Why is Jesus the ????

[disciple1]

Because I asked a question you are unwilling to answer?

Many people read the bible a little and apply the law to others and not themselves, I think that's the problem your having, study the bible and learn from it, it's written by God so it's hard to understand and I don't think you can get everything out of it if you spend many life times studying it hours a day, but I don't think you study it.
John chapter 8 verse 31,32
To the Jews who believed him Jesus said if you hold to my teaching you are really my disciples and you will know the truth and the truth will set you free.
If your going to use the law apply it to yourself otherwise your a hypocrite because you don't obey it, many people apply the law to other people and not themselves, and no one but Christ ever obeyed the law.

 

[Isaacsname]

hmmmmmm

 

[Elder 111]

You have been answered several times on this passage with plenty support for our answers. You simply ignore them without discussion like a good obedient boy. Ellen is proud of you.

Never-the-less we are very honored to be devalued and called murderers, idolater and liars. Whatever makes you feel good.

You finally admit that you can not deny the holy word of God. That is good!

 

[TheBarrd]

I'm not sure exactly what the OP is trying to get at, here?
We know that "all have sinned, and fallen short of the glory of God". All, would include every mother's child of us...it would include Frogster, it would include Disciple, and bbbbbbbb, and Elder, and me, and anyone else who has posted in this thread.
It would include every single one of the 260,000+ members of CF. It would include every single Christian in every single church all over the world....and every one who is not in church. It would include every single person in the world who is not a Christian as well. ALL have sinned...from the pope in the Vatican to the little old lady in the third pew with the little bald spot right there that your naughty kid keeps giggling at all through the sermon...right down to the beggar on the corner outside. ALL have sinned.
Do you understand what I am saying? We are all sinners.
Of course, no one comes to Christ through the law. If we were keeping the law, we wouldn't need Him, would we?

However, that doesn't mean that as Christians, we can behave any way we like, does it? Paul certainly does't teach such a lie...nor should we even imply such a thing.
We are under a New Covenant now...and a part of this New Covenant is that we have God's Holy Law written in our very hearts.

While it is true that the law is a stumbling stone to those who think to come to Jesus by it, it is also true that it is a stone that will crush all of those that it falls on...let's not forget part 2 of that statement.

 

[listed]

You finally admit that you can not deny the holy word of God. That is good!

Silly, that is not a confession on my part admitting that I am any of the things you called or accused us of or as. But I am tired of your abusing the Scripture to resort to name calling. As such your post is off topic and flaming. Because you abuse the Scripture in this way the admin will nothing.

 

[listed]

Who's Ellen?
Matthew 11
28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”
1 Peter chapter 4 verse 8
8 Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.
1 John chapter 4 verse 8, 16

Says God is love.

I'll go with love rather than bear a heavy burden that no one but Christ has ever been able to carry.

None other than Ellen G White, SDA prophetess.

 

[Elder 111]

Many people read the bible a little and apply the law to others and not themselves, I think that's the problem your having, study the bible and learn from it, it's written by God so it's hard to understand and I don't think you can get everything out of it if you spend many life times studying it hours a day, but I don't think you study it.
John chapter 8 verse 31,32
To the Jews who believed him Jesus said if you hold to my teaching you are really my disciples and you will know the truth and the truth will set you free.
If your going to use the law apply it to yourself otherwise your a hypocrite because you don't obey it, many people apply the law to other people and not themselves, and no one but Christ ever obeyed the law.

All who will enter into eternal lfe must keep the law. So says Jesus: Mat 19:
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Now tell us , Did Jesus not understand the bible, or is He to be disregarded?

 

[disciple1]

I'm not sure exactly what the OP is trying to get at, here?
We know that "all have sinned, and fallen short of the glory of God". All, would include every mother's child of us...it would include Frogster, it would include Disciple, and bbbbbbbb, and Elder, and me, and anyone else who has posted in this thread.
It would include every single one of the 260,000+ members of CF. It would include every single Christian in every single church all over the world....and every one who is not in church. It would include every single person in the world who is not a Christian as well. ALL have sinned...from the pope in the Vatican to the little old lady in the third pew with the little bald spot right there that your naughty kid keeps giggling at all through the sermon...right down to the beggar on the corner outside. ALL have sinned.
Do you understand what I am saying? We are all sinners.
Of course, no one comes to Christ through the law. If we were keeping the law, we wouldn't need Him, would we?

However, that doesn't mean that as Christians, we can behave any way we like, does it? Paul certainly does't teach such a lie...nor should we even imply such a thing.
We are under a New Covenant now...and a part of this New Covenant is that we have God's Holy Law written in our very hearts.

While it is true that the law is a stumbling stone to those who think to come to Jesus by it, it is also true that it is a stone that will crush all of those that it falls on...let's not forget part 2 of that statement.

1 Peter chapter 4 verse 8
8 Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.
Matthew chapter 25 verses 31-46
When the Son of Man comes" in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. he will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. Then the King will say to those on his right, Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me. then the righteous will answer him, Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and got visit you? The King will reply, I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me. Then he will say to those on his left, Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.They also will answer, Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you? He will reply, I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me. Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.

