted toward them is hateful.

It's a good thing that nobody treats them that way. I certainly don't know anyone who does. We will not celebrate our own sin, nor the sin of others. That's not self-righteous, that's honest. We know we are no better than they are. We are just forgiven.

 

[patricius79]

No, treating them like they are scum, demonizing and condemning them, attempting to oppress their lives, and being self-righteous and bigoted toward them is hateful.

I agree that all those things are hateful, as is condoning their sins or anybody's sins.

However, I don't know anybody who treats homosexual people that way.

Also, are you saying that by condemning someone's sins we are condemning them as persons?

 

[topcare]

Supporting them in their sin is true hatred.

Amen!

 

[stray bullet]

What befuddles me is how Catholics can support a group of people who are trying to really do harm to the Catholic Church? You know it's just a matter of time until LGBT lobbyists and their minions force their will on the Church. It's just a matter of time until the priest refusing to marry two "gay" folks will be likened to the KKK villain shouting "Get out of my church! I don't marry no coloreds! Get out!" Racism and "homophobia" have been used with LGBTers for years now. You don't like gay marriage, you might as well be calling black folks the N word! Same thing! That's the mindset.

How can a Catholic with any conscience support such an un-Biblical, un-Catholic, immoral union and almost PULL for the United States to be more secular and less Christian? The Catholics in OBOB who pull for this vile crud seem to be full of glee at the thought of American being a post-Christian nation. It's so bizarre.

I'm Orthodox first, American second. The Kingdom I believe in and am headed toward is run by the Triune God. When this secular government departs from the Judeo-Christian heritage upon which it is founded---IT WILL FALL! Pride comes before a fall. Right now we're full of pride parades.

Pride parades then.....the Fall.

It's interesting how there are Catholics who are ok with terminating a pregnancy, ok with two men having some sodomy together, shacking up, you name it. I wonder what it would be like to be them for a day? How does their brain work? Do they just go through the catechism tearing out pages, do they use white-out? Do they recopy the Catechism on Word without the stuff they don't like? Do they just play pretend games? I don't get it.

You know what is worse than homosexuals, abortion, and sodomy?

Those birth control users.

It amazing what sick sick sick individuals will do in the name of love when they don't find their divine and temporal needs met.

People have gay relationships because of their need for love and they don't think they are harming anyone.
People use abortions because they get scared like people that use birth control.

Neither side thinks they are hurting anyone.

Put all those evil people in the same hand basket for delivery to Satan.

 

[MikeK]

I agree that people who struggle with homoerotic tendencies are equal to the rest of us. But is it oppression to simply disagree with homoerotic acts, as well as heterosexual sins?

Of course not, it is perfectly reasonable for us to speak out against evils related to sex or sexuality - adultery (including so-called "remarriage" without anullment or death), masturbation, fornication, lust, contraception, abortion, pornography, IVF, sodomy (which is to anal sex as rose is to flower, there are many forms of sodomy outside the anal sex that some men on this board seem so fascinated by), rape and so on. The Catholic will be vocally against all of these, likely with a sense of proportion to how common each of these acts ocurrs.

 

[brewmama]

You know what is worse than homosexuals, abortion, and sodomy?

Those birth control users.

It amazing what sick sick sick individuals will do in the name of love when they don't find their divine and temporal needs met.

People have gay relationships because of their need for love and they don't think they are harming anyone.
People use abortions because they get scared like people that use birth control.

Neither side thinks they are hurting anyone.

Put all those evil people in the same hand basket for delivery to Satan.

True, just like Pope Paul VI predicted in Humanae Vitae. The major problem is that certain Catholics can't see that forcing or condoning such sin is wrong. When people can't recognize their sin as sin, it creates major problems, and deeper sin.

 

[brewmama]

No, treating them like they are scum, demonizing and condemning them, attempting to oppress their lives, and being self-righteous and bigoted toward them is hateful.

Is treating Christians or conservatives like they are scum, demonizing and condemning them, attempting to oppress their lives, and being self-righteous and bigoted toward them hateful?

 

[brewmama]

Ugh, I was falling asleep by the second paragraph. Care to tell me in your own words? You seem pretty dedicated to the idea, I'm interested in your opinions and explanations.

What a shame. The bottom line of the article is that our society has fallen to insane moral levels (with plenty of recent examples) and is more difficult to evangelize than a pagan one that can recognize right from wrong.

 

[Armoured]

What a shame. The bottom line of the article is that our society has fallen to insane moral levels (with plenty of recent examples) and is more difficult to evangelize than a pagan one that can recognize right from wrong.

Seems kind of circular. "The immoral thing about society is people don't know their society is immoral".

Thanks for your response, but, given the general statistics of Western society, we're living in a Golden Age, and I really can't see this terrible trend towards doom and destruction that people keep talking about.

 

[brewmama]

Seems kind of circular. "The immoral thing about society is people don't know their society is immoral".

Thanks for your response, but, given the general statistics of Western society, we're living in a Golden Age, and I really can't see this terrible trend towards doom and destruction that people keep talking about.

Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it isn't happening. It's certainly your prerogative to turn a blind eye.

