Why is Jesus the ????

[Frogster]

The verse I quoted referred to the Law of Moses. If you want to know about the Law of God, you should read the posts Frogster has put up. He's got it clear enough you can follow it. Christ ushered in our New Covenant. The New LAWful marriage Covenant in His Blood. It has no relationship to that old marriage covenant law of Moses, which was abolished when Jesus, the HUSBAND DIED.

(Rom 7:3) So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.


(Rom 7:4) Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

There is no NEW marriage for Anyone, until they have become DEAD to that OT marriage Law. This is a great mystery speaking of the Church. When it is revealed, it is evident that the First Lawful marriage covenant is abolished. That is why the word ABOLISHED is used.

you go girl! Amen!

 

[TheBarrd]

then you have to think works can produce life! hehehehe

No...what I believe is that the Holy Spirit within me will produce works. I believe that faith without works is dead, because the Bible says that faith without works is dead.
I Figure God probably knows more about it than Frogster or the Bug...
hehehehehe

 

[TheBarrd]

Those verses are there...all the tap-dancing around them isn't going to make them disappear.
Therefore, we need to see how Paul fits with Jesus and with James.

 

[Frogster]

No...what I believe is that the Holy Spirit within me will produce works. I believe that faith without works is dead, because the Bible says that faith without works is dead.
I Figure God probably knows more about it than Frogster or the Bug...
hehehehehe

then why did James in Acts 15 agree with Peter and Paul, no works to be saved, just by faith and grace?...hehehehhe..

oh well, you are most likely going to sleep soon, I know your pattern, it is late, good night! frog.

 

[TheBarrd]

Paul also says this:


Romans 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Romans 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man.

Romans 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

Romans 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Did Paul serve the law of God?
Uh...yes, he did.
Tell us again, Paul...some of us seem to have missed it.

"with the mind I myself serve the law of God"

hehehehehe

 

[TheBarrd]

1 John 2:3-5 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

 

[TheBarrd]

then why did James in Acts 15 agree with Peter and Paul, no works to be saved, just by faith and grace?...hehehehhe..

oh well, you are most likely going to sleep soon, I know your pattern, it is late, good night! frog.

Eh, I had a nap this afternoon.
I'm good for a little while yet...

 

[Frogster]

Paul also says this:


Romans 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Romans 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man.

Romans 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

Romans 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Did Paul serve the law of God?
Uh...yes, he did.
Tell us again, Paul...some of us seem to have missed it.

"with the mind I myself serve the law of God"

hehehehehe

please, he just got done in chapter 7 saying how sin used the law in 7:8, and 7:11.

All he is saying id that the law is holy, and sure, it is not evil, but lets go by the whole of Romans, the law was added to increase the sin, Rom 5:20, just read my siggy for more info..

 

[Frogster]

1 John 2:3-5 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

1 John 3:23 just talks about 2, love God, love the church. just 2..hehehe

 

[Frogster]

Eh, I had a nap this afternoon.
I'm good for a little while yet...

oh my,. it's past your bedtime!

 

[TheBarrd]

Here's another little tidbit you left out:

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

True, we are not justified by the law. True that we are justified by faith.
But does that make the law null and void?
Here Paul rings out a resounding NO!

 

[Frogster]

Here's another little tidbit you left out:

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

True, we are not justified by the law. True that we are justified by faith.
But does that make the law null and void?
Here Paul rings out a resounding NO!

Paul established condemnation through law for 3 chapters...lol...the law condemns, we know that, it was called a ministry of death and condemnation in 2Cor 3..

If you really want to understand 3:31, read this op in the link I posted.

http://www.christianforums.com/threads/some-dont-understand-romans-3-31-here-is-a-challenge.7870201/

 

[Frogster]

Here's another little tidbit you left out:

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

True, we are not justified by the law. True that we are justified by faith.
But does that make the law null and void?
Here Paul rings out a resounding NO!

Law in Rom 3:31 mean the OT in General.

The law is not of faith, Gal 3:12, law voids the promise, Rom 4:14. So how can the law uphold what it voids?

Did you notice the question in 3:31?

Read 31 like this..

"Do we void the Old Testament, like Genesis, by the justifying faith of Jew and Greek? No, it was in upheld in the OT all along"

Law in 3:31 meant the OT, Paul went into the OT to answer the question in 3:31, what does the OT say in Rom 4:3.

 

[TheBarrd]

1 John 3:23 just talks about 2, love God, love the church. just 2..hehehe

1 John 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

But once again, you left out a bit.

1 John 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
1 John 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

Love is an action word.

 

[Frogster]

1 John 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

But once again, you left out a bit.

1 John 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
1 John 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

Love is an action word.

The frog is loving...

 

[Frogster]

1 John 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

But once again, you left out a bit.

1 John 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
1 John 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

Love is an action word.

Here are some law verses for you too...



Law, from Paul and others.

Peter said the law was a yoke, he nor the fathers could bear, Acts 15:10, and it would test God to add it to the church.