 

[Frogster]

I'm not sure exactly what the OP is trying to get at, here?
We know that "all have sinned, and fallen short of the glory of God". All, would include every mother's child of us...it would include Frogster, it would include Disciple, and bbbbbbbb, and Elder, and me, and anyone else who has posted in this thread.
It would include every single one of the 260,000+ members of CF. It would include every single Christian in every single church all over the world....and every one who is not in church. It would include every single person in the world who is not a Christian as well. ALL have sinned...from the pope in the Vatican to the little old lady in the third pew with the little bald spot right there that your naughty kid keeps giggling at all through the sermon...right down to the beggar on the corner outside. ALL have sinned.
Do you understand what I am saying? We are all sinners.
Of course, no one comes to Christ through the law. If we were keeping the law, we wouldn't need Him, would we?

However, that doesn't mean that as Christians, we can behave any way we like, does it? Paul certainly does't teach such a lie...nor should we even imply such a thing.
We are under a New Covenant now...and a part of this New Covenant is that we have God's Holy Law written in our very hearts.

While it is true that the law is a stumbling stone to those who think to come to Jesus by it, it is also true that it is a stone that will crush all of those that it falls on...let's not forget part 2 of that statement.

excuse me, but all i said was that if one tries to come to Christ, by law, he will stumble over Christ, all showing the impossibility of coming to Christ by law.

 

[Frogster]

All who will enter into eternal lfe must keep the law. So says Jesus: Mat 19:
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Now tell us , Did Jesus not understand the bible, or is He to be disregarded?

please this is not the same old issue thread, Does the OP prove that you can't come to Christ by law? A simple on topic reply will do.

 

[TheBarrd]

excuse me, but all i said was that if one tries to come to Christ, by law, he will stumble over Christ, all showing the impossibility of coming to Christ by law.

Well, of course, we cannot come to Christ by law.
I'm really not sure what you're trying to show us here.
Surely you are not saying that, once we have become Christ's, and we have the Spirit of God within us, we will not keep His law?
Or that we need not keep His law?
Please explain?

 

[Frogster]

Well, of course, we cannot come to Christ by law.
I'm really not sure what you're trying to show us here.
Surely you are not saying that, once we have become Christ's, and we have the Spirit of God within us, we will not keep His law?
Or that we need not keep His law?
Please explain?

i did explain, it is simple the way to Christ is not the law...

 

[TheBarrd]

i did explain, it is simple the way to Christ is not the law...

So what you are really saying is that Christians need not keep the commandments?

 

[TheBarrd]

Jeremiah 31-34
31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

But it isn't just Old Testament

Hebrews 8:8-
8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more

I don't know about you, but it looks a whole lot to me as if the Christian will have God's law written in his heart...which would seem to indicate that he is expected to keep that law.
What do you think?

 

[bugkiller]

Jeremiah 31-34
31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

But it isn't just Old Testament

Hebrews 8:8-
8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more

I don't know about you, but it looks a whole lot to me as if the Christian will have God's law written in his heart...which would seem to indicate that he is expected to keep that law.
What do you think?

Maybe you should read the passages you quote. Odd as it may seem to you the law written on the heart is not the 10 Cs. There are a few clues in your quoted passage such as new and not according to. Besides there is a change from covenant (law) to My law. If you care to read Acts you will find the Gentiles did not keep the 10 Cs especially the 4th. Read Romans about the Gentiles and law. It should interest you.

bugkiller

 

[Frogster]

So what you are really saying is that Christians need not keep the commandments?

well gosh..I made a simple point, is that allowed?

it shows that the law is not the way to Christ...please...lets stay calm, thanks, frog.

 

[TheBarrd]

Maybe you should read the passages you quote. Odd as it may seem to you the law written on the heart is not the 10 Cs. There are a few clues in your quoted passage such as new and not according to. Besides there is a change from covenant (law) to My law. If you care to read Acts you will find the Gentiles did not keep the 10 Cs especially the 4th. Read Romans about the Gentiles and law. It should interest you.

bugkiller

Ahh, I begin to see the problem, here.
This is about the sabbath right?
Whether or not Christians ought to keep the sabbath, is that what this thread is about?

 

[TheBarrd]

I suppose it's my own fault...I went looking for "new posts" and didn't really notice that I was in that section where folks get real emotional over a day of rest...
My bad...

 

[TheBarrd]

well gosh..I made a simple point, is that allowed?

it shows that the law is not the way to Christ...please...lets stay calm, thanks, frog.

I'm quite calm, actually.
Thank you for your concern...

But I am just a little confused.
Are you saying that a Christian need not keep the commandments?
Or is it just that one that is the problem?

 

[Frogster]

I'm quite calm, actually.
Thank you for your concern...

But I am just a little confused.
Are you saying that a Christian need not keep the commandments?
Or is it just that one that is the problem?

you keep asking what I am saying, the OP says what I am saying.

everyone knows may stance on the law, i fear no mortals in my replies, i fear not flesh or the concision, or anyone. Not saying you are that, but let this be understood.