 

[Armoured]

Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it isn't happening. It's certainly your prerogative to turn a blind eye.

Well, if it's happening, can you give me some concrete examples of actual bad things that are happening in our society at a rate worse than they used to be?

 

[MikeK]

Well, if it's happening, can you give me some concrete examples of actual bad things that are happening in our society at a rate worse than they used to be?

Abortion, murder, deaths by unjust war, starvation, and deaths due to malnutrition must certainly be among them, right?

 

[brewmama]

Well, if it's happening, can you give me some concrete examples of actual bad things that are happening in our society at a rate worse than they used to be?

I did, but you chose not to read it.

 

[Armoured]

I did, but you chose not to read it.

The article seemed kind of light on for concrete examples. Again, I'm interested in what you think is getting worse. Specifically.

 

[brewmama]

The article seemed kind of light on for concrete examples.

???

I'll use the article's examples themselves:

"An owner of a basketball team, stricken in years, leaves his wife and family and takes a mistress fifty years his junior. She has renamed herself "V," a common allusion to the impudendum. She dresses and behaves like a harlot, scoring young men of her own on the side. He is aware of it and does not mind, with one proviso. She may bed down men of any race, so long as she does not bring to the basketball games her gigolos among the blacks. She surreptitiously records his conversation and releases it to the press, whereupon his fellow owners banish him from the league.

A woman posing as a fifteen-year-old girl shows up with a hidden camera at a Planned Parenthood clinic. She asks the counselor about "kinky" things, pretending to have a seventeen-year-old boyfriend who likes whips. The counselor gives her advice, much of it obscene and proceeding from her own experience. She talks about whips, sex toys, porn, sodomy, and how to tell the difference between pain that feels good and pain that doesn't. The video is released to the press, and again there are expressions of outrage.

A young man, the son of good new-fashioned liberated feminist parents, is attending a good new-fashioned sexually nihilist university. He and a young woman, a "friend," fornicate for a couple of months, and then decide that they are just friends after all. One night they are walking back to the dormitories after a party, drunk. He puts the moves on her. From this point on, he and she give differing accounts of what happened. What they both admit is that they returned to the dormitory together and had sexual intercourse, including sodomy. She says she only went along with it because she wanted to get it over with; he says she initiated things by removing her clothes. She accuses him of rape. His parents spring to his defense. Outrage ensues from two quarters: from women, who see the incident as one more evil in a miserable history of men abusing women; and from men, who conclude that women will lie to themselves and others to shirk responsibility for their actions. Both sides focus on what they can guess about the woman's feelings at the time of the incident. Both sides assume that there is no crime if the criminals were partners in it.

Justin Trudeau, head of the Liberal party in Canada, announces that the Liberals will no longer submit any candidate who does not support the abortion license. A few Canadian churchmen and politicians protest this encroachment upon the consciences of party members.

The mayor of Boston, meanwhile, leads the Gay Pride parade while men in drag and various states of undress strut their peacock wares. The marshals of the parade are drag queens, the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence. These hairy nuns bear names like "Porn Again" and "Roz Erection." A policeman in Utah, tagged by his department to lead a similar parade, begs off and asks to be assigned traffic duty instead. He is slapped with a suspension. Some people are outraged that he would ask to be reassigned. Others are outraged, and justly so, that an arm of the state should attempt to force him to bless what he considered to be evil. No one asks about the nature of his objection.

What almost all of the outrage reveals, however, is insanity.

Read more:http://www.touchstonemag.com/archives/article.php?id=28-01-022-f#ixzz3f8UGx3QH

 

[mark46]

Abortion, murder, deaths by unjust war, starvation, and deaths due to malnutrition must certainly be among them, right?

I would note that the rates of each of these have gone down in the last few decades.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Here is a transcript of Father James' remarks, in case the server hosting the image of his Facebook post goes down:

Do you honestly think that, because I personally abhor the sin of homosexual sex, that I 'hate' homosexuals? Abhorrence of sin is love, in the eyes of the Father. Now if you hate the person because of their sin, that's a different story. Father James is right. I don't hate someone because they have moral challenges in their life. I have my own.

 

[mark46]

Do you honestly think that, because I personally abhor the sin of homosexual sex, that I 'hate' homosexuals? Abhorrence of sin is love, in the eyes of the Father. Now if you hate the person because of their sin, that's a different story. Father James is right. I don't hate someone because they have moral challenges in their life. I have my own.

Many people exhibit behavior that seems to show that they hate homosexuals.

 

[SkyWriting]

I don't hate gays, I just think the lifestyle is destructive and apparently God does, too.

It's not destructive. We all are already sinners.
Death is death and we all deserve it.

 

[SkyWriting]

Do you honestly think that, because I personally abhor the sin of homosexual sex, that I 'hate' homosexuals? Abhorrence of sin is love, in the eyes of the Father. Now if you hate the person because of their sin, that's a different story. Father James is right. I don't hate someone because they have moral challenges in their life. I have my own.

There are plenty of Sins to choose from. Don't be choosey.
Include and display all your own. Then when you are pure
you may plank others in the eye.