James said not to burden with the law either in Acts 15.

Jesus in revelation 2:24 said he does not lay any other burden, same words as James in Acts 15.

It was dung life in Phil 3.

The power of sin is the law 1 Cor 15:56.

The law was temporary Gal 3:19.

The law was for children Gal 4:3.

The law works wrath Rom 4:15.

Sinful passions were aroused under law Rom 7:5.

The law is not the gospel Gal 3:9-10.

Life under law is cursed Gal 3:10 and 3:13.

The law is not of promise Gal 3:18 and Rom 4:14.

They received the Spirit not by law Gal 3:2.

They did not have miracles by law Gal 3:5.

The law does not justify Rom 3:20.

The law did not give life Gal 3:21.

The law did not sanctify Gal 3:3,

The law was added to increase the trespass, not take it away, Rom5:20.

Sin has dominion under law Rom 6:14.

Law life was bondage Gal 2:4, Gal 4:3, Gal 4:25, Gal 5:1.

To be severed from Christ, was to be under law, imagine that! Gal 5:4.

The law was called a strict pedagogue (tutor) of Gal 3:24, a strict disciplinarian, not very flattering, which fits into the context of the prison warden words of 3:24. The pedagogues beat the children with rods in Paul’s day.

The law was elemental Gal 4:3.

The law was a system of slavery, Gal 4.

Paul called the law bondage about 4 times in Galatians.

The law was called a prison that held in sin Gal 3:22-23.

The law is not grace Rom 11:6.

We are not heirs by law Rom 4:16.

The law is not of faith Gal 3:12.

The law is not the cross Gal 5:11 and Gal 3:1.

The law was abolished Eph 2:15.

The law was nailed to the cross Col 2:14,

The law caused division between Gentile and Jew in Eph 2:14-15.

The law caused enmity with God and man, Eph 2:16-18.

We are not sons by law Gal 4:6, the law was a ministry of death and condemnation 2 Cor 3:7-9.

The law could not cleanse guilt Heb 9:14 and 10:4,

To revert to the old cov was to spurn the Spirit of grace and the blood of the Cov, it was sin Heb 10:26-29.

Christ is the end of the law Rom 10:4.

There was a time when there was no law Rom 5:13.

It was a ministry of death and condemnation, 2 Corinthians 3.

We are not under law, Gal 5:18, Romans 6:14.

The old cov was abolished, Heb 8:13, 10:9.

Weak and useless.

Hebrews 7:18-19 For on the one hand, a former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness 19 (for the law made nothing perfect); but on the other hand, a better hope is introduced, through which we draw near to God.


In Galatians 4:10-11, Paul said he wasted his time on them, if they got under Sabbath, the law, the Jewish calendar, and the basically same thing in Colossians 2:16.

Whew!

 

[TheBarrd]

then why did James in Acts 15 agree with Peter and Paul, no works to be saved, just by faith and grace?...hehehehhe..

oh well, you are most likely going to sleep soon, I know your pattern, it is late, good night! frog.

You've been asked before, but as far as I can see, you have never answered this question.
Of the Ten Commandments, other than the fourth, which seems to be the problem, which one may a Christian ignore?

May I have any other gods? For instance, may I worship Zeus or Diana of the Ephesians?
May I make a graven image and worship it?
May I use God's name in vain?
May I disrespect my parents?
My next door neighbor is really annoying. May I kill him?
I'm feeling...well, you know...May I commit adultery?
I like Winepress' necklace. May I steal it?
Someone made me mad. May I tell a lie about him and get him into trouble?
And I really, really like that necklace...you could say I am coveting it. Is this okay?

I seriously want you to tell me...since I am not under the law, as you say...may I do these things?
Why or why not?

 

[TheBarrd]

Here are some law verses for you too...



Law, from Paul and others.

Peter said the law was a yoke, he nor the fathers could bear, Acts 15:10, and it would test God to add it to the church.

James said not to burden with the law either in Acts 15.

Jesus in revelation 2:24 said he does not lay any other burden, same words as James in Acts 15.

It was dung life in Phil 3.

The power of sin is the law 1 Cor 15:56.

The law was temporary Gal 3:19.

The law was for children Gal 4:3.

The law works wrath Rom 4:15.

Sinful passions were aroused under law Rom 7:5.

The law is not the gospel Gal 3:9-10.

Life under law is cursed Gal 3:10 and 3:13.

The law is not of promise Gal 3:18 and Rom 4:14.

They received the Spirit not by law Gal 3:2.

They did not have miracles by law Gal 3:5.

The law does not justify Rom 3:20.

The law did not give life Gal 3:21.

The law did not sanctify Gal 3:3,

The law was added to increase the trespass, not take it away, Rom5:20.

Sin has dominion under law Rom 6:14.

Law life was bondage Gal 2:4, Gal 4:3, Gal 4:25, Gal 5:1.

To be severed from Christ, was to be under law, imagine that! Gal 5:4.

