My Graduate Challenge

[AirPo]

If you don't mind, I'll just address this one point in that I think it gets to the heart of the issue.

But I think YECs are strong in their faith in the sense that they fervently believe it to be the exclusive truth.

First, Loudmouth made a good point. It's not YECs in general, I should not have put it that way. It's creation scientists, or in other word, people who try to justify their creationist views with science, math, and/or logic.

That said, faith IMO, is not dependent upon truth. It stands alone. You don't need to prove it. To the point that trying to prove it is a sign of weakness. Thus, the the more fervently one tries to prove one's beliefs or establish the exclusivity of their truth, the greater the chance they faith is not up to the task of standing alone.

I hope that makes sense.

 

[essentialsaltes]

This is only one anecdatum, but this kid made it through at least the high school course.

"At the end of the unit on evolution, S.K. gave an exam. As she started grading the tests, she noticed that the student unhappy with evolution did really well. He knew the material and was able to display his knowledge effectively. But when she turned to the last page, she saw the words: “Confess your sins, repent, and you will be saved!”"

 

[AV1611VET]

I hope that makes sense.

Makes sense to me.

 

[AirPo]

Makes sense to me.

Thanks. I was actually thinking of you as shining example of faith as I wrote that.

 

[AV1611VET]

Thanks. I was actually thinking of you as shining example of faith as I wrote that.

WOW! Thank you!

 

[HitchSlap]

WOW! Thank you!

Faith, as in believing something you know ain't true.

 

[AV1611VET]

Faith, as in believing something you know ain't true.

More like faith, as in believing something, even when evidence says otherwise.

 

[bhsmte]

More like faith, as in believing something, even when evidence says otherwise.

I would agree with that.

I would add to that, it is also in believing in something; you really, really, really want to be true.

 

[HitchSlap]

More like faith, as in believing something, even when evidence says otherwise.

Right. That's what I said.

 

[AV1611VET]

Right. That's what I said.

No.

Evidence doesn't dictate what I "know ain't true."

If evidence says there was no global Flood, and I believe by faith there was, your definition is wrong.

 

[HitchSlap]

No.

Evidence doesn't dictate what I "know ain't true."

If evidence says there was no global Flood, and I believe by faith there was, your definition is wrong.

Right. You believe global flood, in spite of the evidence. Ergo, you're choosing to believe in something without evidence, (ie, you know ain't true).
It's ok though, you don't need to explain this to me, I understand.

 

[HitchSlap]

dp

 

[AV1611VET]

It's ok though, you don't need the explain how t to me, I understand.

I'll assume you understand it by faith then.

 

[HitchSlap]

I'll assume you understand it by faith then.

And why it's not the best way to lead your life.

(Assuming one values reality.)

 

[AV1611VET]

And why it's not the best way to lead your life.

Why?

This isn't Laos is it?

 

[HitchSlap]

Why?

This isn't Laos is it?

What isn't Laos?

 

[AV1611VET]

What isn't Laos?

This country isn't Laos is it?

You realize Laos is the #1 country where, in your words, '[faith] isn't the best way to lead your life.'

 

[HitchSlap]

This country isn't Laos is it?

You realize Laos is the #1 country where, in your words, '[faith] isn't the best way to lead your life.'

Way to obfuscate there, buddy.

 

[SnowyMacie]

I have a question for the OP: Why do have all of these challenges?

 

[AV1611VET]

I have a question for the OP: Why do have all of these challenges?

Keeps the pencil sharpened!

Proverbs 27:17a Iron sharpeneth iron;