My Graduate Challenge

[bhsmte]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religiosity_and_education#Positive_relationships

As I stated, there is a correlation between, higher education and less belief in YEC or creationist views. Since the OP was in regards to YEC, what is below applies to this group:

"Educational attainment is also related to these attitudes, with belief in the creationist perspective dropping from 57% among Americans with no more than a high school education to less than half that (27%) among those with a college degree. Those with college degrees are, accordingly, much more likely to choose one of the two evolutionary explanations."

http://www.gallup.com/poll/170822/believe-creationist-view-human-origins.aspx

As I stated, there is a correlation between, higher education and less belief in YEC or creationist views. Since the OP was in regards to YEC, what is below applies to this group:

"Educational attainment is also related to these attitudes, with belief in the creationist perspective dropping from 57% among Americans with no more than a high school education to less than half that (27%) among those with a college degree. Those with college degrees are, accordingly, much more likely to choose one of the two evolutionary explanations."

http://www.gallup.com/poll/170822/believe-creationist-view-human-origins.aspx

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

In your opinion, what are the chances of a YEC entering a secular college or university today and graduating as a YEC after getting a degree in life sciences?

I'd make a wild stab in the dark here and make a guess that 60% or more of those who start their college career as a YEC and take a degree with life sciences will, along with having earned their degree, changed their mind about evolution and the age of the earth to agree with the modern scientific understanding.

 

[crjmurray]

I'd make a wild stab in the dark here and make a guess that 60% or more of those who start their college career as a YEC and take a degree with life sciences will, along with having earned their degree, changed their mind about evolution and the age of the earth to agree with the modern scientific understanding.

Why 60%?

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Why 60%?

It's just a wild guess. Please, propose an alternate guess if you think your guesses are better than mine.

 

[crjmurray]

It's just a wild guess. Please, propose an alternate guess if you think your guesses are better than mine.

61%

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

61%

Oooooo - You know how to play the game of matching the hidden number well, don't you!

 

[crjmurray]

Oooooo - You know how to play the game of matching the hidden number well, don't you!

Yes. Therefore I win the challenge.

 

[Zosimus]

Why 60%?

Because 60 percent of all statistics posted on fora such as this one are made up at the time of posting.

 

[Zosimus]

Again I note that most people are inferring a causal relationship – that studying at university is more likely to make one disbelieve in YEC than the alternative hypothesis – that those who already believe in YEC are more likely to either major in things that reflect their world view (such as theology) or not attend university at all.

I realize, of course, that this reflects your world view (the idea that more educated and intelligent people have the opinion that you do), but this conclusion is uncertain in light of the information at hand.

 

[AirPo]

In your opinion, what are the chances of a YEC entering a secular college or university today and graduating as a YEC after getting a degree in life sciences?

In my opinion, YEC's are very weak in their faith. So the chances of graduating AND remaining YEC are very slim. The more likely scenario being either deciding to not continue with their studies, or not continue to hold YEC's views.

 

[Zosimus]

In my opinion, YEC's are very weak in their faith. So the chances of graduating AND remaining YEC are very slim. The more likely scenario being either deciding to not continue with their studies, or not continue to hold YEC's views.

Was your study of YECs randomized?
Did you use a control group?
In which peer-reviewed publication can I read your study?
Was your study blinded?
Were the results statistically significant?
Has anyone successfully reproduced your experiment?

 

[AV1611VET]

In my opinion, YEC's are very weak in their faith.

Kent Hovind being an exception?

 

[AirPo]

Kent Hovind being an exception?

Not even close.

 

[AV1611VET]

Not even close.

And yet he's a YEC that is very strong in his faith.

 

[AirPo]

And yet he's a YEC that is very strong in his faith.

He's neither.

 

[AV1611VET]

He's neither.

It's interesting Mr. Hovind claims he's a YEC, and I'm told he isn't; yet I claim I'm not a YEC, and I'm told I am.

This bears repeating:

We're anything but what's in our profiles.

 

[AirPo]

It's interesting Mr. Hovind claims he's a YEC, and I'm told he isn't; yet I claim I'm not a YEC, and I'm told I am.

This bears repeating:

We're anything but what's in our profiles.

Ironic, isn't it.

 

[bhsmte]

Again I note that most people are inferring a causal relationship – that studying at university is more likely to make one disbelieve in YEC than the alternative hypothesis – that those who already believe in YEC are more likely to either major in things that reflect their world view (such as theology) or not attend university at all.

I realize, of course, that this reflects your world view (the idea that more educated and intelligent people have the opinion that you do), but this conclusion is uncertain in light of the information at hand.

I completely agree. YEC's would be more likely to seek studies that are comforting to them and stay away from information that would cause them undue stress and cognitive dissonance, which is not pleasant. The fact remains though, people with college educations, are much less likely to have YEC beliefs.

If I believed the earth was flat, I would likely surround myself with whatever I could to support my beliefs and I would protect myself from all the information available, that could indicate my beliefs were wrong, with some really powerful defense mechanisms. Of course, with some people, they eventually cry uncle and the belief crumbles.

 

[bhsmte]

It's interesting Mr. Hovind claims he's a YEC, and I'm told he isn't; yet I claim I'm not a YEC, and I'm told I am.

This bears repeating:

We're anything but what's in our profiles.

What are Hovind's beliefs?

 

[AV1611VET]

What are Hovind's beliefs?

That he is a YEC.

And I think he does a good job defending it.

Whether he's right or wrong, he certainly merits the YEC badge, as well as the STRONG IN MY BELIEFS trophy.