The law was called a strict pedagogue (tutor) of Gal 3:24, a strict disciplinarian, not very flattering, which fits into the context of the prison warden words of 3:24. The pedagogues beat the children with rods in Paul’s day.

The law was elemental Gal 4:3.

The law was a system of slavery, Gal 4.

Paul called the law bondage about 4 times in Galatians.

The law was called a prison that held in sin Gal 3:22-23.

The law is not grace Rom 11:6.

We are not heirs by law Rom 4:16.

The law is not of faith Gal 3:12.

The law is not the cross Gal 5:11 and Gal 3:1.

The law was abolished Eph 2:15.

The law was nailed to the cross Col 2:14,

The law caused division between Gentile and Jew in Eph 2:14-15.

The law caused enmity with God and man, Eph 2:16-18.

We are not sons by law Gal 4:6, the law was a ministry of death and condemnation 2 Cor 3:7-9.

The law could not cleanse guilt Heb 9:14 and 10:4,

To revert to the old cov was to spurn the Spirit of grace and the blood of the Cov, it was sin Heb 10:26-29.

Christ is the end of the law Rom 10:4.

There was a time when there was no law Rom 5:13.

It was a ministry of death and condemnation, 2 Corinthians 3.

We are not under law, Gal 5:18, Romans 6:14.

The old cov was abolished, Heb 8:13, 10:9.

Weak and useless.

Hebrews 7:18-19 For on the one hand, a former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness 19 (for the law made nothing perfect); but on the other hand, a better hope is introduced, through which we draw near to God.


In Galatians 4:10-11, Paul said he wasted his time on them, if they got under Sabbath, the law, the Jewish calendar, and the basically same thing in Colossians 2:16.

Whew!

Yes, very impressive.
Now...can you answer the question I asked you, please?

 

[TheBarrd]

Any of you who claim that Christians have no law over them...can any of you answer my question?

 

[TheBarrd]

Here are some law verses for you too...



Law, from Paul and others.

Peter said the law was a yoke, he nor the fathers could bear, Acts 15:10, and it would test God to add it to the church.

James said not to burden with the law either in Acts 15.

Jesus in revelation 2:24 said he does not lay any other burden, same words as James in Acts 15.

It was dung life in Phil 3.

The power of sin is the law 1 Cor 15:56.

The law was temporary Gal 3:19.

The law was for children Gal 4:3.

The law works wrath Rom 4:15.

Sinful passions were aroused under law Rom 7:5.

The law is not the gospel Gal 3:9-10.

Life under law is cursed Gal 3:10 and 3:13.

The law is not of promise Gal 3:18 and Rom 4:14.

They received the Spirit not by law Gal 3:2.

They did not have miracles by law Gal 3:5.

The law does not justify Rom 3:20.

The law did not give life Gal 3:21.

The law did not sanctify Gal 3:3,

The law was added to increase the trespass, not take it away, Rom5:20.

Sin has dominion under law Rom 6:14.

Law life was bondage Gal 2:4, Gal 4:3, Gal 4:25, Gal 5:1.

To be severed from Christ, was to be under law, imagine that! Gal 5:4.

The law was called a strict pedagogue (tutor) of Gal 3:24, a strict disciplinarian, not very flattering, which fits into the context of the prison warden words of 3:24. The pedagogues beat the children with rods in Paul’s day.

The law was elemental Gal 4:3.

The law was a system of slavery, Gal 4.

Paul called the law bondage about 4 times in Galatians.

The law was called a prison that held in sin Gal 3:22-23.

The law is not grace Rom 11:6.

We are not heirs by law Rom 4:16.

The law is not of faith Gal 3:12.

The law is not the cross Gal 5:11 and Gal 3:1.

The law was abolished Eph 2:15.

The law was nailed to the cross Col 2:14,

The law caused division between Gentile and Jew in Eph 2:14-15.

The law caused enmity with God and man, Eph 2:16-18.

We are not sons by law Gal 4:6, the law was a ministry of death and condemnation 2 Cor 3:7-9.

The law could not cleanse guilt Heb 9:14 and 10:4,

To revert to the old cov was to spurn the Spirit of grace and the blood of the Cov, it was sin Heb 10:26-29.

Christ is the end of the law Rom 10:4.

There was a time when there was no law Rom 5:13.

It was a ministry of death and condemnation, 2 Corinthians 3.

We are not under law, Gal 5:18, Romans 6:14.

The old cov was abolished, Heb 8:13, 10:9.

Weak and useless.

Hebrews 7:18-19 For on the one hand, a former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness 19 (for the law made nothing perfect); but on the other hand, a better hope is introduced, through which we draw near to God.


In Galatians 4:10-11, Paul said he wasted his time on them, if they got under Sabbath, the law, the Jewish calendar, and the basically same thing in Colossians 2:16.

Whew!

Yeah...and we can find as many verses that say that we must obey the law.

Now...which of the 10 cs may I break with impunity...other than the dreaded day of rest?
Can you give me an answer?