Atheism describes a position on the belief in deities.
Agnosticism describes a position on whether one has knowledge of the existence of a deity.
Most theists are probably agnostic theists in that they believe in a deity, but they don't feel they can claim that they know that a specific deity exists.
What you were describing as "atheist" at first would be a gnostic atheist - someone who claims to know that no gods exist, whereas most of us are agnostic atheists - we claim no knowledge, just no belief.
Hi,
Wow.
I had no idea those definitions were there.
Of course at the time, I was near totally outside of that arena. I said near totally, becausse all Research of the Advanced kind, uses practical and proven Philosophical ideas. And it would be rather impossible to get correct answers without that. I say Advanced as opposed to normal research only to set aside the types of problems where it is to you, that the task is given to solve something no one in the world has solved before, as opposed to merely looking up what others have already done.
My position, is not relevant yet.
So, Atheism [to you or absolutely (which is it please?)], is a belief system concerning dieties. Is it the belief that one or multiple gods do not exist? Or is some other defintion of belief in dieties that it refers to?
Is Atheism as you describe it the esoteric definition? And if it is, is there a common definition. The reason I ask, is I usually use the defintion of my audience and not my own personal one, unless I am teaching. Here and now, I am the student.
Agnosticism describes a position on whether one has knowledge of the existence of a diety. Now my position is relavent. (Also I have never ever heard of this clear definition. What school of thought?, what trade?, is this used this way? [Yes, I will be embarassed, but must take that, if it is the actual normal definition.])
So, my position in the definition of Agnosticism, is that I know God exists, I know Who He Is, I also know much about What He Is. Where does that fit, within the range of Agnostic categories. What would I be called in Agnosticism?
OH! Forget my question. As I am working here, line by line, like a student, I now come across the word set of agnostic theist. You have explained that clearly.
Then in your next paragraph, you talk about my real definition, the way it really is, rather than the word choices I used. You are saying my usage of the word atheist, being only that one can state that there is no possibility that a god exists out there who is responsible for all of this, should actually be gnostic atheist. Thus, can I extract gnostic here to mean, that it means no gods, no god or no possibility of god or gods?
And you say, that an agnostic atheist [again from what esoteric field please], ...Oh. This is tough. Gnostic means knowledge to you. Agnostic means without knowledge to you. This is hard morphing over to these definitions.
Gnostic=knowledge
Agnostic=no knowledge
Theist=god believer
Atheist=unbelief in god/gods
Ah! So I am a Gnostic Theist. Wow. This is going to be fun now. So assuming I made at the end, that I made no errors calibrating my speech to yours {learning from you}, then I am up to speed, [maybe] in your field on those words, and I am grateful to you for that.
I am a Gnostic Theist. Is that correct?
A question. If based on the scientific controlled experiments, which so far have stood up to all peer reviews [all scientists who do what I did get the exact same results], is Gnostic still the word to use?
I had thought Gnostic always implied eliteist knowledge that is restricted to a chosen few. If your postion is that I am a Theist, (from the results only, of controlled experiments [And the prepatory work to be able to do those experiments]), is Gnostic the word to use for the way I found that knowledged. Am I a Gnsotic under the definition of that word still?
LOVE,
...Mary., .... .
