Colter
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Some people argue you need faith in logic. It's said to be a primary assumption, you cant use logic to justify logic, that would be circular reasoning.
What about a computer, does that need faith in logic to operate? Also, "faith" what is it precisely? Is it said to be belief without evidence.
I think that the "faith-based" outlook may be flawed. Our subconsicous and unconscious mind are like computers running logical operations all the time. The very phenomenon of assuming an attitude of faith - or thinking "this is an axiom" etc implies a lot of pretty sophisticated presumptions - know them consciously or not.
So the claim of logic-faith is probably a falacy. Its like saying "I cant see my heath beating, therefore it doesnt exist".
Or "I need faith in this sentence, for it to actually be a sentence..."
Rather: the word "faith", "truth" and "sentence" must have meaning, for the claim 'the sentence "logic requires faith" ' to be true, or even considered rationally. Therefore theres a minimum of logic required for the faith-claim to be made in the first place.
The faith claim is like saying "this is not a sentence" or "I am not communicating" etc. Ok you can claim that, but you cant escape the heat-beat of truth.
The rest is not clever philosophy, its self deception.
In the Cartesian theatre, dont play the fool.
Thoughts?
I like this quote from the UB as it harmonizes the approach of faith and logic to reality:
"The union of the scientific attitude and the religious insight by the mediation of experiential philosophy is part of man's long Paradise-ascension experience. The approximations of mathematics and the certainties of insight will always require the harmonizing function of mind logic on all levels of experience short of the maximum attainment of the Supreme.
But logic can never succeed in harmonizing the findings of science and the insights of religion unless both the scientific and the religious aspects of a personality are truth dominated, sincerely desirous of following the truth wherever it may lead regardless of the conclusions which it may reach.
Logic is the technique of philosophy, its method of expression. Within the domain of true science, reason is always amenable to genuine logic; within the domain of true religion, faith is always logical from the basis of an inner viewpoint, even though such faith may appear to be quite unfounded from the inlooking viewpoint of the scientific approach. From outward, looking within, the universe may appear to be material; from within, looking out, the same universe appears to be wholly spiritual. Reason grows out of material awareness, faith out of spiritual awareness, but through the mediation of a philosophy strengthened by revelation, logic may confirm both the inward and the outward view, thereby effecting the stabilization of both science and religion. Thus, through common contact with the logic of philosophy, may both science and religion become increasingly tolerant of each other, less and less skeptical.
What both developing science and religion need is more searching and fearless self-criticism, a greater awareness of incompleteness in evolutionary status. The teachers of both science and religion are often altogether too self-confident and dogmatic. Science and religion can only be self-critical of their facts. The moment departure is made from the stage of facts, reason abdicates or else rapidly degenerates into a consort of false logic." UB 1955
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